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Berserker1921 wrote:What if Vegeta and Goku stayed fused at Vegito. During battle of gods; how long do you think vegito would have lasted against Beerus? And let's say they turn him into a god. Would he have been stronger then beerus?
Most believe that if Gotenks can turn Ssj3 than so can Vegetto. Beerus was heavily suppressed against Goku Ssj3 & Goku Ssj3 estimated Beerus would stomp a hypothetical BoG Vegetto Ssj3. Goku turns into a SSJG and during his initial transformation, he remarks the power as so great that he's having a hard time comprehending it, despite being able to comprehend a suppressed Beerus & Vegetto Ssj3. Beerus & Goku SSJG than power up even further...
If Frieza was assassinated prior to the Namek Saga who runs his empire before King Cold steps in to sort everything out? For the sake of argument, Cooler, Abo and Cado exist in this universe.
Berserker1921 wrote:What if Vegeta and Goku stayed fused at Vegito. During battle of gods; how long do you think vegito would have lasted against Beerus? And let's say they turn him into a god. Would he have been stronger then beerus?
If the 2008 Jump Special happen then Vegito would go to King Kai to look for Tarble. Vegito finds Tarble and sends him to Earth then uses him to become a SSjG. Vegito would end up beating Beerus and Beerus promises that he won't try to destroy the Earth again. Freeza got stronger because he found out that Goku beat Buu. If Freeza found out that Goku and Vegeta fuse together then he might train longer and become stronger. Maybe Freeza after one year of training can put up a fight against SSjGSSj Vegito.
soduh2 wrote:If Freeza was assassinated prior to the Namek Saga who runs his empire before King Cold steps in to sort everything out? For the sake of argument, Cooler, Abo and Cado exist in this universe.
If cooler did exist he hated his brother. So he might have been involved with his death. While abo and cado would hunt down the people who murdered him. Cold would demand justice. If let's say Goku and Vegeta killed him then they go hunting for them. I am sure cooler wouldn't allow it for it would expose his intentions.
Or cooler has nothing to do with it an hunts them down because of his father. He, abo, cado would go to earth to find Goku and Vegeta. They would fight and possibly become allies against his father. King cold.
This what-if is probably worthy of a fanfiction answer:
What if Dr. Gero was part of the tuffle army before and at the time the saiyans attacked, and had full access to their technological resources? Assume he spent years analyzing his saiyan neighbors and building androids or weapons in case they ever attempted anything. Would the saiyans still win? If not, would Frieza's relation with the tuffles be similar to what he had with the saiyans? Could Dr. Gero manipulate Frieza into trusting him, and eventually take him down?
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"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
Berserker1921 wrote:What if Vegeta and Goku stayed fused at Vegito. During battle of gods; how long do you think vegito would have lasted against Beerus? And let's say they turn him into a god. Would he have been stronger then beerus?
If the 2008 Jump Special happen then Vegito would go to King Kai to look for Tarble. Vegito finds Tarble and sends him to Earth then uses him to become a SSjG. Vegito would end up beating Beerus and Beerus promises that he won't try to destroy the Earth again. Freeza got stronger because he found out that Goku beat Buu. If Freeza found out that Goku and Vegeta fuse together then he might train longer and become stronger. Maybe Freeza after one year of training can put up a fight against SSjGSSj Vegito.
Evidently, no matter what Freeza does, he will never be stronger than Beerus. This is according to Toriyama. And it's possible that Golden Freeza is already the height of his prodigal powers, and all he can do at this point is reduce the stamina strain.
Berserker1921 wrote:What if Vegeta and Goku stayed fused at Vegito. During battle of gods; how long do you think vegito would have lasted against Beerus? And let's say they turn him into a god. Would he have been stronger then beerus?
If the 2008 Jump Special happen then Vegito would go to King Kai to look for Tarble. Vegito finds Tarble and sends him to Earth then uses him to become a SSjG. Vegito would end up beating Beerus and Beerus promises that he won't try to destroy the Earth again. Freeza got stronger because he found out that Goku beat Buu. If Freeza found out that Goku and Vegeta fuse together then he might train longer and become stronger. Maybe Freeza after one year of training can put up a fight against SSjGSSj Vegito.
Evidently, no matter what Freeza does, he will never be stronger than Beerus. This is according to Toriyama. And it's possible that Golden Freeza is already the height of his prodigal powers, and all he can do at this point is reduce the stamina strain.
It could be taken like that, or it could mean at the moment since as of that point he's far outclassed and can't do anything. If it truly is the former, than Beerus really will come off as a creators pet.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
If Freeza can't beat Beerus then Vegito won't need SSjGSSj to beat Golden Freeza. I think his base form would be strong enough to beat it after becoming a god.
fadeddreams5 wrote:This what-if is probably worthy of a fanfiction answer:
What if Dr. Gero was part of the tuffle army before and at the time the saiyans attacked, and had full access to their technological resources? Assume he spent years analyzing his saiyan neighbors and building androids or weapons in case they ever attempted anything. Would the saiyans still win? If not, would Freeza's relation with the tuffles be similar to what he had with the saiyans? Could Dr. Gero manipulate Freeza into trusting him, and eventually take him down?
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If gero existed and was part of the tuffle army. They would be unstoppable. I mean look what he did. He created three androids that were leagues above goku ssj. And that was even before he even knew of that power. He created cell as his master piece. Imagine if he knew of the super sayians. He would have created androids that we're way way way stronger then what we got.
Also if you count gt. thanks to the tuffle tech he could make an android who would be as strong as super 17 with tuffle tech and his brain. He wouldn't need to convince Frieza; he would destroy him. The only people who could defeat him would be beerus and Whis. However who knows gero is a hyper genius and with tuffle tech. His potential is unlimited.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:What if Jaco took his senzu in RF?
On the topic of bad movies, can someone please tell me what "faff" stands for?
Beerus or Whis have to save the day to save their food. Or maybe this wakes up Vegeta as he sees his rival dying and possibly die. Then Vegeta would finish Frieza quickly and not waste time
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How powerful would piccolo become if he merged with all the namekians.Including lord slug and guru? Yes I know dbm has a character like this. But how powerful would piccolo be personally? Since he was a stronger warrior then most namekians in the first place. Could he be a challenge to Beerus?
What if Pure Buu was a few seconds too late, and Mr. Buu turned him into chocolate and ate him? Would he go back to his Super Buu incarnation, except "nice" this time because his good side is dominant? If so, how would that affect things? Would he even change at all? Would he just become Fat Buu again instead of Super Buu? If so, how would that affect things?
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
RandomGuy96 wrote:What if Pure Buu was a few seconds too late, and Mr. Buu turned him into chocolate and ate him? Would he go back to his Super Buu incarnation, except "nice" this time because his good side is dominant? If so, how would that affect things? Would he even change at all? Would he just become Fat Buu again instead of Super Buu? If so, how would that affect things?
Confusing question: are you talking about Pure Evil Boo or Pure Boo? I'll reply to both:
- Mr. Boo would simply become complete as (Fat) Majin Boo, because the former is already part Pure Boo, but with Dai Kaioshin absorbed. Pure Evil Boo or Pure Boo (w/ South Kaioshin absorbed) would provide him the evil power that he had expelled, so that Majin Boo could tap onto it. There's no instance where (Super) Evil Boo becomes good, hence the name.
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What if Dende assimilated Piccolo into his own being? How strong and capable would the Dragon Balls be?
What if Dende assimilated Piccolo into his own being? How strong and capable would the Dragon Balls be?
If the creators power is all that determines the strength of the balls, then Dende fusing with Piccolo would make them thousands of times stronger than Porunga.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
soduh2 wrote:If Freeza was assassinated prior to the Namek Saga who runs his empire before King Cold steps in to sort everything out? For the sake of argument, Cooler, Abo and Cado exist in this universe.
If cooler did exist he hated his brother. So he might have been involved with his death. While abo and cado would hunt down the people who murdered him. Cold would demand justice. If let's say Goku and Vegeta killed him then they go hunting for them. I am sure cooler wouldn't allow it for it would expose his intentions.
Or cooler has nothing to do with it an hunts them down because of his father. He, abo, cado would go to earth to find Goku and Vegeta. They would fight and possibly become allies against his father. King cold.
Idk
The implication was that Freeza's killer could not be found, and he possibly died via nontraditional means. Goku and Vegeta are unchanged in this hypothetical situation. Who runs Freeza's empire?
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:What if someone finally told me what "faff" stands for?
People already have. Faff stands for Fukkatsu no F and it's slang for "a waste of time". The movie is generally regarded as basically filler, hence the term.
