The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:53 pm

Zombie wrote:
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ahill1 wrote:Yamcha (Boz) crushes Tenshinhan (22nd TB); I have

Tenshinhan (22nd TB) 70
Yamcha (Boz) 177
I personally put Yamcha at 190. Krillin just under 200, maybe 198.
Also, 22nd TB Tenshinhan was confirmed to be at 180, same for Jackie Chun and Goku who have roughly the same PL.

I don't see Yamcha remaining the same power level for the entire 5 years. He could have still trained, we don't know.
Not exactly. He is confirmed at 139 in D7 and his 180 BP from WJ can be when he's using a Kamehameha or his Buff form.
Except we see Roshi and Tien fighting evenly in the 22nd TB. Unless everyone is just much lower in the 22nd, somehow?
It's also implied that he had a power gain for the 22nd TB, he was stronger than in the 21st TB.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:49 pm

LonelyShadow wrote:Broly (movie 10) vs Good Buu

Toei SSJ3 Goku (movie 13) vs Buutenks

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Post by Galan007 » Sat Aug 15, 2015 6:19 pm

LonelyShadow wrote:Toei SSJ3 Goku (movie 13) vs Buutenks
WotD SSJ3 Goku seemed to do better against Hirudegarn than SSJ3 Gotenks and Shin Gohan. So he [Goku] *might* be around Bootenks-level--though I'd still give Boo the nod. Additionally, Goku lacks the means to kill and/or incapacitate Boo--I don't think the Dragon Fist would be capable of doing so, and Boo most certainly would not just sit there and allow Goku to manifest a universal Genki Dama.

That said, Boo would win. Even IF their powers were equal, Boo still possesses ∞ stamina, while Goku obviously does not(his stamina limitations are even more pronounced as a SSJ3.)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sat Aug 15, 2015 6:19 pm

Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:
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Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:
I personally put Yamcha at 190. Krillin just under 200, maybe 198.
Also, 22nd TB Tenshinhan was confirmed to be at 180, same for Jackie Chun and Goku who have roughly the same PL.

I don't see Yamcha remaining the same power level for the entire 5 years. He could have still trained, we don't know.
Not exactly. He is confirmed at 139 in D7 and his 180 BP from WJ can be when he's using a Kamehameha or his Buff form.
Except we see Roshi and Tenshinhan fighting evenly in the 22nd TB. Unless everyone is just much lower in the 22nd, somehow?
It's also implied that he had a power gain for the 22nd TB, he was stronger than in the 21st TB.
Tenshinhan wasn't going all out.

What about the power gain? I see nothing wrong with that and his official 139 BP, he was way weaker in the 21st TB.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Doctor. » Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:23 pm

First form Demigra vs Ultimate Gohan
First form Demigra (after eating Tokitoki) vs Base Goku (F)
Final Form Demigra vs Super Yi Xing Long
Final form Demigra vs Golden Freeza
Mira vs SS3 Goku

Mind control is off.

So, I'm trying to figure out how powerful Demigra is. We know he can control beings as powerful as Ultimate Gohan, but even Babidi can control Dabra. Also, if you mod the game and make Demigra playable, and you put him up against Gohan, he sounds very afraid of Gohan's strength (at least in the english dub, no idea about the japanese). He also fights Super Yi Xing Long with confidence, but that may just be because he can control him since he doesn't have Godly Ki (but neither does Gohan). When you actually face the *real* Demigra in game, though, he's able to defeat a SS3 Goku with godly Ki absorbed, so I'm not really sure where to put him strength-wise. I know it's not wise to try and make sense of the game, since SS1 Trunks was able to impress Beerus and Whis after all, but it's always fun.

Also:
Second-form Freeza (F) vs Ultimate Gohan
Third-form Freeza (F) vs Super Vegetto

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Captain Space » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:36 pm

Doctor. wrote: So, I'm trying to figure out how powerful Demigra is. We know he can control beings as powerful as Ultimate Gohan, but even Babidi can control Dabra. Also, if you mod the game and make Demigra playable, and you put him up against Gohan, he sounds very afraid of Gohan's strength (at least in the english dub, no idea about the japanese). He also fights Super Yi Xing Long with confidence, but that may just be because he can control him since he doesn't have Godly Ki (but neither does Gohan). When you actually face the *real* Demigra in game, though, he's able to defeat a SS3 Goku with godly Ki absorbed, so I'm not really sure where to put him strength-wise. I know it's not wise to try and make sense of the game, since SS1 Trunks was able to impress Beerus and Whis after all, but it's always fun.
From the character levels they give, it seems his first form is equal to 70% Beerus (when he interferes with Goku vs. Beerus, he has the same level as Beerus), and his final form is like a Super Trunks version of that; stronger but slower.

Mira is between fat Buu and Super Buu I think, given the placement of the final fight with him when he actually goes all-out against you.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:52 pm

I would put Demigra between Beerus and Godku. He manages to take out BOG Era Goku pretty easily, yet he's wary of facing Beerus head-on.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:54 pm

Doctor. wrote: Second-form Freeza (F) vs Ultimate Gohan
Third-form Freeza (F) vs Super Vegetto
I'll just post my numbers:

SSJ Vegetto: 450,000,000,000
Ultimate Gohan: 150,000,000,000

Freeza [3rd suppression]: 53,000,000,000
Freeza [2nd suppression]: 120,000,000,000
Freeza [1st suppression]: 180,000,000,000
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Post by supercat » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:01 pm

LonelyShadow wrote:SSGSS Vegeta (That's my Bulma!) vs Omega Shenron.
With the rage boost, he'll incinerate the Shadow Dragon. Without it, he'll either lose, or manage to beat the dragon down to a draw. The way I see it, if SSJ Vegetto really was in fact on par with SSJ4 Goku, Omega's probably a tad bit weaker than Golden Frieza. On the contrary, if we decide to shower SSJ4 with generosity, and put him a few tiers above Vegetto, then the Shadow Dragon either rivals the golden tyrant, or marginally surpasses him.
Doctor. wrote:Also:
Second-form Freeza (F) vs Ultimate Gohan
Third-form Freeza (F) vs Super Vegetto
Second-form Freeza (F) vs Ultimate Gohan
-The emperor of evil probably takes this with moderate levels of difficulty at the most.

Third-form Freeza (F) vs Super Vegetto
-Seems like this would be a pretty good matchup. I'm inclined to believe that Frieza has a slight advantage in power, so with his ruthless tendencies, and his desire to wipe every Saiyan out of existence, he should be able to give the once unrivaled warrior a darn good beating.

Upgrade this to Final Form Frieza (FnF), and we'll have a one-shotted Vegetto in a matter of seconds.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Darkron2151 » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:15 pm

Been a while since I posted but.....
  • Super Saiyan King Vegeta vs. Freeza (First Form/Namek)

    Super Saiyan Raditz vs. Ginyu Force (Excluding Ginyu)

    Super Saiyan Vegeta (Beginning of Namek Saga) vs. Freeza (Second Form/Namek)

    Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta and Super Saiyan 2 Trunks (Cell Games) vs. Full Power Perfect Cell (If one-sided in the Saiyans' favor, then "Super" Perfect Cell)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:25 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:
  • Super Saiyan King Vegeta vs. Freeza (First Form/Namek)

    Super Saiyan Raditz vs. Ginyu Force (Excluding Ginyu)

    Super Saiyan Vegeta (Beginning of Namek Saga) vs. Freeza (Second Form/Namek)

    Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta and Super Saiyan 2 Trunks (Cell Games) vs. Full Power Perfect Cell (If one-sided in the Saiyans' favor, then "Super" Perfect Cell)
  • I'd peg King Vegeta at 12,000. 12k x 50 = 600k > 530k = 1st form Freeza. The King wins.

    Raditz = 1,250 x 50 = 62.5k. Ginyu estimated a power level of 60k was enough to beat Reacoom, Butta, and Jeice. Raditz wins, especially if you go with that 1,500 figure.

    24k x 50 = 1,200,000. I have 2nd form Freeza higher than that, and at this point Super Saiyan wouldn't be mastered and thus straining Vegeta. Freeza wins.

    Perfect Cell is enough to solo both. Super Perfect Cell is gruesome overkill.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:29 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:Super Saiyan King Vegeta vs. Freeza (First Form/Namek)
Initially an equal fight at the start. Of course King Vegeta could become an oozaru because of his tail and stomp Frieza.
Darkron2151 wrote:Super Saiyan Raditz vs. Ginyu Force (Excluding Ginyu)
If Recoome, Jheece and Burter work together they probably come up with a plan to overpower Raditz. Individually they don't stand a chance. With Burter less than 50k they have to group up on him. Guldo instantly gets killed when he attempts to stop time, Super Saiyans are too fast.
Darkron2151 wrote:Super Saiyan Vegeta (Beginning of Namek Saga) vs. Freeza (Second Form/Namek)
The beginning of the fight is pretty heated, but eventually Frieza gains the upperhand, since there is a 200k to 300k difference in their PL's (2nd form Frieza can power up a bit)
Darkron2151 wrote:Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta and Super Saiyan 2 Trunks (Cell Games) vs. Full Power Perfect Cell (If one-sided in the Saiyans' favor, then "Super" Perfect Cell)
Far from one sided. I put SSJ2 Vegeta and Trunks about equal to 100% Perfect Cell. But this is pretty much opinion I guess.
Long fight. Vegeta gains little headway, Trunks jumps in and they both overpower Cell.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:33 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:Been a while since I posted but.....
  • Super Saiyan King Vegeta vs. Freeza (First Form/Namek)

    Super Saiyan Raditz vs. Ginyu Force (Excluding Ginyu)

    Super Saiyan Vegeta (Beginning of Namek Saga) vs. Freeza (Second Form/Namek)

    Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta and Super Saiyan 2 Trunks (Cell Games) vs. Full Power Perfect Cell (If one-sided in the Saiyans' favor, then "Super" Perfect Cell)
-Well if King Vegeta was really at 10,000, then hypothetically, he would still fall short of Frieza's whopping 530,000. I doubt the latter would have stamina issues in his first form, but that would basically be the only way for the former to score a win.

-Barring cheap tactics like freezing time, Raditz blitzes through each member with relative ease. I have each Ginyu at 40,000 (a notch lower than Nail). Even on the low end of the spectrum, Raditz would be sporting a power level of 60,000, which was basically implied to be enough to utterly humiliate the Ginyus (excluding Ginyu).

-I'd say Vegeta has a darn good chance of taking this, as he would probably end up somewhere in the neighborhood of 1,200,000. Although Second Form Frieza was stated to be over 1 million, I doubt it was by a substantial amount. That said, in no shape or form, would this be a walk in the park for Vegeta.

-The father-son duo would crush the biological android without much difficulty. I know FPSSJ Gohan was a league above his allies even prior to emerging as an SSJ2, but his gap over Cell seemed so high that if either Vegeta or Trunks became SSJ2, they would presumably fall somewhere in between.

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Post by ZombieVito » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:34 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:Been a while since I posted but.....
  • Super Saiyan King Vegeta vs. Freeza (First Form/Namek)

    Super Saiyan Raditz vs. Ginyu Force (Excluding Ginyu)

    Super Saiyan Vegeta (Beginning of Namek Saga) vs. Freeza (Second Form/Namek)

    Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta and Super Saiyan 2 Trunks (Cell Games) vs. Full Power Perfect Cell (If one-sided in the Saiyans' favor, then "Super" Perfect Cell)
SSJ King Vegeta: 500,000
Freeza: 530,000

Very close match but I still give this to Freeza. He should have way more skilled than King Vegeta.

SSJ Raditz: 75,000
Jeice: 45,000
Burter: 44,000
Recoome: 42,000
Guldo: 10,000

This is a stomp. The gap is way to big. Raditz murders everyone.

SSJ Vegeta: 1,200,000
Freeza: 1,200,000

My gut is telling me Vegeta will win after an amazing fight.

SSJ2 Vegeta/ SSJ2 Trunks: 4,000,000,000
Perfect Cell: 5,000,000,000

They should manage something if they work together well. Cell's regeneration makes this very hard though.

I give this to Cell.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:24 am

Doctor. wrote:First form Demigra vs Ultimate Gohan
First form Demigra (after eating Tokitoki) vs Base Goku (F)
Final Form Demigra vs Super Yi Xing Long
Final form Demigra vs Golden Freeza
Demigra wins the first 3 fights, but loses to Freeza. Demigra defeated SbG SS3 Goku, but he was weaker than Beerus. I'll place him below Freeza because Freeza came after him. I also have SSG Goku above SS4 Gogeta, so Demigra should be stronger than Super Yi Xing Long.
Mira vs SS3 Goku
Mira was going to attack both Goku & Boo, so I think he is stronger than Goku.
Second-form Freeza (F) vs Ultimate Gohan
Freeza easily defeats him in his First Form. Gohan didn't feel angry with himself for being weaker, meaning that if he was Ultimate, it wouldn't make a difference.
Third-form Freeza (F) vs Super Vegetto
Vegetto is stronger IMO, so he wins.
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Post by Sayo-chan » Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:42 am

Third form Freeza VS. 2nd to last form Coola
-Equal battle powers.
-No further transformations.

Meta Coola Army VS. King Cold, Freeza, Freeza's Main Army (Including Ginyu Force)
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:49 am

Sayo-chan wrote:Third form Freeza VS. 2nd to last form Coola
-Equal battle powers.
-No further transformations.

Meta Coola Army VS. King Cold, Freeza, Freeza's Main Army (Including Ginyu Force)
Cooler. He seems to be more competent than Freeza.

As for your second matchup, one Metal Cooler could handle them. And entire army is one of the biggest roflstomps I've seen in this thread.
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Post by Doctor. » Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:01 am

Metal Coola army (along with Freeza) comes to Earth in F instead of Freeza's army. How does the fight go?

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Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:45 am

Doctor. wrote:Metal Coola army (along with Freeza) comes to Earth in F instead of Freeza's army. How does the fight go?
The humans & Jaco last for a while but they get smashed fairly quickly with Roshi bitting the dust first. Piccolo and Gohan survive long enough finish the mecha army but then potentially die if Freeza decides to toy around with them. With no one there to raise their Ki's as a signal flare, Goku & Vegeta don't get back in time and the Earth's left a barren wasteland by the time Whis gets them there. Seeing all this, Vegeta and Goku lose their s*it and team up to maul Freeza immediately before teleporting to New Namek and wishing everyone back.

EDIT: Oh and if Freeza destroys the ice cream promised by Bulma and Beerus decides to tag along for the ride to Earth, he probably losses his s*it too and helps out in murdering Freeza with Goku and Vegeta.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Lunatic Fringe » Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:29 pm

Time for some more Marvel vs. DB:

Iron Fist vs. Drum
Dr. Doom(not allowed to use magic) vs. SSJ2 Goku
Captain Marvel vs. Kaioshin
Rhino vs. Nam
Colossus vs. Kami

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