Just how old is King Cold?

[LuckyCat]

In RoF, Freeza says there were 2 people his father (Cold) warned him about: Beerus and Majin Buu.

Okay. But wait, wasn't Majin Buu sealed away thousands of years ago when humans began to walk on two legs? Since King Cold knows about Majin Buu, would that make King Cold thousands of years old, maybe older, if he was alive when Majin Buu was created?

[Marco Polo]

Freeza wasn't alive when the original Super Saiyan transformed, was he?

Cold has an Empire that spans across the galaxy; he obviously learned about Buu through legends and lore from various planets.

[LuckyCat]

Cold has an Empire that spans across the galaxy; he obviously learned about Buu through legends and lore from various planets.

That's something I considered, but how much of a believer would Cold be in mere legends? He didn't appear to be as interested in even the legendary Super Saiyan like Freeza was. Also, there isn't any material which explains how long-lived Freeza-like species are, so it's possible a few of the greats could have lived for quite awhile.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Since King Cold knows about Majin Buu, would that make King Cold thousands of years old, maybe older, if he was alive when Majin Buu was created?

I know about Alexander the Great, but I didn't live in his time.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I made a thread about this before. Basically asking how King Cold could know about Buu. I never considered the idea that he was so old he was around during Buu's rampage.

[LuckyCat]

I know about Alexander the Great, but I didn't live in his time.

Sure, but do you warn your kids about challenging Alexander the Great?

I made a thread about this before. Basically asking how King Cold could know about Buu. I never considered the idea that he was so old he was around during Buu's rampage.

Why not, though? I guess another explanation is something similar to Episode of Bardock happened but with Majin Buu, and Cold's family keeps good records.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I know about Alexander the Great, but I didn't live in his time.

Sure, but do you warn your kids about challenging Alexander the Great?

No, because Alexander The Great is a mortal man, and he is dead. Majin Boo is a magical being that has been alive since time immemorial, and I doubt Cold knows anything about the whole Kaioshin incident.

[LuckyCat]

Majin Boo is a magical being that has been alive since time immemorial, and I doubt Cold knows anything about the whole Kaioshin incident.

Well if we follow just the manga, it appears that Bibidi created Majin Buu thousands of years ago. If Babidi is actually the son of Bibidi, Babidi's race must be extremely long-lived as well. Why could King Cold not also be so?

[Galan007]

That's something I considered, but how much of a believer would Cold be in mere legends? He didn't appear to be as interested in even the legendary Super Saiyan like Freeza was. Also, there isn't any material which explains how long-lived Freeza-like species are, so it's possible a few of the greats could have lived for quite awhile.

Freeza had never seen a Super Saiyan firsthand, but that didn't stop him from fearing Saiyan potential nonetheless.

I can only assume the legends/lore Cold had heard about Majin Boo over the years struck the same type of fear in him. /shrug

[Birusu16]

King Cold doesn't exactly have to be old to know about Buu. Freeza never personally saw a SSJ yet was fearful of the Saiyans because of the myth he heard about it. It could very well be the same with King Cold and Buu. He heard horrific tales of the creatures destructive rampage and became very fearful of him despite never personally meeting him.

[Lord Beerus]

If King Cold knew very well about Majin Boo and Beerus, he'd have to be at least a few hundred thousand years old.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Majin Boo is a magical being that has been alive since time immemorial, and I doubt Cold knows anything about the whole Kaioshin incident.

Well if we follow just the manga, it appears that Bibidi created Majin Buu thousands of years ago. If Babidi is actually the son of Bibidi, Babidi's race must be extremely long-lived as well. Why could King Cold not also be so?

Bibidi started using Boo 5 million years before the events of the series, and Boo was sealed at the same time period, so if Cold had seen him, he has to be that old. I see no reason to assume that his race lives for so long, since there is nothing supernatural about them, while Bibidi & Babidi are supernatural beings.

Also, if you take EoB into account, Cold or someone else from Freeza's clan apparently warned him about the legendary Super Saiyan, thanks to Chilled. Would that mean that Cold or whoever from the clan had met SS Bardock?

If King Cold knew very well about Majin Boo and Beerus, he'd have to be at least a few hundred thousand years old.

He would have to be at least 5 million years old. And nothing says that he knew very well about them.

[Lord Beerus]

If King Cold knew very well about Majin Boo and Beerus, he'd have to be at least a few hundred thousand years old.

He would have to be at least 5 million years old. And nothing says that he knew very well about them.

But if King Cold knew that Majin Boo and Beerus were just that much stronger than his son, he must have been keeping tabs on them for quite some time if he was able to get a proper gauge of how strong the two of them were in comparison to his own know to know full well enough that Freeza would be no match for them and advise him to stay out of their path.

[Pantalones]

But if King Cold knew that Majin Boo and Beerus were just that much stronger than his son, he must have been keeping tabs on them for quite some time if he was able to get a proper gauge of how strong the two of them were in comparison to his own know to know full well enough that Freeza would be no match for them and advise him to stay out of their path.

If he'd heard stories of the destruction Buu and Beerus are capable of, it's entirely possible he heard about them destroying stars or entire solar systems at some point rather than just planets. If he knows that his son's destructive capacity doesn't reach nearly that far, that would be enough to get a pretty good idea of how badly outmatched Freeza would be against either of them. It'd be like Master Roshi or beginning-of-Z Piccolo, knowing that he's capable of blowing up the moon with one blast, hearing stories about Freeza blowing up planets and (correctly) assuming that he'd have no chance against him despite having never seen or felt his power directly.

And on top of just hearing the stories, Freeza and/or Cold might have actually met Beerus, considering that Beerus visited the Saiyans during the reign of King Vegeta, when Prince Vegeta was already alive (and thus when Freeza was already in charge of the Saiyans.) Maybe he smacked Freeza or his dad around a bit like he did with King Vegeta at some point.

[LuckyCat]

Bibidi started using Boo 5 million years before the events of the series, and Boo was sealed at the same time period, so if Cold had seen him, he has to be that old. I see no reason to assume that his race lives for so long, since there is nothing supernatural about them, while Bibidi & Babidi are supernatural beings.

That sounds like a daizenshuu number so I wouldn't put too much faith in it. But it's even harder to swallow that King Cold would care about something that happened in a legend 5 million years ago and hasn't been active since.

Also, since when are Bibidi and Babidi supernatural? They're mortal magicians who control the supernatural.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That sounds like a daizenshuu number so I wouldn't put too much faith in it.

It does come from the Daizenshuu, but they calculated this from the information from the manga. Kaioshin says that Boo was created by Bibidi (turns out his information on this were incorrect, Boo existed from before that and wasn't created by Bibidi) when the Earthlings started walking in 2 legs, and the 5 million years match with the development of the homo sapiens in real-life.

But it's even harder to swallow that King Cold would care about something that happened in a legend 5 million years ago and hasn't been active since.

Boo was supposed to fall into a long sleep, then wake up & destroy stuff, then fall to sleep again, and repeat, and he has been doing that since time immemorial. It's possible (and most likely IMO) that Cold didn't know about Bibidi taking control of him, and that he got sealed, so he just assumed that he was sleeping and who knows when he would wake up again.

And even though all these don't come from the manga but recently from Toriyama, even if you ignore them, you can't ignore the fact that Toriyama wrote FnF with these stuff in his mind.

Also, since when are Bibidi and Babidi supernatural? They're mortal magicians who control the supernatural.

They are magicians, which makes them supernatural. Babidi is even a doppleganger of Bibidi that he created through his magic.

[Polyphase Avatron]

The best theory I heard was that Beerus told King Cold and Freeza about Buu. However that doesn't explain why Beerus doesn't recognize Buu in BoG and Super.

Although another possibility is that Whis was the one who told King Cold and Freeza about Buu.

[Kamiccolo9]

Well, he was a merry old soul. So I guess we should decide, relatively, what old means.

[LuckyCat]

They are magicians, which makes them supernatural. Babidi is even a doppleganger of Bibidi that he created through his magic.

Okay I'm pretty sure you're making that up, and this doesn't explain why aliens can't also live a long time.

The best theory I heard was that Beerus told King Cold and Freeza about Buu. However that doesn't explain why Beerus doesn't recognize Buu in BoG and Super.

Although another possibility is that Whis was the one who told King Cold and Freeza about Buu.

I could see that. Maybe Beerus only knows Buu by reputation but has never met him.

[KameRule]

You'd think that he'd be a bit smarter for having lived for thousands of years, considering how he died...