New "Remastered Box Set" Information

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:02 pm

Well I know the dutch airing of DBZ uses the U.S DBZ dub music, and also this other country that I'm not sure of airs the U.S DBZ dub and uses the Japanese BGM in it... see the youtube link below to hear what it sounds like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmKeTcurZgI

I suppose that's what to expect when you get the original soundtrack with dubbed voices for the remastered boxsets releaced by Funimation.

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:17 pm

LOL this was the (crappy) German version. And of course "we" had the original BGM. ALL version except the Ocean and the FUNi versions, had the original BGM.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:32 pm

On day, one of two things will happen:

1) I'll be in Japan and can get DBZ DVDs on a regular basis without having to go through a website I can't quite read yet.

2) I'll wake up from this weird dream and Pioneer/Geneon will have the rights to DBZ in America.

Sure, I'm still "in the middle" on buying them or not, but I certainly know of better releases provided I can find and afford them.

GI_Judd2287 · Post by **GI_Judd2287** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:28 pm

I probably won't be buying it since I have all of the comic. But if you're a fan of the cartoon, I think it would be somewhat foolish to pass up on this. It will probably be the best way to watch the show for a long time. True, Funimation could do a lot better. But that doesn't mean what they're selling is a bad thing.

Not to mention that at $49.98 it's a great deal (especially comapred to what we got in the past).

I didn't hear this many people complaining when they cropped the movies for the Dragon Box. I think people are bitching more than they need to.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:53 pm

GI_Judd2287 wrote:I didn't hear this many people complaining when they cropped the movies for the Dragon Box. I think people are bitching more than they need to.

I'll say this once more:

*ahem*

Toei produced the movies to be letterboxed. They weren't 'cropped', they were always intended to be a widescreen aspect ratio. The animators animated the cels so all the action would fit into a 16:9 shot, because they were intended to be theatrical presentations.

The series was not. FUNimation either made a bad call early into the remastering process, or they didn't want to pay for a 'frame-by-frame' restoration so they cropped the most damaged areas to save money and tried to sell it as a 'WIDESCREEN, WAY IT WAS MEANT TO BE SEEN LOL'-edition.

It's bullshit, plain and simple. The company is fine in my book, but this is just another fuck-up in a long string when it comes to DBZ. If anyone buys this, they're just asking FUNi or other companies to do the same to other shows. That's their call.

But that doesn't mean what they're selling is a bad thing.

Yeah, after all it just means they think we're idiots who don't know about the terminology they're throwing at us to justify an unnecessary change. Funny how DragonBall Z has been popular for almost twenty years in various countries without any of them changing the aspect ratio ;p

-Corey

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:09 pm

It's funny how American DBZ fans got the DB/Z/GT movies in full screen which was exclusive compared to Japan's wide screened Dragon Box movies... yet now Funi want American DBZ fans to get DBZ in wide screened format which isn't superior as Dragon Box's DBZ episodes were in full screen

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:23 pm

Well, I've kinda sat on the sidelines of this whole "This is BS" versus the FUNi faithful and... I really don't see what the problem is. Everyone knows that the series is gonna be released cropped. Isn't that what everyone is whining about when you get to the core of it all? FUNi dropped the ball again, but this is probably the best thing we're gonna get in a while so you can either buy these, buy the DragonBox versions or sit yourself down and say "This is just a cartoon. I should really just relax."

Personally, I really don't care either way.

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:41 pm

It's funny how American DBZ fans got the DB/Z/GT movies in full screen which was exclusive compared to Japan's wide screened Dragon Box movies... yet now Funi want American DBZ fans to get DBZ in wide screened format which isn't superior as Dragon Box's DBZ episodes were in full screen

It's not really exclusive, considering the movies look the same nevertheless in both formats, there's not much of a difference.

Yeah, after all it just means they think we're idiots who don't know about the terminology they're throwing at us to justify an unnecessary change. Funny how DragonBall Z has been popular for almost twenty years in various countries without any of them changing the aspect ratio ;p

Funny how neither of those countries had FUNimation.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 1:10 am

DaemonCorps wrote:FUNi dropped the ball again, but this is probably the best thing we're gonna get in a while so you can either buy these, buy the DragonBox versions or sit yourself down and say "This is just a cartoon. I should really just relax."

Personally, I really don't care either way.

Oh yeah, I agree. It's not something that keeps me awake at night, regardless of owning the DragonBoxes or not. My whole thing is that FUNi isn't a competitor in the special olympics, and they're not your kid brother who's in 2nd grade. They're a company who makes millions, and their status as such is connected to us: the consumer. People keep underestimating that.

Is bitching about this gonna do anything? Probably not. Would I rather have FUNi know (like I have by posting, and talking to their marketing department directly) why this isn't the smartest idea in my opinion, so that if nothing else they won't try this with another series? Certainly.

Maybe, in a perfect world, FUNi will notice sales figures are less than ideal, and go: "Hey, maybe all those people who were pissing and moaning over this widescreen thing were actually potential customers and our poor explanations didn't fool them, and now we're in the red in terms of this release."

We live in a world with a lot of apathy. It's why government, corporations and people in general take advantage of others. Do I think there's such a thing as being obsessive? Sure, but as much as I bitch online I hardly talk about all this crap outside of these forums. This is a place to vent and discuss the subject material. Right now, this is a fairly important issue in terms of the series.

So, as a DragonBox owner who shouldn't give a damn since he already owns the entire series in the best format short of an HD release, do I care either way? Sure I do, I bought the DragonBoxes because I was sick of waiting for FUNi to get their shit together and do a good quality release in a way that made sense. Sad to me that 3 years after buying the first one, things have changed and yet sadly stayed the same. You guys can't win, it seems.

-Corey

Akira · Post by **Akira** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 1:36 am

I'm not going to lie, the aspect ratio thing does suck. However, redubbing glaring continuity errors, remastering the video so that it is better than what we have available currently, and above all else, giving me a dub track with the original Japanese music are big selling points for me.

Sure I am annoyed as hell with the aspect ratio thing, but everything else is things I have wanted for a long time. Since they cancelled the individual releases, this is about my only shot at an uncut Vegeta saga. Seeing as it is my favorite saga in Dragonball Z, and that I can get the dub track with Japanese music, I am going to have to overlook the aspect ratio thing to at least have those episodes. I may not buy any others since I have from Goku's Arrival on Namek through him leaving with Uub on the regular released DVDs already, but I am going to have to just suck it up and deal with it to get the Goku vs. Vegeta battle.

Maybe it won't be as bad as we're anticipating...

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 1:46 am

Now I remember why I was a manga purist.

All I have to deal with is Mr. Satan's other name, Vegerot, and D'jinn...

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 2:06 am

Akira wrote:Maybe it won't be as bad as we're anticipating...

Possibly, but if someone warns me that a shit-storm is brewing, I pull out my umbrella even though I still hope for the best

As for the redubbing...when I asked FUNi, all they could confirm in terms of these 'redubs' was that Kyle was coming back to do the narration for the episodes he hadn't done previously. Since they just dubbed all the Saiyajin/Namek arc episodes, I'm not expecting any huge overhauls myself. Then again...you know, *shit-storm analogy here*.

-Corey

GI_Judd2287 · Post by **GI_Judd2287** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 3:34 pm

Kendamu wrote:Now I remember why I was a manga purist.

All I have to deal with is Mr. Satan's other name, Vegerot, and D'jinn...

Amen to that, brother.

tatsumaru12345 · Post by **tatsumaru12345** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:43 pm

Not sure if its been posted yet, but amazon has a semi-new photo and a little bit more info on the set. Seems like there will be a little bit of extras, but how in the world could all of that fit on so little discs? The rereleased yu yu hakusho sets had 7 episodes a disc with no extras, and these about 9 with some. Heres the link-
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Seaso ... UTF8&s=dvd

MagicBox · Post by **MagicBox** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:04 pm

tatsumaru12345 wrote:Seems like there will be a little bit of extras, but how in the world could all of that fit on so little discs? The rereleased yu yu hakusho sets had 7 episodes a disc with no extras, and these about 9 with some.

Actually, the re-releases for Yu Yu Hakusho have eight episodes with no extras on the first disc of each set and six episodes on the second disc, which gives them room to put in the standard FUNi extras: character profiles and textless openings/endings.

Anyway, the episode per disc count has gone down since FUNi announced that the DBZ set will have six discs now. 39 episodes on six discs results in seven episodes on the first three discs, and six episodes on the last three, which means that there will be room for bonus features on discs 4, 5, and 6. That gives them plenty of room to put their restoration featurette in, in addition to the other extras they might include.

*Prays for a well-done dubbed version of "Head-Cha-La" and openings and endings that actually credit more than seven people from the Japanese version*

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:20 pm

http://www.dragonballz.com/HD_trailer/tech_trailer.htm

Anyone seen this technobabble video yet? Supposedly they're not saturating this time.

Makes me wonder about that tech FAQ ehere they had the Kaio and Gregory images. Are those really images from the new set? Have they lied to us again?

Is this the real thing this time?

Post by **VegettoEX** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:40 pm

Huh. Movie 8. I guess this indirectly confirms they did the movies, too.

I love how they keep going on and on and on about stuff like this:

FUNimation Tech Trailer wrote:The new transfers have been performed at 16:9, allowing more imagery to be viewed in the horizontal frame than was previously allowed by the standard definition transfers.

Just like everyone's been saying, that's fantastic and they're not lying at all. The problem is that they keep dancing around the fact that they also need to say, in the interest of complete disclosure, "Oh yeah... so to do that in the first place, we had to crop shit off the top and bottom."

If anything, this means FUNimation's going to have a movie boxset that completely rivals the respective Dragon Box in almost every way. Since those WERE framed for 16:9 (just animated 4:3), they can crop that, take their extra stuff on the side, and have something pretty damn cool.

Well, at least they didn't embarass themselves by attempting to talk about overscan and safe-zones in the trailer.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:52 pm

Y'know. You're right! They can do a decent Dragonbox Movies boxset if they want to.

But I'll only get it if I get a scouter with the purchase!

tarsonis · Post by **tarsonis** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:52 pm

So is the stuff that's cropped off from the top and bottom some footage that we actually saw on Funimation's previous releases? Or was it only seen in the Dragon Boxes?

I guess what I'm trying to get at whether we're missing footage that we have or haven't seen before in R1 releases.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:12 pm

Yeah. It's been seen before in previous R1 releases. That's originally why everyone was so pissed. Then FUNi tried to talk to us like we were stupid and lie to us in the process and that's what's got everyone mad now.

Had they just owned up to it and told the literal truth and not some half-assed explination that dances around the questions we were all asking, we'd all be fine.