Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[ZombieVito]

Spoiler:

22nd Tenkaichi Budokai

Son Goku: 180
Tenshinhan: 180
Master Roshi: 139
Master Tsuru: 120
Kuririn: 100
Yamcha: 95
Chaoz: 90
King Chapa: 85
Panput: 30
Nam: 30
Wolf Man: 10

How do those look?

[ahill1]

Looks pretty good - I would increase a little the distance between Chapa and Chaozu/Yamcha/Krillin - Roshi said that Yamcha and Krillin had chances to win the tournament even after seeing how easily Chapa was defeated by Goku.

[ZombieVito]

What about this?

Chapter: 115, P10.3-6
Context: Goku defeated King Chapa.
Goku: “I did it! I did it!”
Kuririn: “Be careful, Goku! If you put everything you’ve got into it from the start, you’ll wear yourself out!”
Goku: “But I didn’t put anywhere near everything I’ve got into it. If I did, he’d be dead. I wish they’d hurry up so I could fight with real strong guys like you all!”
Yamcha: “R-right… Hahaha…”
Jackie Chun (thinking): “Th-this could be bad…for me…”

[ahill1]

This is exactly my point: Roshi knew that Goku had not used full power against Chapa and yet said Yamcha and Krillin had chances to win.

[ahill1]

The Cell Jr were equal or slightly stronger than Vegeta SSJ and Future Trunks SSJ??

[Lord Beerus]

The Cell Jr were equal or slightly stronger than Vegeta SSJ and Future Trunks SSJ??

Yeah, the Cell Jrs were kicking all the butts of the SSJ's, excluding Gohan, at the Cell Games.

[ahill1]

But they were equal to Vegeta and Trunks? Or he had a slight edge in power?

[Lord Beerus]

But they were equal to Vegeta and Trunks? Or he had a slight edge in power?

The Cell Jrs had the edge in power and speed.

[ZombieVito]

Daizenshuu 7 confirmed all 3 were equal.

[ahill1]

Daizenshuu 7 stated Mirai Trunks SSJ = Vegeta SSJ = Cell Jr??

[ZombieVito]

Children which perfect-form Cell births through his tail. In the story, he gives birth to seven. Their appearance is like perfect-form Cell, only small and cute. However, their power was equal to Vegeta and Trunks at the time, and their personalities were cruelty itself.

[ahill1]

At the time - this could not mean that Cell Jr. were the same as they were only suppressed? Maybe they were equal only when they were not taking seriously the fight

[Hugo Boss]

The odds are sometimes Daizenshuu describes some completely one-sided fights as even. They might be under the assumption that once the fight is dragged out for a whole chapter, the warriors should have equal power.

[ahill1]

Mecha Freeza saga power levels:

Yamcha 228,000

Tenshinhan 304,000

Kuririn 380,000

Son Gohan 730,000

Piccolo 10,000,000

Vegeta 10,500,000

Rei Cold 180,000,000

Mecha Freeza
~Suppressed 187,500,000
~Full power(unseen) 375,000,000

Future Trunks
~base 12,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 600,000,000

Son Goku
~base 14,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 700,000,000

[supercat]

I personally always felt that Cell's spawns sat a notch or two below him. Trunks and Vegeta's less than ideal performance basically made it pretty clear that the father-son duo was outclassed. Trunks may have had a slight upper hand in brute strength, but because the advantage itself was trivial and came at the expense of speed, he presumably didn't have it any better than his father. That said, I doubt the Cell Kids were that much stronger than them, or even Piccolo for that matter.

[Berserker1921]

I like to use 1-20 for my power levels. Especially after reading about whis and Beerus power on that scale. So for every saga I will set it from 1-20. Just will use important characters. And the scale restarts for every saga since they deal with bigger threats. However some charActers will break through these limits. And just because I give gohan a 20. Doesn't mean he is as strong as Beerus. It changes ever saga.

Frieza saga

Frieza
1st form: 5
2nd form: 7
3rd form: 8.5
4th form: 10
100% : 14

Goku (kaioken x 20): 8
Ssj Goku: 17

Cell saga

Cell
Imperfect (absorbing thousands of people): 5
semi-perfect form: 8
Perfect form : 14
Super perfect Cell: 18

Goku
Master ssj: 11-12

Gohan
Master ssj: 14
Ssj2: 20

Vegeta
Full powered ssj: 9.5

Trunks
Full powered ssj: 9.5

Piccolo

Pre kami: 1
After: 5
After room of spirit and time: 6.5

Buu saga

Fat Buu: 10
Super Buu: 12
Buutenks: 15.5
Buuhan: 18
Kid Buu: 11

Goku
Ssj2: 8
Ssj3: 12

Vegeta
Ssj2: 9

Gohan
Ssj2: 7
Mystic: 15.5

Gotenks
Base: 7
Ssj:12
Ssj3: 14

Vegito
Base: 18
Ssj: 25 (yeah he breaks the rules)

[ahill1]

Berseker, Imperfect Cell(post absorptions) must be way stronger than Piccolo(after kami) and Cell(perfect form) should be stronger than Gohan MSSJ as well.

[Berserker1921]

Berseker, Imperfect Cell(post absorptions) must be way stronger than Piccolo(after kami) and Cell(perfect form) should be stronger than Gohan MSSJ as well.

I know but I just assumed that piccolo was as at his limit after fighting 17. So this why cell defeated him. Also mssj gohan was said to be the same strength of cell. However one he didn't want to fight cell and after his fight with Goku. Cell took a senzu bean rose his power. I didn't want to include that.

[ahill1]

Berseker, Imperfect Cell(post absorptions) must be way stronger than Piccolo(after kami) and Cell(perfect form) should be stronger than Gohan MSSJ as well.

I know but I just assumed that piccolo was as at his limit after fighting 17. So this why cell defeated him. Also mssj gohan was said to be the same strength of cell. However one he didn't want to fight cell and after his fight with Goku. Cell took a senzu bean rose his power. I didn't want to include that.

17 was as strong as Piccolo and was totally defeated by Imperfect Cell and 17 have boundless energy.
Cell (real speed) was on par with SSJ Gohan, but when Gohan turned into SSJ2, Cell made a massive power boost.

[manwolf]

My 1-20 scale:

Freeza Saga:
Freeza 1º Form: 1
Freeza 2º Form: 2
Freeza 3º Form: 4
Final Form N%: 6
Freeza 50%: 120
Freeza 100%: 240
Goku: 6
Goku Kaikoen x20: 120
Goku ssj: 300
Vegeta: 5
Piccolo: 2
Piccolo with Gohan and Krillin ki: 6
Gohan: 3
Krillin: 1

Android Saga:
Cell First form: 1
Cell after absorbing humans: 2
Semi perfect cell: 5
Perfect cell suppressed: 7
Perfect cell: 10
cell jr: 9
Super perfect Cell: 20
Android 16: 2
Android 17:1
Android 18: 1
Android 19: 0.2
Android 20: 0.2
Goku ssj sick: 0.2
Goku grade 3: 7
Goku fps: 9
Gohan: 0.1
Gohan FPS: 10
Gohan ssj2: 20
Vegeta ssj: 0.4
Vegeta grade 2: 6
Vegeta fps: 8
Trunks ssj: 0.4
Trunks grade 2: 6
Trunks grade 3: 7
Trunks fps: 8
Piccolo: 0.2
Piccolo merged with Kami:1
Piccolo after training: 6
Tien:0.1
Krillin: 0.1
Yamcha:0.08

Boo Saga:
Goku ssj:0.5
Goku ssj 2: 1
Goku ssj3: 4
Vegeta ssj: 0.5
Vegeta ssj2: 1
Gohan ssj: 0.4
Gohan ssj2: 0.8
Gohan mystic: 6
Goten ssj: 0.3
Trunks ssj: 0.3
Gotenks ssj:1.5
Gotenks ssj2: 3
Gotenks ssj3: 6
Kaiyoshin:0.3
Kibitoshin:0.4
Piccolo:0.1
Krilln:0.05
Majin Boo:2
Super Boo:5
Bootenks:7
Boohan:7
Kid Boo:4
Vegetto:10