The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Lord Beerus]

SSG Vegetto (BOG) vs. Beers + Whis potara fusion

Horrible stomp in Beeris'/Wheerus' favour

[ahill1]

Juniors were not winning; they were tied with Vegeta and Trunks-As they have power similar to Vegeta and Trunks Cell should be relying on the regenerative powers and techniques the top Juniors. Superior techniques of Cell Jr. would give them victory.

Piccolo 20,000,000,000
Future Trunks SSJ 22,500,000,000
Vegeta SSJ 22,500,000,000
Cell Jr 22,500,000,000

Seems perfect.

But it's not perfect... at all. Again, nothing suggests what you're saying. They were winning. Cell stated they were winning and the artwork shows this. Trunks was taking a beating. Vegeta traded one blow with his opponent. Gohan's fearful everyone's going to die. That's the situation. Nothing points to them being equal.

Cell didn't say the Juniors are stronger; Daiz states that Cell Jr were equal to Vegeta and Trunks. Vegeta and Trunks were fighting evenly; Cell Jr = Vegeta SSJ = Future Trunks SSJ > Piccolo. Cell said Junior would win due his regeneratives powers and superior techniques

Children which perfect-form Cell births through his tail. In the story, he gives birth to seven. Their appearance is like perfect-form Cell, only small and cute. However, their power was equal to Vegeta and Trunks at the time, and their personalities were cruelty itself.

- Daiz 7

[Sayo-chan]

Cell didn't say the Juniors are stronger;

Chapter: 406 (DBZ 212), P14.2-5
Goku: “Watch out! These guys are ferociously strong!”
Cell: “It’s no use, you absolutely cannot win. They may be small, but they’re my children.”

Chapter: 407 (DBZ 213), P5.3
Context: as the Cell Juniors beat everyone up
Cell (to Gohan): “If you don’t show your true worth soon, things will go past the point of no return. Look closely. Vegeta or Trunks are barely fighting evenly…Even Son Goku is in trouble, having lost his stamina…”
Note: Cell says that “Vegeta ya Trunks” are fighting evenly; ya is a non-exhaustive word for ‘and’, meaning the things listed aren’t necessarily the only things there are to list. In other words, Cell’s line doesn’t necessarily mean that nobody but Trunks or Vegeta are fighting evenly, just that they’re the first examples to come to mind.

Cell gives the kids the edge. The artwork supports this.

Daiz states that Cell Jr were equal to Vegeta and Trunks. Vegeta and Trunks were fighting evenly; Cell Jr = Vegeta SSJ = Future Trunks SSJ > Piccolo. Cell said Junior would win due his regeneratives powers and superior techniques.

As I've stated, the source material trumps supplemental material. You haven't proved your claim either, you're asserting it without evidence.

[ahill1]

Cell didn't say the Juniors are stronger;

Chapter: 406 (DBZ 212), P14.2-5
Goku: “Watch out! These guys are ferociously strong!”
Cell: “It’s no use, you absolutely cannot win. They may be small, but they’re my children.”

Chapter: 407 (DBZ 213), P5.3
Context: as the Cell Juniors beat everyone up
Cell (to Gohan): “If you don’t show your true worth soon, things will go past the point of no return. Look closely. Vegeta or Trunks are barely fighting evenly…Even Son Goku is in trouble, having lost his stamina…”
Note: Cell says that “Vegeta ya Trunks” are fighting evenly; ya is a non-exhaustive word for ‘and’, meaning the things listed aren’t necessarily the only things there are to list. In other words, Cell’s line doesn’t necessarily mean that nobody but Trunks or Vegeta are fighting evenly, just that they’re the first examples to come to mind.

Cell gives the kids the edge. The artwork supports this.

Daiz states that Cell Jr were equal to Vegeta and Trunks. Vegeta and Trunks were fighting evenly; Cell Jr = Vegeta SSJ = Future Trunks SSJ > Piccolo. Cell said Junior would win due his regeneratives powers and superior techniques.

As I've stated, the source material trumps supplemental material. You haven't proved your claim either, you're asserting it without evidence.

Agreed Agreed Agreed Sayo-chan. You're right. The Cell Jr are slightly stronger.

What do you think about this?

Piccolo 20,000,000,000
Mirai Trunks SSJ 22,000,000,000
Vegeta SSJ 22,500,000,000
Cell Jr 23,500,000,000

Looks good?

[Sayo-chan]

I guess. I think the numbers are really high, but I suppose that depends on your interpretation of the mechanics and what allows someone to one-shot someone else or overpower them. So long as the kids have the edge I think it's fine.

[ahill1]

I guess. I think the numbers are really high, but I suppose that depends on your interpretation of the mechanics and what allows someone to one-shot someone else or overpower them. So long as the kids have the edge I think it's fine.

I think the gap between Piccolo and Cell Jr are too big; Piccolo should be 88% of Cell Jr. So I wanted to leave the Juniors equal to Vegeta and Trunks, so Piccolo could be 88% of them

[ahill1]

East Kaioshin vs Vegeta SSJ(vs Android 19)

[Lord Beerus]

East Kaioshin vs Vegeta SSJ(vs Android 19)

Kaioshon kicks Vegeta's ass

[ZombieVito]

East Kaioshin vs Vegeta SSJ(vs Android 19)

Kaioshin finger flicks.

[ekrolo2]

Super Saiyan 2, post 3 year training Goku VS max power Imperfect Cell.

[LightBing]

East Kaioshin vs Vegeta SSJ(vs Android 19)

Kaioshin does him the same we would've done to Freeza

Super Saiyan 2, post 3 year training Goku VS max power Imperfect Cell.

I have Goku more than twice as strong, not even Semi-Perfect Cell would be able to fight him.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Super Saiyan 2, post 3 year training Goku VS max power Imperfect Cell.

Android saga SS2 Goku? He'd win rather easily in my opinion. Although, it mainly depends on what multiplier I'm feeling, right now 5x, which would be enough to defeat Cell.

[Doctor.]

Super Saiyan 2, post 3 year training Goku VS max power Imperfect Cell.

A Goku twice as strong? I assume this is Imperfect Cell after absorbing humans. In that case, Goku gets destroyed, he's probably on the androids level.

[ZombieVito]

Super Saiyan 2, post 3 year training Goku VS max power Imperfect Cell.

Exact equals. I'll give this to Goku since he is more skilled.

[Doctor.]

Super Saiyan 2, post 3 year training Goku VS max power Imperfect Cell.

Exact equals. I'll give this to Goku since he is more skilled.

How is Goku more skilled when Cell knows everything Goku knows?

[Darkron2151]

How is Goku more skilled when Cell knows everything Goku knows?

There's a big difference between knowing the same moves and having the same skills. Goku is a straight-up master at the kamehameha at this point in the series, while Cell, though having the same technique, may not be able to use it as efficiently or get "full power/capacity" out of it, so to speak. Even Piccolo said Cell's Kamehameha looked weak when they faced each other in Ginger town, as he probably compared it to the kamehameha of the one who he knows uses it primarily (Goku).

But as far as match-up goes, Cell's got it due to regeneration after a long fight. Goku's likely to tire out faster and if he get's injured, there's really nothing he can do about it.

[Captain Space]

Even Piccolo said Cell's Kamehameha looked weak when they faced each other in Ginger town, as he probably compared it to the kamehameha of the one who he knows uses it primarily (Goku).

To be fair, he may have just meant that Cell's Kamehameha (and indeed Cell in general) was weak compared to Piccolo himself, which was true. I got the impression that even that Cell was above the android arc SSJs, so his Kamehameha may well have been above Goku's at the time (and the last time Piccolo saw Goku use it, Goku was weakened by the heart virus, and the last time it was used on Piccolo it was well under 1,000 BP).

[ZombieVito]

Super Saiyan 2, post 3 year training Goku VS max power Imperfect Cell.

Exact equals. I'll give this to Goku since he is more skilled.

How is Goku more skilled when Cell knows everything Goku knows?

False. He doesn't know about IT. Goku in the CG put up a great fight against Cell, who was stronger.

At equal BP I can see Goku winning at the end.

[LonelyShadow]

SSG Vegetto (BOG) vs. Beers + Whis potara fusion

Wheers God-stomps.

Super Saiyan 2, post 3 year training Goku VS max power Imperfect Cell.

Cell probably has a little bit of advantage in power, I'll give it to him, he can also regenerate, cheaters never win (only the evil ones).

Super Android 13 vs Semi-Perfect Cell.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Super Android 13 vs Semi-Perfect Cell.

Super #13 is weaker than Android #16, who got tanked by a suppressed Semi-Perfect Cell. This is a slaughter.