How many flippin' times am I going to keep seeing posts reported because somebody doesn't like what somebody else thinks about power levels? Keep your feedback friendly or keep it to yourself.
ekrolo2 wrote:Cell Games Post Second ROSAT Majin Vegeta VS Cell Games Goku
No definite way to tell, because Bobbidi's "majin boost" is dependent on dormant power. I think Vegeta would at least be able to give Goku a good fight, though.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:M3 Piccolo vs. Zarbon
Piccolo was measured at 18,000, and even if he's stronger than that without weighted clothing, we don't know by how much. I'm gonna say Zarbon wins.
LonelyShadow wrote:Kaboom wrote:— Gotenks gets his cocky clock cleaned. He'd need SS2 on top of his RoSaT improvements to fight evenly with this Boo, and SS3 to give him an easy victory.
If that's the case, how strong was Gotenks compared to SSJ3 Goku/Kid Buu before and after Goten and Trunks trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber? I always hear/read peoples' interpretations about it, many of them are very different from each other, I once read some post that stated that Gotenks in his base form after the training was stronger than Goku as a SSJ3. I personally have SSJ Gotenks at 100% after his training at a par with Goku, maybe slightly weaker.
Before the RoSaT training, I'd say Gotenks at Super Saiyan would be a little bit weaker than SS2 Vegeta or Goku, like his bio in Daizenshuu #7 can be taken to mean. That's more impressive than it sounds, especially since he's doing it with a lower Super Saiyan form which means he's already almost twice as strong as either of them. His stint in the RoSaT roughly doubled his power in my book, leaving him about 3x stronger than Goku or Vegeta and finally able to handle fat Boo with just SS1.
Yeah, I have a somewhat conservative outlook on Gotenks' power. I find it helps the post-Boo material mesh with things a little better.
LonelyShadow wrote:Saiyan Beyond God Goku - Guantelet:
I'm going to say that Evil Boo or SS3 Gotenks is the strongest that Goku can handle
(as well as base Vegetto, who I don't think is necessarily all that high up by comparison). Mostly a gut feeling about his placement based on the various comparisons and fights in
Resurrection F, but I'm still not sure how much of a power boost SSGSS supposedly grants.
ahill1 wrote:East Kaioshin vs Vegeta SSJ(vs Android 19)
Kaioshin is much stronger than Piccolo, who improved to "a whole new level" in the Room of Spirit and Time, before which he was already about equal with Android 17, who's stronger than Android 18, who defeated Android-arc SS Vegeta without much trouble.
So... Kaioshin KOs Vegeta in one shot. He's barely even worth his godly attention.
ekrolo2 wrote:Super Saiyan 2, post 3 year training Goku VS max power Imperfect Cell.
They end up almost exactly equal in power, and the battle could go either way.
LonelyShadow wrote:Super Android 13 vs Semi-Perfect Cell.
Android #16 was noted as the strongest of Dr. Gero's creations besides Cell in Daizenshuu #7's character guide, which was all-encompassing and also included anime/movie characters, namely Android 13. Which I guess means that as powerful as Super 13 was, 16 was still a little stronger. So if 16 was beaten by Stage-2 Cell so easily, then Super 13 would be no better off.
ekrolo2 wrote:Post Yardrat Super Saiyan 4 Goku VS 100% Perfect Cell (SSJ4 multiplier is a x1000 base for this one).
Just by crunching my made-up numbers... Goku loses. He ends up being about 75% of Cell's power.
Darkron2151 wrote:Super Saiyans Goku (Healthy) and Vegeta (Android Saga) vs. Imperfect Cell (Ginger Town)
Base Vegeta (RoF) vs. Super Buu, then Buutenks, then Buuhan (Gauntlet)
Dabura vs. Paikuhan
Super Saiyan 2 Goku (Cell Games) vs. Bojack (Transformed)
Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Buu Arc) vs. 100% True Form Freeza (RoF)
— Goku and Vegeta in a reluctant team-up are a force to be reckoned with. I think they're plenty close enough in power to Cell
(whose power would "fit" between them and the Androids at this point) to take him down by working together.
— Maybe he could take on Evil Boo, but my gut tells me he'd still need to transform to defeat the absorption-powered forms.
— Definitely Paikuhan. Dabra was moderately weaker than SS1 Gohan, and I doubt his magic tricks will let him beat someone who could take down
(supposedly) "Super Perfect" Cell.
— Goku wins this with a comfortable power advantage. I see Bojack maxing out at around the same level as full-power Cell.
— I'm not quite ready to make assumptions about Freeza's full power here. Pass.
AvatarReiko wrote:SSGSS Goku & SSGSSSVegeta vs Golden Freeza( Full Power) - No power drain
Didn't Beerus and/or Whis actually say right in the film that Goku and Vegeta could easily win if they fought Freeza together? Even if I'm mis-remembering the line or context, I think they could anyway. Freeza's power advantage over Goku was relatively minor, enough that he wouldn't last very long against a SSGSS Goku/Vegeta team-up.
Gonstead wrote:Perfect Cell (With Goku's Heart Virus) vs Post-ROSAT Piccolo.
Well, I guess if the virus affects Cell as rapidly and potently as it did to Goku, then it wouldn't take very long for his power to decrease enough that Piccolo could beat him. As long as Piccolo can survive the beating until it reaches that point.
LonelyShadow wrote:- SSJ2 Vegeta (Beginning of Buu) vs SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games)
- Goku (EoZ, original timeline) vs Freeza 100%
- Saiyan beyond God Goku vs SSJ4 Goku (Baby saga)
- Super Perfect Cell "El Cucaracho Sanchez" vs SSJ2 Goku (First time unlocking this transformation in the afterlife)
- SSJ4 Gogeta (GT) vs Whis
— I think Vegeta may win this one. They're close in power, but Vegeta's the more talented and capable fighter even if he's slightly behind in strength.
— He's improved enough that he could
possibly beat Freeza... I think he's right around the 100 million mark in base, compared to Freeza's 120 million. His best bet would be to fight defensively until Freeza's 100% starts to sap his strength and stamina.
— There's STILL no good way to compare god-saga and GT characters. Pass.
— Eh, not sure. We don't know when Goku achieved SS2, or how much raw power he gained before doing so. If he strived for the form first and THEN trained for more strength and SS3 after that, then he'd probably still get his butt kicked by Cell. But if it happened after a few years and he was moderately more powerful, he may stand a good chance.
— *Sigh* Pass.
Doctor. wrote:Super Perfect Cell vs SS2 Gohan, Cell Games. (No cheap shots, no sacrifices, no moral support. Just assume Vegeta never flipped out and that Goku never knew that Cell survived and let the fight continue from there.)
Super Saiyan Future Trunks, when he fought against Imperfect Cell vs Super Saiyan Trunks, after training for the tournament
Super Saiyan 2 Goten and Trunks vs Super Saiyan 2 Goku
Super Saiyan Time Patrol Trunks vs Super Saiyan 2 Goku
Hatchyack vs Super Saiyan Goku, Boo arc
Super Saiyan God Raditz vs Android #18
— Cell is back to being on-par with Gohan again, and Gohan would probably find a way to lose.
— Definitely Future Trunks. I personally think after those three years he was probably pushing Goku and Gohan's power range, whereas kid Trunks would probably only be about half of that, on-par with Piccolo.
— Goku wrecks both of the kids at the same time.
— Beats me, I'm not sure how strong Time Patrol Trunks is supposed to be.
— The only strength quote I know for Hachiyak is "stronger than (Movie 8) Broli." Which is a level I don't think Goku can quite overcome yet without Super Saiyan 2.
— Uh...
*flips a coin* Wow, victory to Raditz.
