Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Blackstripe]

Yeah, I've been saying I don't place Vegeta near Beerus's 10%. I have Vegeta at 3% of Beerus at that point. Characters who have held a 2x advantage or slightly greater have been hit and left with noticeable damage, and Beerus doesn't show any of that. Vegeta is very casually one shotted shortly after.
But on the other hand, the power Beerus would need to make a laughing stock out of Goku would be 0.05, 0.1. Depends if I put Vegetto above Vegeta for the different numbers to work. But then it can be argued that Goku would have no way of gauging Beerus power when he is so ridiculously above him using a lot less than 1% of his power.

I agree. Vegeta need be nowhere even close to 10% Beerus. His blast didn't phase him at all, and this was followed up by him casually one-shotting him.

Vegeta being at 3% is possible, I do suppose. Still ridiculous-sounding, but there's no way to avoid that. Super Vegetto is probably below Vegeta there. That's SSJ1 Vegetto, not necessarily anything higher.

Vegeta = 3%, Super Vegetto = 1%, SSJ3 Gokuu = almost incalculably low, but we'll say 0.01%.

This puts SSJ3 Vegetto at 8%, entirely tolerable.

[Helios518]

Yeah, I've been saying I don't place Vegeta near Beerus's 10%. I have Vegeta at 3% of Beerus at that point. Characters who have held a 2x advantage or slightly greater have been hit and left with noticeable damage, and Beerus doesn't show any of that. Vegeta is very casually one shotted shortly after.
But on the other hand, the power Beerus would need to make a laughing stock out of Goku would be 0.05, 0.1. Depends if I put Vegetto above Vegeta for the different numbers to work. But then it can be argued that Goku would have no way of gauging Beerus power when he is so ridiculously above him using a lot less than 1% of his power.

I agree. Vegeta need be nowhere even close to 10% Beerus. His blast didn't phase him at all, and this was followed up by him casually one-shotting him.

Vegeta being at 3% is possible, I do suppose. Still ridiculous-sounding, but there's no way to avoid that. Super Vegetto is probably below Vegeta there. That's SSJ1 Vegetto, not necessarily anything higher.

Vegeta = 3%, Super Vegetto = 1%, SSJ3 Gokuu = almost incalculably low, but we'll say 0.01%.

This puts SSJ3 Vegetto at 8%, entirely tolerable.

But why would Beerus need to use 10%? he could use 6% and the fight would still go the same way if Vegeta was only 3%.

[Blackstripe]

Yeah, I've been saying I don't place Vegeta near Beerus's 10%. I have Vegeta at 3% of Beerus at that point. Characters who have held a 2x advantage or slightly greater have been hit and left with noticeable damage, and Beerus doesn't show any of that. Vegeta is very casually one shotted shortly after.
But on the other hand, the power Beerus would need to make a laughing stock out of Goku would be 0.05, 0.1. Depends if I put Vegetto above Vegeta for the different numbers to work. But then it can be argued that Goku would have no way of gauging Beerus power when he is so ridiculously above him using a lot less than 1% of his power.

I agree. Vegeta need be nowhere even close to 10% Beerus. His blast didn't phase him at all, and this was followed up by him casually one-shotting him.

Vegeta being at 3% is possible, I do suppose. Still ridiculous-sounding, but there's no way to avoid that. Super Vegetto is probably below Vegeta there. That's SSJ1 Vegetto, not necessarily anything higher.

Vegeta = 3%, Super Vegetto = 1%, SSJ3 Gokuu = almost incalculably low, but we'll say 0.01%.

This puts SSJ3 Vegetto at 8%, entirely tolerable.

But why would Beerus need to use 10%? he could use 6% and the fight would still go the same way.

Not necessarily, Vegeta's blasts can be far above his base power level. We've seen this before.

[Birusu16]

I wouldn't put Vegeta that low. I'd probably put him at 5% and that could work with either Vegeta being stronger than Vegetto or the latter being stronger than the former (like around 6% or 7% compared to Vegeta's 5%) because SSJ3 Vegetto would still end up weaker than God Goku with him tapping out at 48% or 56% compared to Goku's 60%.

[Blackstripe]

I wouldn't put Vegeta that low. I'd probably put him at 5% and that could work with either Vegeta being stronger than Vegetto or the latter being stronger than the former (like around 6% or 7% compared to Vegeta's 5%) because SSJ3 Vegetto would still end up weaker than God Goku with him tapping out at 48% or 56% compared to Goku's 60%.

Problem with Super Vegetto being stronger is that Gokuu specifically states that potara fusion (using the word they exclusively use to refer to that) wouldn't be enough. He was grading Beerus based on the power he used against him.

I think Beerus was initially at 2.5% power, and doesn't ever go below this because he has flawless control over this level of power. This is what Gokuu grades him by.

Vegeta hits 3%, enough to give him the edge and surprise Beerus. Vegeta can unleash ki blasts far above his level, however, and so the one he used on Beerus might've been a 6% or so, prompting him to use 10%.

[RandomGuy96]

10% Beerus tanked all of Vegeta's blows like air.

[ZombieVito]

10% Beerus tanked all of Vegeta's blows like air.

Then why did Vegeta launch him into the air twice?

[Blackstripe]

10% Beerus tanked all of Vegeta's blows like air.

Then why did Vegeta launch him into the air twice?

Cause he wasn't 10% when he was getting hit. That was sort of the point of the last several posts.

[Doctor.]

Spoiler:

Vegeta: 20
-- SS: 200
-- SS2: 400
-- Enraged SS2: 35,000

Goku: 20
-- SS: 200
-- SS2: 400
-- SS3: 1,600

Fat Boo: 1,300
Grey Boo: 780
Mr. Boo: 520

Kid Boo: 1,650

Gotenks: 160
-- SS: 1,600
-- SS2: 3,200
-- SS3: 12,800

Ultimate Gohan: 19,000

Super Boo: 11,000
-- Gotenks Absorbed: 23,800
-- Gohan Absorbed: 30,000

Vegetto: 400
-- SS: 40,000
-- SS2: 80,000
-- SS3: 320,000

SSG: 600,000
-- 80%: 480,000
-- Base form: 350,000
----- SS: 590,000

Beerus: 1,000,000
-- 70%: 700,000
-- 10%: 100,000

Whis: 1,500,000

Goku: 360,000
-- SSGSS: 720,000

Vegeta: 358,000
-- SSGSS: 716,000

Freeza: 1,000
-- Final Form: 226,000
-- Golden: 791,000

I think this works fine for me. I probably won't be changing it until any new information drops soon. So SS3 Goku is 0.16% of Beerus, enraged Vegeta and Super Saiyan Vegetto are about 3.5% and 4% respectively, since Vegeta managed to get some hits in but Beerus was clearly testing him and wasn't even fazed after it all (how strong he is compared to Super Vegetto is completely arbitrary, I just chose to put him weaker because I want to, but at least we have to all agree he's somewhere in the same realm as SS Vegetto). Meanwhile, Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto is weaker than any of the Gods (barring final form Freeza, I guess, if you count him as a God), standing at 32% of Beerus' power.

SSGSS is a 2x boost and Freeza's golden form is 3.5x, because I want them to be as such. RF battle powers are self-explanatory, I think. Some promotional material said something about a battle surpassing even the one in BoG, so I put everyone above 70% Beerus for good measure.

[Khin]

I would put Rageta at 3% and Super Vegetto at 2%

SSJ3 Goku = 0.01% or below
Super Vegetto = 2%
Beerus(vs.z fighters and ssj3 goku)= 2.5%
Rageta = 3%
SSJ2 Vegetto = 4%
SSJ3 Vegetto = 16%

It makes sense for Rage Vegeta tanking a punch from 2.5% Beerus and then Beerus rose to 10% tank all of his attacks and one shot him

[Sora Saiyan]

Okay, I'm updating my power level list. I'm not giving reasons for everything since I did give some before.

Spoiler:

Whis - 150,000
Beerus - 100,000
Godku - 60,000
Vegetto SSJ3 - 12,000 (This truly fits with Goku not thinking a world like SSJG could exist.)
Beerus 10% - 10,000
Vegetto SSJ2 - 3,000
Vegeta rage - 3,000
Vegetto SSJ - 1,500
Chou Gohan - 48 (1.5x stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks.)
SSJ3 Gotenks - 32
Base Vegetto - 30
SSJ Gotenks - 4 (1.5 x stronger than SSJ3 Goku)
SSJ3 Goku Z - 2.6

The power levels of the characters that appeared in the Boo arc I have left at what I've always believed them to be at. Yes, this list looks ridiculous, but it's only because the Boo arc had crazy power levels which this has taken to a whole new level. I might revise it, but it's hard since I've now put base Vegetto at a little more than half of Gohan, and I used to have him equal, but then rage Vegeta happened. I'm just glad that I don't have base Gotenks equal to SSJ3 Goku.

[Blackstripe]

Okay, I'm updating my power level list. I'm not giving reasons for everything since I did give some before.

Spoiler:

Whis - 150,000
Beerus - 100,000
Godku - 60,000
Vegetto SSJ3 - 12,000 (This truly fits with Goku not thinking a world like SSJG could exist.)
Beerus 10% - 10,000
Vegetto SSJ2 - 3,000
Vegeta rage - 3,000
Vegetto SSJ - 1,500
Chou Gohan - 48 (1.5x stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks.)
SSJ3 Gotenks - 32
Base Vegetto - 30
SSJ Gotenks - 4 (1.5 x stronger than SSJ3 Goku)
SSJ3 Goku Z - 2.6

The power levels of the characters that appeared in the Boo arc I have left at what I've always believed them to be at. Yes, this list looks ridiculous, but it's only because the Boo arc had crazy power levels which this has taken to a whole new level. I might revise it, but it's hard since I've now put base Vegetto at a little more than half of Gohan, and I used to have him equal, but then rage Vegeta happened. I'm just glad that I don't have base Gotenks equal to SSJ3 Goku.

Yeah, that sounds about right to me too.

[ZombieVito]

I just can't make sense of Beerus using 10% to beat Vegeta if he was 2-4% of Beerus.

6% should be enough.

I think you guys are underestimating Vegeta.

[Sora Saiyan]

I just can't make sense of Beerus using 10% to beat Vegeta if he was 2-4% of Beerus.

6% should be enough.

I think you guys are underestimating Vegeta.

My logic is about Beerus showing no signs of damage even though Vegeta is giving his all when attacking Beerus. We've seen characters cause noticeable injury to another character with a 2-3x power difference. Once Beerus decided to retaliate, it was a very very casual hit. It looked like it was by accident. I know Vegeta was a bit worn out by that point, but I don't think his power dropped too much.
Maybe Beerus was gauging Vegeta so he used more power? Or maybe he just didn't want to be hurt when being knocked around. I do believe Beerus allowed himself to be knocked around.

Thanks Blackstripe. It looks a bit excessive but it fits IMO.

[Bullza]

I'd put it like this myself.

Whis - 1,500
Beerus - 1,000
SSJG God - 600
SSJ3 Vegito - 500
SSJ2 Vegito - 125
SSJ Vegito - 62.5
Angry SSJ2 Vegeta - 40
Gohan Buu - 40
Gohan - 23
SSJ3 Gotenks - 18
Super Buu - 16
SSJ3 Goku (Z) - 2.5

[Low Tone G]

I just can't make sense of Beerus using 10% to beat Vegeta if he was 2-4% of Beerus.

6% should be enough.

I think you guys are underestimating Vegeta.

Or Toei screwed the things up having Beerus to say a percentage of his power, they better let Beerus saying:"I have never had to use this percentage of my true power against Saiyans, like you, Vegeta.

Beerus using 10% of his true power is simply way too much, knowing Goku's decision to discard Vegetto. It's simply makes Vegetto to high if used against Beerus, potentially surpassing him.

[Blackstripe]

I just can't make sense of Beerus using 10% to beat Vegeta if he was 2-4% of Beerus.

6% should be enough.

I think you guys are underestimating Vegeta.

Or Toei screwed the things up having Beerus to say a percentage of his power, they better let Beerus saying:"I have never had to use this percentage of my true power against Saiyans, like you, Vegeta.

Beerus using 10% of his true power is simply way too much, knowing Goku's decision to discard Vegetto. It's simply makes Vegetto to high if used against Beerus, potentially surpassing him.

Well, of course. Everyone knows this is the truth of it.

But as horrifically nerdy fans, it is our duty to try and make some level of sense out of Toei's bumbling decisions.

[Bullza]

I wonder if they'll change up the amount he'll use against SSJG Goku so that it's not 70% this time.

[Analytical Delusion]

Haven't watched yet, but 10% against Vegeta?

Assuming Vegeta put up a legitimate fight, then this is going to force me to significantly decrease the effect of fusion and merging, if the Vegetto line is left in still.

[ZombieVito]

Haven't watched yet, but 10% against Vegeta?

Assuming Vegeta put up a legitimate fight, then this is going to force me to significantly decrease the effect of fusion and merging, if the Vegetto line is left in still.

It's still in.