"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

In terms of Super,I think Freeza will send a shock wave down to earth before getting killed by Vegeta who'll join Goku and the others before the planet blows up then they'll go to Namek to use their dragon balls to wish earth back only to find out that they were either used or taken by Champa which leads them to go to u6 in search of the super dragon balls.

That would be amazing, and then Whis Deus Ex Machinia would be pure filler

[LuckyCat]

That would be amazing, and then Whis Deus Ex Machinia would be pure filler

It's not a Deus Ex Machina. Whis clearly explained he could undo the damage to planets to us before it became important later.

[Doctor.]

On a completely personal note, being a hardcore Vegeta fan, watching Vegeta beat the shit out of Freeza with his bare hands without the help of anyone, face-to-face, in a direct and badass manner, gave me as much satisfaction as watching Bardock finally beat, if not Freeza himself, then one of his ancestors, because of the deep way the viewer, especially a Vegeta fan, sympathizes with, shares and really feels for the humiliation and hopelessness experienced by Vegeta at the hands of Freeza in episodes 85 and 86 over two decades ago (in real-word time, I mean). That alone, that minute alone, made it more than worth enough to sit through the entire movie. But it also goes far beyond that, it features the final, full-fledged return of the arguably the most charismatic and dramatic villain in the whole franchise after numerous cameos in the Cell and Majin Buu arcs in DBZ and in Movies and Specials. It developed upon the potential of Beerus and Whis as a character, especially by having the latter show off his previously unseen martial arts moves while training Goku and Vegeta, going as far as dominating them miserably despite their absolutely massive power and proceeding to point out their respective flaws. It features the achievement/development of a new, further Super Saiya-jin stage beyond Super Saiya-jin God, and it serves the purpose (which DBSuper will complete) of having Vegeta finally not only fully catching up with Goku, but also surpassing everyone who was above him throughout the Majin Buu arc and become the main (co-)protagonist and hero in the franchise, and the main character alongside Goku and, arguably, Beerus. It also shows us and expands upon the connection between Beerus and Freeza, which is a fantastic thing because there are lots of previously identified similarities between them.

As a Vegeta fan, I thought the scene was completely pathetic. Vegeta beating down on a weakened Freeza. Seriously? That's the best way they can find to make his character look good? Well, that's just sad for Vegeta.

[Lord Beerus]

I'm starting to fear Super will go the GT way and will have only unsignificant fights. This is my only concern with Super. And it is legitimate because Toei seems to be handling the fight scenes. Toriyama isn't drawing out the fights step by step anymore. He's more like casually mentioning them in his drafts.

For a fight to be significant I figure it needs to be at least 5 episodes. The Goku vs Vegeta battle takes about 6 episodes. But the whole fight against the saiyans draws out into about 15. You could say, well this is bad pacing, no way it should take this long. But this is exactly what I liked about dbz while first watching it. The tension steadily rising, even while training before the saiyans arrival. Then there was so much stuff happening left and right during the battle. People dieing, sacrifices, arms being blown off, Gohan's training showing first results, Piccolo being a badass.. and then eventually Goku's arrival, you expected him to finish nappa, but then Vegeta does. The actual fight between Goku and Vegeta threw us for a loop several times too. Many twists and turns and awesome choreography. Vegeta turning Ape, Goku being completely finished and Gohan and Krillin having to get into the fighting again, the spirit bomb. And ofcourse eventually, Yajirobe!

I hope Toriyama eventually realises this, that he really has to flesh out his fights, otherwise Super is doomed to suffer the same fate as GT. Even though it will have more awesome characters i'm sure, the fights will never spark my interest. Half an episode of a fight will never have anything significant or suprising happening. Just some punches thrown and a mandatory beam attack. Cue big smoke and result. It just feels like a fight scene for the sake of a fight scene. It doesn't feel like that's the story they want to tell. More like it's something they have to struggle through because Dragonball is nothing without it's fights. GT always felt like this to me.

Another problem I'm having with the Super adaption, the location, the ship offers a really stale scenery. There isn't much detailing going into the backgrounds. Basically always metal walls, wooden floors and an ocean in the horizon. No way that's as interesting as a Bryce canyon like terrain in the Vegeta vs Goku fight or even an underground lake like in the movie.
I guess Toriyama is also to fault here, because he isn't dishing out beautiful backgrounds for every scene anymore, the background painters have nothing to be inspired by anymore. Well toriyama did design one sketch of a boat. Myeah.

I guess we just have to face it, because of Toriyama not making a manga anymore, Super is inherently different than everything Toriyama gave us before. It's bound to be less satisfactory because Toei is filling in the gaps that not drawing out every scene leaves. So we should expect the quality to be slightly better than GT because Toriyama is involved, but not as good as Dragonball or DBZ since Toei is involved more in the fights. It's sad, I know.

Quality > Quantity. Fights don't have to last a least five episodes for them to be significant.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

On a completely personal note, being a hardcore Vegeta fan, watching Vegeta beat the shit out of Freeza with his bare hands without the help of anyone, face-to-face, in a direct and badass manner, gave me as much satisfaction as watching Bardock finally beat, if not Freeza himself, then one of his ancestors, because of the deep way the viewer, especially a Vegeta fan, sympathizes with, shares and really feels for the humiliation and hopelessness experienced by Vegeta at the hands of Freeza in episodes 85 and 86 over two decades ago (in real-word time, I mean). That alone, that minute alone, made it more than worth enough to sit through the entire movie. But it also goes far beyond that, it features the final, full-fledged return of the arguably the most charismatic and dramatic villain in the whole franchise after numerous cameos in the Cell and Majin Buu arcs in DBZ and in Movies and Specials. It developed upon the potential of Beerus and Whis as a character, especially by having the latter show off his previously unseen martial arts moves while training Goku and Vegeta, going as far as dominating them miserably despite their absolutely massive power and proceeding to point out their respective flaws. It features the achievement/development of a new, further Super Saiya-jin stage beyond Super Saiya-jin God, and it serves the purpose (which DBSuper will complete) of having Vegeta finally not only fully catching up with Goku, but also surpassing everyone who was above him throughout the Majin Buu arc and become the main (co-)protagonist and hero in the franchise, and the main character alongside Goku and, arguably, Beerus. It also shows us and expands upon the connection between Beerus and Freeza, which is a fantastic thing because there are lots of previously identified similarities between them.

As a Vegeta fan, I thought the scene was completely pathetic. Vegeta beating down on a weakened Freeza. Seriously? That's the best way they can find to make his character look good? Well, that's just sad for Vegeta.

Yeah, screw them. How dare they not give Vegeta the respect he deserves. I mean, it's not like in the last film they literally forced Vegeta's power to be greater than that of Super Saiyan 3 Goku's in a much weaker form or anything. Oh wait. They did. And it was the most Vegeta-wanking moment in the entire series. Don't act like Vegeta hasn't gotten his times to shine in this new set of films.

[Doctor.]

Yeah, screw them. How dare they not give Vegeta the respect he deserves. I mean, it's not like in the last film they literally forced Vegeta's power to be greater than that of Super Saiyan 3 Goku's in a much weaker form or anything. Oh wait. They did. And it was the most Vegeta-wanking moment in the entire series. Don't act like Vegeta hasn't gotten his times to shine in this new set of films.

I couldn't care less if Vegeta doesn't get his time to shine. His character is at its best when he's being completely humiliated and his best efforts amount to nothing. With that said, when they go through the effort of throwing him a bone, at least make sure it's a respectable one to chew. I'd be complaining too if Goku decided to get in and fight a weakened Freeza, mostly because that's a disservice to both characters.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Yeah, screw them. How dare they not give Vegeta the respect he deserves. I mean, it's not like in the last film they literally forced Vegeta's power to be greater than that of Super Saiyan 3 Goku's in a much weaker form or anything. Oh wait. They did. And it was the most Vegeta-wanking moment in the entire series. Don't act like Vegeta hasn't gotten his times to shine in this new set of films.

I couldn't care less if Vegeta doesn't get his time to shine. His character is at its best when he's being completely humiliated and his best efforts amount to nothing. With that said, when they go through the effort of throwing him a bone, at least make sure it's a respectable one to chew. I'd be complaining too if Goku decided to get in and fight a weakened Freeza, mostly because that's a disservice to both characters.

This was Goku's fight. It always has been. He fought Freeza to the brink the first time, and now he's going to do it again. Vegeta got his turn, and instead of killing hin like he could have, he waited and taunted him and the Earth blew up. They threw him the bone, but Vegeta f'd up and missed it. It's what he'll hopefully be working on in the next film.

[Doctor.]

Yeah, screw them. How dare they not give Vegeta the respect he deserves. I mean, it's not like in the last film they literally forced Vegeta's power to be greater than that of Super Saiyan 3 Goku's in a much weaker form or anything. Oh wait. They did. And it was the most Vegeta-wanking moment in the entire series. Don't act like Vegeta hasn't gotten his times to shine in this new set of films.

I couldn't care less if Vegeta doesn't get his time to shine. His character is at its best when he's being completely humiliated and his best efforts amount to nothing. With that said, when they go through the effort of throwing him a bone, at least make sure it's a respectable one to chew. I'd be complaining too if Goku decided to get in and fight a weakened Freeza, mostly because that's a disservice to both characters.

This was Goku's fight. It always has been. He fought Freeza to the brink the first time, and now he's going to do it again. Vegeta got his turn, and instead of killing hin like he could have, he waited and taunted him and the Earth blew up. They threw him the bone, but Vegeta f'd up and missed it. It's what he'll hopefully be working on in the next film.

Vegeta didn't taunt him, he was about to kill him. He says in the beginning of their fight that he'll finish it quickly, unlike Goku. What made him fuck up his chance was the weakness Whis stated at the beginning: he thinks too much and is slower to react as a result.

[sintzu]

Vegeta beating down on a weakened Freeza. Seriously? That's the best way they can find to make his character look good? Well, that's just sad for Vegeta.

I don't see people complaining about Freeza doing it to him on Namek.

[Doctor.]

Vegeta beating down on a weakened Freeza. Seriously? That's the best way they can find to make his character look good? Well, that's just sad for Vegeta.

I don't see people complaining about Freeza doing it to him on Namek.

What did Freeza do? He fought Vegeta, who was at full health, and humiliated him. That's all there is to it. Under normal circumstances, Golden Freeza would have absolutely destroyed Vegeta easily.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Vegeta didn't taunt him, he was about to kill him. He says in the beginning of their fight that he'll finish it quickly, unlike Goku. What made him fuck up his chance was the weakness Whis stated at the beginning: he thinks too much and is slower to react as a result.

Except he did taunt him. He beat him around for the satisfaction of doing so and then proceeded to taunt him about "this time don't come back"... and that resulted in the Big Kaboom.

[funrush]

Fights don't have to be long to be significant, Nail vs. Freeza and Trunks vs. Freeza/Cold are like 10 minute fights and they're pretty important fights. This also doesn't make them unlikeable fights, they're up in my favorites probably.

Vegeta beating down on a weakened Freeza. Seriously? That's the best way they can find to make his character look good? Well, that's just sad for Vegeta.

I don't see people complaining about Freeza doing it to him on Namek.

What did Freeza do? He fought Vegeta, who was at full health, and humiliated him. That's all there is to it. Under normal circumstances, Golden Freeza would have absolutely destroyed Vegeta easily.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that. I'd say SSGSS Goku and SSGSS Vegeta are probably not that different in terms of strength and SSGSS Goku wrecked Gold Freeza pretty easily.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that. I'd say SSGSS Goku and SSGSS Vegeta are probably not that different in terms of strength and SSGSS Goku wrecked Gold Freeza pretty easily.

Actually, not so. In fact, it's pretty clearly shown in-film that Freeza was an actual threat, and would have actually won his fight against Goku. At the start of the fight, Golden Freeza was pretty clearly stronger than SSGSS Goku. It's only after the fight dragged out and Freeza lost a lot of power was Goku finally able to gain an edge.

[TomTom]

Hi all, the preview of the next épisode.

[LuckyCat]

^Needless to say, the bottom right text window confirms Videl is indeed pregnant with Pan.

[TRL]

I miss farming clothes Goku. I wanna see more of him.

Yeah there have been some significant short fights in DBZ, but the really memorable, saga shaping ones like versus Vegeta, Frieza, Cell were always pretty damn long and I loved it!

[Lord Beerus]

^Needless to say, the bottom right text window confirms Videl is indeed pregnant with Pan.

So Super is confirmed to have the same timeline as BOG. Hope this puts an end to time placement debates about Super.

[irreality]

^Needless to say, the bottom right text window confirms Videl is indeed pregnant with Pan.

So Super is confirmed to have the same timeline as BOG. Hope this puts an end to time placement debates about Super.

Ha! I'm sure people will now be wondering whether EoZ will be rewritten and Pan will be older. If only Bulma were a reliable narrator for the question of her age…

I think it is reasonable to think there were undisclosed time skips and this is just placed around BoG. Everything makes more sense from there.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Yeah, it looks a lot more likely, but it's not really confirmed until we get a solid statement on the timeframe. Otherwise people still have room to argue that it's much earlier and Pan's age is being retconned or something

[Chuquita]

Hi all, the preview of the next épisode.

Yay ssjg Gokû~.
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I mean, I knew this was coming from the next ep preview, but still.
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Re: Videl

I still hope they clear up what year this takes place at some point, but it's not my biggest concern atm (which honestly would be the danger of another animation collapse).

I also still hope Bra gets to exist in Super. Super is so much "The VegeBul Show; with occasional cute Gokû antics" that I can't help getting excited over Bulma revealing her pregnancy to Vegeta.