Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[ahill1]

IMO Goku compared Rildo to Buuhan, so Goku base(GT) > Buuhan.

Buuhan 1

Rildo 1,2

Goku base 1,3
~SSJ 65
~SSJ2 130
~SSJ3 520
~SSJ4 5,200

So Goku SSJ4 is 5,200x stronger than Buuhan.

Beerus used ~5% of his power to defeat Goku SSJ3(BoG), which is way, way, way weaker than Goku SSJ3(GT); Therefore Goku SSJ4(GT vs Baby) is way stronger than Beerus. Unless Vegeta SSJ2 Enranged >>>>>>> Goku SSJ3.

[Blackstripe]

IMO Goku compared Rildo to Buuhan, so Goku base(GT) > Buuhan.

Buuhan 1

Rildo 1,2

Goku base 1,3
~SSJ 65
~SSJ2 130
~SSJ3 520
~SSJ4 5,200

So Goku SSJ4 is 5,200x stronger than Buuhan.

Beerus used ~5% of his power to defeat Goku SSJ3(BoG), which is way, way, way weaker than Goku SSJ3(GT); Therefore Goku SSJ4(GT vs Baby) is way stronger than Beerus. Unless Vegeta SSJ2 Enranged >>>>>>> Goku SSJ3.

Yes, Vegeta SSJ2 Enraged is obviously immensely stronger than SSJ3 Gokuu. I thought that was patently obvious by this point, considering that Beerus effortlessly defeated Ultimate Gohan without so much as a sigh of effort.

I'm not sure why you would assume Gokuu would compare Rild to one of the only versions of Buu he didn't directly fight as himself. It makes much more sense that he is either comparing him to Kid Buu or Mr. Buu, the former because he fought him for the longest period, and the latter because he's been living with him forever and understands his power well.

[ahill1]

SSJ Vegetto mada a solid proof that Goku compared Rildo to Buuhan.

[Blackstripe]

SSJ Vegetto mada a solid proof that Goku compared Rildo to Buuhan.

Huh? I don't even understand what you just said.

But if you're saying SSJ Vegetto somehow offers proof that he's comparing him to Buuhan...no, it really doesn't.

[Hugo Boss]

As I said in another topic...Rild's initial display of power is enough for Goku to tell his ki is larger than Majin Boo's. It could be any Majin Boo, really. We could try to rationalize this in many possible ways, like Trunks not knowing any forms of Majin Boo besides Evil Boo and Fat Boo, Pan only knowing Fat Boo, or as I believe Pure Boo. But there is no problem with people assuming Gohan Boo and Gotenks Boo are Majin Boo. It's still inside his capabilities to power-up by absorbing powerful people and Rildo seems to have a similar ability when absorbing fluid metal.

[Blackstripe]

As I said in another topic...Rild's initial display of power is enough for Goku to tell his ki is larger than Majin Boo's. It could be any Majin Boo, really. We could try to rationalize this in many possible ways, like Trunks not knowing any forms of Majin Boo besides Evil Boo and Fat Boo, Pan only knowing Fat Boo, or as I believe Pure Boo. But there is no problem with people assuming Gohan Boo and Gotenks Boo are Majin Boo. It's still inside his capabilities to power-up by absorbing powerful people and Rildo seems to have a similar ability when absorbing fluid metal.

Right, but he was claiming there was solid proof he meant Gohan Buu...while I was saying there wasn't any definitive proof for any particular form of Buu.

[ahill1]

As I said in another topic...Rild's initial display of power is enough for Goku to tell his ki is larger than Majin Boo's. It could be any Majin Boo, really. We could try to rationalize this in many possible ways, like Trunks not knowing any forms of Majin Boo besides Evil Boo and Fat Boo, Pan only knowing Fat Boo, or as I believe Pure Boo. But there is no problem with people assuming Gohan Boo and Gotenks Boo are Majin Boo. It's still inside his capabilities to power-up by absorbing powerful people and Rildo seems to have a similar ability when absorbing fluid metal.

Right, but he was claiming there was solid proof he meant Gohan Buu...while I was saying there wasn't any definitive proof for any particular form of Buu.

SSJ Vegetto is a debater lol. I should have specified better - my bad. Here he's called by SSJ2FutureGohan.

[Doctor.]

Gohan Boo is extremely weak compared to Beerus, so I don't know how that's proof of anything.

Hell, BoG arc Vegetto is extremely weak compared to Beerus.

[ahill1]

Gohan Boo is extremely weak compared to Beerus, so I don't know how that's proof of anything.

Hell, BoG arc Vegetto is extremely weak compared to Beerus.

Vegeta forced Beerus to use 10% of their strength, unless furious Vegeta is stronger than Buuhan.

[Doctor.]

Gohan Boo is extremely weak compared to Beerus, so I don't know how that's proof of anything.

Hell, BoG arc Vegetto is extremely weak compared to Beerus.

Vegeta forced Beerus to use 10% of their strength, unless furious Vegeta is stronger than Buuhan.

He is. Enraged Vegeta is at the very least as strong as SS Vegetto.

[ahill1]

Gohan Boo is extremely weak compared to Beerus, so I don't know how that's proof of anything.

Hell, BoG arc Vegetto is extremely weak compared to Beerus.

Vegeta forced Beerus to use 10% of their strength, unless furious Vegeta is stronger than Buuhan.

He is. Enraged Vegeta is at the very least as strong as SS Vegetto.

Yeah I really don't know.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I'm not sure why you would assume Gokuu would compare Rild to one of the only versions of Buu he didn't directly fight as himself. It makes much more sense that he is either comparing him to Kid Buu or Mr. Buu, the former because he fought him for the longest period, and the latter because he's been living with him forever and understands his power well.

Innocent Boo and Pure Boo don't work because General Rild was stronger than Gohan, who trained in between Z and GT.

General Rild > GT Base Gohan > Evil Boo >>...>> Pure Boo >> Innocent Boo

At the very least, General Rild would be reaching Gotenks-Boo levels, at which point it's a bit ridiculous to have the comparison made to Gotenks-Boo instead of Gohan-Boo.

[supercat]

I'm not sure why you would assume Gokuu would compare Rild to one of the only versions of Buu he didn't directly fight as himself. It makes much more sense that he is either comparing him to Kid Buu or Mr. Buu, the former because he fought him for the longest period, and the latter because he's been living with him forever and understands his power well.

I'm going to have to agree with you on this. The vast majority of Buuhan's power was being extrapolated from Gohan, so using this particular incarnation of Buu as a comparison is nothing short of dropping the latter's name. Additionally, I'm sure Goku would have taken an extra second or two to mention the fact that Rild even towers over Buu during the time Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks were absorbed. Tacking on four more fighters would only serve to amplify the prominence of their new opponent that much more in my opinion.

I feel GT fans have the tendency to overly complicate simple comparisons to justify all the unproven power increases the show seemed to shamelessly have an abundance of.

When all is said and done, Final Form Rild is Super Buu-tier at best in my opinion.

Buuhan > Buutenks > Buff Buu > Buuccolo > Super Buu > / = Final Form Rild > Second Form Rild > Base Rild > / = Kid Buu or even Mr. Buu.

or

Kid Buu > Base Rild > Mr. Buu

[Hugo Boss]

The vast majority of Buuhan's power was being extrapolated from Gohan, so using this particular incarnation of Buu as a comparison is nothing short of dropping the latter's name.

Well, the majority of Cell's power was being extrapolated from No. 17 and No. 18, that doesn't stop us from calling him Cell. The same could be said from Bebi, since most of his power came from Vegeta, or Rild, whose most of his power comes from Planet M2 itself.

[Doctor.]

Innocent Boo and Pure Boo don't work because General Rild was stronger than Gohan, who trained in between Z and GT.

He didn't train between the Boo arc and the epilogue.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

He didn't train between the Boo arc and the epilogue.

That sounds like grasping to be honest. We only know he didn't train because of new material like Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F'.

By the time GT was being made / came out, there was nothing that really established he hadn't trained, it was only assumed by fans because it's just in Gohan's nature.

So if they write that he trained, do you think they're trying to tell us he's actually weaker? They intended for us to think Gohan was weaker without any given indication, and then tell us he trained to further reinforce the notion?

Even if you are going to subscribe to Gohan getting weaker at the epilogue of Z in GT's continuity, Gohan slacked off for 7 years after the Cell Games and didn't lose that much power, he at least retained over half of his power. So in 10 years, I'll just take an estimate and say he lost maybe half of his power (just a ballpark figure). You don't think Gohan could regain that strenght in 5 whole years?

[Doctor.]

No, because assuming how strong Gohan could get due to his 5-year training is just that, an assumption. The same thing applies to how much his power decreased in those 10 years. I think the fairest thing to do is say Gohan's at the same level he was back in the Boo arc, unless you want to get into the whole "but he's using SS" debate, which I don't intend to.

With that in mind, it's certainly possible that Rild is around Gotenks Boo's level. But why does it necessarily mean that Goku had to have been comparing him to Gohan Boo, just because comparing him to Gotenks Boo doesn't make sense? He could have been comparing him to Kid Boo and his statement would have still been true. Saying Rild is stronger than Gohan Boo just because "comparing him to Gotenks Boo doesn't make sense" is reaching.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Assuming he even lost power in the first place isn't?

When you say Gohan is at the same power as he was back in the Boo arc, do you mean Ultimate or pre-Ultimate?

Pure Boo and Innocent Boo would make sense from a narrative standpoint because the former is the final, original Boo, and the latter is the Boo living back on Earth that they casually call "Boo". But as I already explained, those don't work unless you twist 5 to 15 years of training into going from above Evil Boo to below Innocent Boo.

The reason Gotenks-Boo wouldn't work as well as Gohan-Boo is because, is that all that logical? If you're going to make the guy such a big deal and so strong, why have him second best when you can just make him the best / strongest? Especially when there's already a relatively small difference between the two forms of Boo in the first place.

You can believe Goku was comparing him to Gotenks-Boo if you wish, but even if you, with Rild being stronger than Gotenks-Boo and Base Goku being slightly stronger than that, Base Goku will already be reaching Gohan-Boo tier.

[Doctor.]

Assuming he even lost power in the first place isn't?

The same thing applies to how much his power decreased in those 10 years.

When you say Gohan is at the same power as he was back in the Boo arc, do you mean Ultimate or pre-Ultimate?

Pure Boo and Innocent Boo would make sense from a narrative standpoint because the former is the final, original Boo, and the latter is the Boo living back on Earth that they casually call "Boo". But as I already explained, those don't work unless you twist 5 to 15 years of training into going from above Evil Boo to below Innocent Boo.

The reason Gotenks-Boo wouldn't work as well as Gohan-Boo is because, is that all that logical? If you're going to make the guy such a big deal and so strong, why have him second best when you can just make him the best / strongest? Especially when there's already a relatively small difference between the two forms of Boo in the first place.

You can believe Goku was comparing him to Gotenks-Boo if you wish, but even if you, with Rild being stronger than Gotenks-Boo and Base Goku being slightly stronger than that, Base Goku will already be reaching Gohan-Boo tier.

Ultimate, of course.

You didn't get my point. Listen, why does Goku have to necessarily compare him to Gohan Boo? Why does Goku have to compare him to Gotenks Boo? I'm saying Rild can be stronger than Ultimate Gohan and Goku could have STILL been comparing Rild to Kid Boo or Mr. Boo. Just because Rild is at least at Gotenks Boo's level, does not necessarily mean that Goku had to have been comparing him to Gohan Boo with that statement. That's why I said it's reaching to think he was referring to Gohan Boo just because talking about Gotenks Boo wouldn't make sense.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I said at the end of my post you can believe he was comparing Rild to Gotenks-Boo, I just said why I disagreed with the notion.

Also, I disagree with Rild being compared to Pure Boo and being stronger than Gohan. I thought you agreed Gohan is more powerful than Pure Boo?