Remember when Goku said Gohan is a better man than him?

[Doctor.]

Gohan is a better person than Goku.

Just not a smarter one, apparently.

Actually Beerus came because the Oracle Fish told him a strong opponent would show up that year. That opponent is Goku.

As for Freeza, the direct reason he went to Earth is because Sorbet told him that Goku was here (and that his power has surpassed even Majin Buu's). It's debatable whether Sorbet even knew about Trunks since no one in Freeza's Army survived the encounter with Future Trunks. It's true, however, that Freeza would still have decided to come to Earth anyway to try to find Trunks.

That opponent happened to be Goku. ANY other Saiyan could have been the Super Saiyan God instead. Really.

[Kid Buu]

Judging from a lot of complaints on how Gohan is handled now, it seems people only really like him because of all the free power-ups he got in Z that made him the strongest.

[Doctor.]

Judging from a lot of complaints on how Gohan is handled now, it seems people only really like him because of all the free power-ups he got in Z that made him the strongest.

People liked him because he was a well-developed character.

People are disliking him now because he has regressed.

[Marco Polo]

That opponent happened to be Goku. ANY other Saiyan could have been the Super Saiyan God instead. Really.

Huh that's not how prophecies work. The Oracle Fish saw the future. It was destiny that Goku would be it.

A fun consequence is the Oracle Fish probably saw nothing in Future Trunks' timeline (unless a version of Battle of Gods happens in the afterlife, in that timeline).

[ABED]

Judging from a lot of complaints on how Gohan is handled now, it seems people only really like him because of all the free power-ups he got in Z that made him the strongest.

People liked him because he was a well-developed character.

People are disliking him now because he has regressed.

I get that he doesn't have the spot light anymore, but is it because he's not the main character or because he's not as strong? Neither mean he's regressed. His character went in a very natural direction. He's a scholar and has a family. It's an interesting change of pace for a character in DB.

[Doctor.]

Huh that's not how prophecies work. The Oracle Fish saw the future. It was destiny that Goku would be it.

The Oracle Fish never said "A SSG named Goku will appear", he said a SSG would appear, and that one happened to be Goku. They could have literally gave the energy to Vegeta or Gohan, and they'd be the Super Saiyan God instead. Goku's destiny was to die due to a heart disease, he overcame it.

I get that he doesn't have the spot light anymore, but is it because he's not the main character or because he's not as strong? Neither mean he's regressed. His character went in a very natural direction. He's a scholar and has a family. It's an interesting change of pace for a character in DB.

Neither, he regressed because he's being dumb. His ultimate power-up was supposed to serve as development for the character, that he understood that being lazy and not training put the Earth in danger and that he was ready to take on the mantle of protector of the Earth. He's not training now. Okay, I'll buy it that he doesn't want to. He's being stupid, however, when he has a piss-easy cheap power-up he can get at any time to become one of the strongest on Earth, and there are alien invasions CONSTANTLY, and yet he does nothing.

It's not about being the strongest or being the main character, it's about the character being retarded. I'm not even a Gohan fan and I say they're using him in a dumb way.

[Marco Polo]

The Oracle Fish never said "A SSG named Goku will appear", he said a SSG would appear, and that one happened to be Goku. They could have literally gave the energy to Vegeta or Gohan, and they'd be the Super Saiyan God instead. Goku's destiny was to die due to a heart disease, he overcame it.

They'd have been the Super Saiyan God for like 5 seconds. Gohan would have been one-shotted by Beerus and pre-Whis-training Vegeta wouldn't have put up much of a fight against Beerus. An SSG isn't enough to rival Beerus, it had to be an exceptional fighter too which is what Goku is and what the Oracle Fish saw. Not just an SSG, but someone who can actually master the ephemeral SSG powerup and put up an actual fight against Beerus.

[ABED]

That power up was a very external change. If Goku hadn't returned, then sure, he probably would have continued, but when the person better suited to the job and enjoyed it more, he did what made him happy. I like that development instead of "it's my duty." It's refreshing to have a hero be happy. There were only two guys he wasn't stronger than - Buu and Beerus. I'd hardly call that stupid.

[Doctor.]

Vegeta managed to master the SSG and is about as strong as Goku, we know that from F. Rage Vegeta is STRONGER than Goku, and so is Gohan, Goku was a poor choice in retrospect. Goku is not some destiny child.

[dbzfan7]

Vegeta managed to master the SSG and is about as strong as Goku, we know that from F. Rage Vegeta is STRONGER than Goku, and so is Gohan, Goku was a poor choice in retrospect. Goku is not some destiny child.

I'd have no complaints if it was literally impossible for him to be helpful. I'd love Piccolo or the humans to be extremely relevant again, but it's kind of impossible for them until some plot element is invented so they can be. We have a super happy fun time circle that has yet to have any limits described to it. Anyone can use it. Yet only Goku and Vegeta have. Throw away a line like a god can't take part in the ritual, and there ya go Gohan and the other saiyans don't come off as incompetent. After several years of dangers, a future Gohan is working towards, and a child who's life will always be on the line, and he does nothing. There is no future career, no loving wife, no child, no future for said child if the world is destroyed. You'd think he'd want to at least secure a future for his family that will be threatened.

You'd think he'd realize the constant threat the world always seems to attract (even Goku realizes this). You'd think he'd take one look at his wife and child and want to make sure they have a future to live.....but nah daddy will do it for me. If he falls...well I guess my family is just not gonna have a future then. Gohan would be a much more interesting character if he didn't fight and train for enjoyment, but because he cares about his family. He wants to be scholar. He wants to secure a future for himself and his loved ones. He wants to keep things peaceful. He understands that to keep the peace, one must fight to preserve said peace. That's a million times more interesting than just being some family guy who does off screen things and wants to become.....something because we have yet to get what the hell he majors in or does. But again the stat trinity of importance is the rule of god.

[TheUltimateVegito]

Gohan is more reliable than Goku because, unlike Goku, Gohan doesn't have that drive that pure-blooded Saiyans do. Meaning he won't spare villains or give them time to be at their fullest for the sake of having a challenge. Also, Gohan did learn from toying around with Cell and stated that he was happy he returned so he can atone for his arrogance, something Goku wouldn't do. He nearly gave up only because of the guilt he suffered from being responsible for Goku's death. Although it can be argued that he didn't learn since he toyed around with Super Buu.

[GeeRod]

I don't have a problem about how Gohan is handled right now. He is not a fighter since Cell's death, well actually, he never was. He stated that wanted to be scientist(if I remember correctly) as a kid. People don't understand that Gohan is VERY different from Goku. We already have two saiyajins that are crazy about fighting, why we need another one? Just let Gohan be a husband and a father, we got Vegeta and Goku to fight for earth's protection.

[Lunatic Fringe]

Gohan is more reliable than Goku because, unlike Goku, Gohan doesn't have that drive that pure-blooded Saiyans do. Meaning he won't spare villains or give them time to be at their fullest for the sake of having a challenge. Also, Gohan did learn from toying around with Cell and stated that he was happy he returned so he can atone for his arrogance, something Goku wouldn't do. He nearly gave up only because of the guilt he suffered from being responsible for Goku's death. Although it can be argued that he didn't learn since he toyed around with Super Buu.

It won't really matter how Gohan responds to threats if he's not in a position of control to act upon his lack of detrimental urges.

[MCDaveG]

Well, right now, Gohan is on par with Yamcha, only that he can go SSJ
And I don't mind, gimme some more Kuririn.

[Kishido]

And fans are the reason for this after all.

DBZ would have been the perfect ending after Frieza saga... Instead let us go to the Cell saga and Toriyama twisting things to make the next generation aka Gohan being the hero.

People mad that Goku is dead and gone not da hero... So the next arc.

Buu saga was even more funny... Goku instead of owning Fat Buu puts his hopes to Trunks and Goten... Dissapointed. Gohan steps in as new hope. Dissapointed. So Goku has to save the day again.

Now the children are nothing more comedy side characters and that's it. Just look at GT... It was only a Goku show. Now at least we have Vegeta in Super.

So let's be honest... Even if Trunks, Goten or Gohan would take the spotlight. Other would start to blame it not being Goku/Vegeta and the other way around

[Cetra]

I remember Goku saying he can't do x and still was able to do it. Goku does often do different things from what he says. Which is why his línes are never as reliable as people want it to be.

[TheUltimateVegito]

Gohan is more reliable than Goku because, unlike Goku, Gohan doesn't have that drive that pure-blooded Saiyans do. Meaning he won't spare villains or give them time to be at their fullest for the sake of having a challenge. Also, Gohan did learn from toying around with Cell and stated that he was happy he returned so he can atone for his arrogance, something Goku wouldn't do. He nearly gave up only because of the guilt he suffered from being responsible for Goku's death. Although it can be argued that he didn't learn since he toyed around with Super Buu.

It won't really matter how Gohan responds to threats if he's not in a position of control to act upon his lack of detrimental urges.

Yes, but the possibly of him being in a position of control remains, which is what Cell showcased.