The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Lord Beerus]

SS2 Goku (BoG) vs Mr. Boo

We assume Goku got a bit stronger from the Boo arc until BoG and Mr. Boo is just a little superior to SS2 as it is, so who wins this?

I think Mr Boo would edge this out. Ultimately, his regeneration would also play a factor in how he put up with SSJ2 Goku.

New 52 Superman vs Beerus' supernova .

I think Superman would tank this. It really depends on how much power Beerus puts in his Beerus Ball (Supernova). If it's anything higher than 50%, Superman is a goner.

[Captain Space]

SS2 Goku (BoG) vs Mr. Boo

We assume Goku got a bit stronger from the Boo arc until BoG and Mr. Boo is just a little superior to SS2 as it is, so who wins this?

Depends how much power (if any) Buu lost by losing his evil half. If he's literally half (or less) as powerful as the original Fat Buu, Goku wins with utmost ease. If he's about the same and it didn't affect his power, I don't think Goku has progressed that far yet.

[LonelyShadow]

SS2 Goku (BoG) vs Mr. Boo

We assume Goku got a bit stronger from the Boo arc until BoG and Mr. Boo is just a little superior to SS2 as it is, so who wins this?

Maybe Goku did improve a lot between the Buu saga and Super, I don't see how, he didn't have any of the resources he could use in order to make the results of his training much better, like in the Other World, if he managed to train could be around the same league as Mr. Buu, but the regeneration speaks by itself, Mr. Buu should win.

Cell (After battle with Goku) vs FPSSJ Gohan and Goku (ate a Senzu), SSJ Trunks, SSJ Vegeta, Piccolo and Yamcha (he wants to help with the drinks or something).

[Captain Space]

Cell (After battle with Goku) vs FPSSJ Gohan and Goku (ate a Senzu), SSJ Trunks, SSJ Vegeta, Piccolo and Yamcha (he wants to help with the drinks or something).

The team would probably win, though it'd be very difficult. Cell was pretty confident of his chances even if things continued as they were--even if Goku ate a senzu and kept fighting. The only thing he underestimated was Gohan (even Gohan's SSJ1 power, which is why I say the heroes have a good shot here).

[Kaboom]

Cell Games Golden Oozaru Vegeta VS Cell Games SSJ3 Goku.

Goku ends up with a decent power advantage AND he's probably a lot faster too. He should be able to quickly overpower Vegeta or exploit the tail weakness before Super Saiyan 3 gets the better of him.

Butta VS. Frezza in a footrace (Each with a battle power of 10)
#17 VS. #18 in a who can kill the most humans contest
Yamcha VS. Tenshinhan in who can get a date faster in the city
Mai VS. Bulma in who's better looking
Perfect Cell VS. Dabra in a who can stand in one place without moving longer contest
Shura (Not sensitive to light) VS. 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai Tenshinhan
Meta Coola Army VS. #16

— Hmmm, hard to say. Freeza's slimmer and more aerodynamic, but I think Butta's longer legs will let him grasp victory.
— After the first few hundred humans, Trunks shows up to try to stop them. Fighting him distracts them and they lose their count.
— Yamcha's nervousness gets the best of him, while the ladies find Ten's apathy oddly attractive. Ol' three-eyes is the winner.
— Hmmm. I'm not sure. Further research via Scarz's blog may be required.


— Dabra gets annoyed, and tries to sabotage Cell by spitting on him. Unfortunately this backfires for him because as a statue Cell can easily just stand around forever.
— Uh, I'm'a pass on filler character match-ups.
— The Metal Coolas don't start out as strong as Sixteen, but they quickly CAN become that strong, and also there's like a friggin' thousand of them. Sixteen goes down pretty quickly.

- 1 Cultivar vs. Jaco (DB Minus), Chaozu and Yajirobe (Saiyan arc).
- SSJ Future Trunks (vs. Imperfect Cell) vs. Kaioshin.
- The Ginyu Force vs. Oozaru Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz (with indestructible tails).
- Son Goku and Piccolo (Saiyan arc) vs. Gurd.
- Grandpa Gohan vs. King Chappa.
- Krillin, Tenshinhan & Yamcha (Resurrection F) vs. Sauza, Neizu & Dore.

— Jaco might be pushing 1,000 in power level, and with Chaozu and Yajirobe backing him up I'm sure they could take out at least one Saibaiman.
— They're similar in power in my book. So it comes down to Trunks' superior fighting skills versus Kaioshin's fancy tricks. Flip a coin.
— The Ginyu Force's group efforts make short work of Raditz (15,000) and Nappa (40,000-ish), and then when they face Vegeta... well, I guess whether or not he lost power by creating a false moon will be a big factor.
— Gurd is weak by Ginyu Force power level standards, but I still consider him to be upwards of 10,000. That's several times stronger than Raditz or even Nappa was, so Goku and Piccolo are pretty much boned.
— My gut says Grandpa Gohan wins.
— The Earthlings are outmatched in power — the Armored Squad are all pushing 200,000 while I think even Kuririn capped out around 150,000. But with their crazy overpowered techniques, they may have a chance to win. Only something like 1 in 5 though.

Yamcha(21st Budokai) vs Goku(pilaf saga)
Chaozu(22nd Budokai) vs Goku(Baba tournament)
Chi Chi(23rd Budokai) vs King Piccolo(old)
Kuririn(arrival of Raditz) vs King Piccolo (young)
Goku(arrival of Raditz) + Kuririn(arrival of Raditz) + Roshi(arrival of Raditz) vs Raditz
Kuririn(vs ginyu-goku) vs Vegeta(vs cui)

— I'm gonna say Yamcha, unless he does something to Yamcha it all up.
— Hard to tell. Might end up being similar to Chaozu's match with Kuririn where it's brawn versus technique.
— If Roshi wasn't a match for Piccolo, then I doubt Chi-Chi will be either.
— Kuririn's still significantly weaker, but he puts up a fight before losing.
— I doubt the combined strength and effort of Kuririn and Roshi will be more effective than Piccolo.
— Kuririn could possibly win if he can use his Earthling amplification skills to overcome Vegeta's wicked durability.

SSJG Goku and Vegeta (BoG) VS Golden Freeza (RoF)
Kid Buu* (absorbed First Form Hirudegarn) VS Mystic Gohan (Z/Pre-BoG/RoF) -- No candy beam, any more absorbing, blowing up of planets
*Given that you believe KId Buu is weaker than Super Buu*
Full Power and Furious Mystic Gohan VS Super Buu* (Absorbs list below:)

— Goku and Vegeta's furious tag-team will definitely bring Freeza down as long as they can hold onto the Super Saiyan God power for long enough. Two 6's working together could totally take down a 7.5-8
— Adding Hirudegarn's power to his own makes Pure Boo moderately stronger than Gohan and totally able to win.
— SS3 Goku's power alone is already enough to make Boo a match for Gohan. The rest of them just tip the scales even further in his favor.

Buu Saga Kamicolo with Kaio-Ken (max 10) VS Majin Vegeta SSJ2

A Kaio-Ken x10 puts Piccolo's power on-par with Fat Boo's, and a quick series of brutal blows is all he needs to put Vegeta down.

Fat Janemba & Kid Buu tag team vs. SSJ3 Gotenks
Buunemba (Buuhan w/ Super Janemba absorbed) vs. Freeza fourth form (F)
Buugito (Buuhan w/ Super Vegito successfully absorbed) vs SSJG Goku

— Gotenks is several times stronger than either of them, so they're not going to avoid being beaten. But if Janemba then transforms after his defeat... Gotenks is screwed.
— By my made-up numbers, Gohan-Boo was already about as strong as true-form Freeza ended up. Adding the power of Super Janemba just makes it really one-sided and all but guarantees him victory.
— Again, they end up even. Goku will probably lose in the end, especially assuming he loses the SSG form and his power dips as a result.

- Piccolo (EoZ) x Dabura
- Piccolo (fused with Piccolo Daimao that was brought back with the Namekian DB) x Fat Boo

- Base Goku (EoZ without God power) x Coola (if overwhelmed can transform into his 5th Form)
- Super Saiyan Goku (EoZ without God power) x Full Power Perfect Cell (if overwhelmed can transform into his "Super Perfect" form)
- Super Saiyan 3 Goku (EoZ without God power) x Super Boo
- Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Boo Arc/Can use Dragon Fist) x Kid Boo
- Super Saiyan 3 Goku (EoZ without God power) x Ultimate Gohan (Boo Arc)

- Vegeta (EoZ without God BS) x Gohan (EoZ)
- Vegeta (Super) x Gohan (Super)
- Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta (Boo Arc/Super/EoZ) x Mr. Boo

- Enraged Full Power Ultimate Gohan (Boo Arc) x Super Boo-tenks
- Enraged Full Power Ultimate Gohan (Boo Arc) x Beerus

— I like to think that Piccolo's improved enough by Z's epilogue to make short work of Dabra. Someone higher up on an SS2 level would possibly still be too much for him, though.
— Even if King Piccolo's soul wasn't passed on to Piccolo Jr, there's no good way to predict how powerful a merger between them would be. I suspect it might just double Piccolo's power (reunion of two halves, etc) like I think it did when he merged with Kami.

— If Coola transforms, he wins. Without the god-power, I think Goku's increases would be minor and even by the end of Z he still wouldn't quite be as strong as 100% Freeza. Coola in his normal true form at maximum would be moderately weaker than base Goku by this point.
— Same deal. Goku has an edge, but it goes away very quickly when Cell transforms.
— Now this one's different. Evil Boo is still about twice as strong as Goku by my made-up numbers.
— Depends on if the Dragon Fist is capable of totally annihilating Boo like the Spirit Bomb or a big Kamehameha would. I seem to recall it blowing Hirudegarn into sparkly little pieces, but Boo could regenerate from that. I think Yi Xing Long DID regenerate from it in GT, too.
— See the Evil Boo fight. If Goku can't measure up to Evil Boo yet, then he sure can't beat Ultimate Gohan either.

— Hard to tell without knowing for sure if or by how much Gohan's power may have degraded. But assuming he's still got all his Ultimate power, Vegeta loses. Badly.
— Same deal. Gohan seems to still have Ultimate in Super, so sans any massive rage boost, Vegeta's still thoroughly outclassed.
— If Boo permanently lost over half his power, then Vegeta wins. If not, and Boo somehow got his full "Fat Boo" strength back, then Vegeta is still going to lose like he already did once.

— "Rage boosts" are unpredictable, so there's no good way to guess the outcomes of these two fights.

Now that we know Enraged Vegeta challenged a 10% Beerus:
SSJ2 Vegetto [buu] vs Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta [super].

According to my hastily-made numbers for all of the above... a hypothetical Super Saiyan 2 Vegetto would be roughly 2/3rds of Beerus' full power. So if Beerus at 10% strength/effort escaped unscathed from Vegeta's assault, then SS2 Vegetto's not even going to feel it.

SSJ4 Gogeta vs Beerus. I know, we can't really like, measure either of their powers, but SSJ4 Gogeta is a force to be reckoned with and I'd love to see how he'd take on a God of Destruction.
SSJ3 Vegetto vs SSJ3 Gogeta
Captain Ginyu switched with Final Form Freeza (Namek arc, not RF) vs Gohan, Kuririn, Piccolo, and Vegeta

— I'm thinking that if anyone could almost certainly hand Beerus' and Whis' butts to them, it's the ultra-heavy hitters from GT like Super Yi Xing Long and SS4 Gogeta.
— All else being equal, we're told that the Potara is a more effective and stronger method of Fusion than the Fusion Dance. I don't think it's some massive strength difference of 10x or more, but I'm sure it's enough that at equal forms Vegetto would clean Gogeta's clock.
— Freeza has some control over his power, but not to the extreme amount of suppression and release that Goku does. So I doubt Ginyu would have anywhere near as much trouble using Freeza's body and power as he did with Goku's. The heroes and Vegeta get slaughtered.

Vegeta Ssj2 (DB Super) vs Ultimate Gohan (Boo)
Goku Ssj3 (DB Super) vs Boohan
Gotenks Base Post (DB Super) vs Good Boo (DB Super)

— See my previous answer to a similar question. Without a rage boost, Vegeta gets his butt easily whooped.
— Same. Before the God-power, the general pecking order of powers hasn't changed.
— I don't believe base Gotenks ever came close to any form of Boo, and nothing Super's shown me has changed that.

Ultimate Gohan vs Legendary Super Saiyan 3 Broly ( )
Ultra/Buff Buu vs Super Janemba
SSJ Gogeta vs Buccolo

— "Legendary" Super Saiyan 3 isn't really anything special. Far as I'm concerned, it's just that Broli has naturally breached into SS3's realm of power, and so his trademark LSS form takes on SS3 characteristics. Power-wise he'd only be moderately stronger than SS3 Goku, and Ultimate Gohan could easily kick his ass.
— Janemba cleans house, assuming he's clever enough to figure out that complete eradication is needed to defeat Boo.
— Gogeta wins easily. He'd only have trouble with Gotenks- or Gohan-Boo, but Piccolo-Boo is WAY weaker than either of them, barely any stronger than basic Evil Boo.

1: Super Vegetto vs. SSJ4 Goku(GT)
2: Vegeta(Saiyan Saga) vs. Kewi
3: Nail,Vegeta(vs.Recoome),Gohan(vs.Recoome),Kuririn(vs.Recoome) vs. Guldo and Recoome
4: SSJ Gohan(Pre Z-Sword) vs. SSJ Gohan(FNF)
5: Kaioshin vs. Paikuhan(Otherworld Tournament)
6: Beerus and Golden Freeza vs. SSGSS Vegeta and SSGSS Goku
7: Android 16 vs. Imperfect Cell
8: Base Goku(FNF) and Base Vegeta(FNF) vs. SSG Goku(BOG)
9: Majin Vegeta,SSJ2 Goku,SSJ2 Gohan,Dabura,Kaioshin,Piccolo,Kuririn,Trunks and Goten vs. Bobbidi and Fat Buu(Pre Split)
10:Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta(Permanent) vs. SSJ3 Vegetto
10a: Tori-Bot vs. Whis,Beerus,SSGSS Goku,SSGSS Vegeta,SSJ4 Gogeta,Omega Shenron and SSJ3 Vegetto

— Based on what that GT anime comic's material said, I'm going to say this fight could go either way.
— Vegeta's the tougher and more skilled fighter than Kwi. It's a hard battle but he wins in the end.
— The heroic team wins, but Nail ends up doing most of the work.
— I would guess they're similar in power, but RF Gohan's skills would be even rustier at this point, and his opponent has vastly-increased "ARM STRENGTH."
— I think Paikuhan would win this one. Kaioshin could paralyze an SS2-level opponent, but how much can he do to attack at the same time?
— Both of Goku and Vegeta's opponents are stronger than them, even if only a little. They could defeat one of them in a 2-on-1 fight, but not both at the same time.
— You mean if their fight had continued? Android Sixteen wins eventually. Cell is going to gradually get worn-out and lose power. Sixteen won't.
— Working together they could put up a good fight, but without actually using SSGSS to tap into their own full godly power, I don't think they're quite going to win.
— It was pretty plainly said "no matter how many of us fight, we can't win [against Fat Boo]." Against some other opponent, maybe, but thanks to his insane regeneration you can't "wear down" Majin Boo by strength in numbers. You're going to need to be at least on his level of strength to stand a chance. So the whole team would be futilely throwing attack after attack against Boo, and he'd be bouncing back from all of them while Bobbidi also uses his magic to cause trouble. Boo and Bobbidi win in the end.
— By my arbitrary numbers, a hypothetical SS3 Vegetto would end up over three times stronger than Beerus' full power, while raging Vegeta's blows on 10% Beerus did no lasting damage. Vegetto vaporizes Vegeta by glaring at him.
— The Tori-Bot erases all of them. Literally. He actually pulls out a magical eraser and removes them from existence.

Beerus 10% vs Super Vegetto.

Once again according to my fantasy comparisons, Super Vegetto would be a match for roughly 30-40% of Beerus' power. If Beerus is restricted to only 10% then he actually loses.

Chaozu (Freeza Arc End) x 3 Saibamen
Chaozu (Android Arc) x Guldo

Yamcha (Freeza Arc End) x Nappa
Yamcha (Android Arc) x Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)

Tenshinhan (Freeza Arc End) x Dodoria or Zarbon (can transform)
Tenshinhan (Android Arc) x Captain Ginyu (no body swap)

Krillin (Freeza Arc End) x Recoome
Krillin (Android Arc) x Captain Ginyu (no body swap)

— For Chaozu being his "Freeza arc end" self, do you mean at the time when Goku actually defeated Freeza, or a year-plus later when he and Ten were wished back to life? If it's the former he's probably not strong enough yet and would get overwhelmed, but if it's the latter he makes short work of them easily.
— Chaozu's got the edge in raw power, but Gurd's crazy manipulation abilities seem better than his. The odds are in Chaozu's favor, I think.

— Again depends what you mean. Just after arriving on Kaio's planet, Yamca's probably still not a match for Nappa. After spending several months there training, he's totally got the fight in the bag.
—I'm thinking Yamcha can win, but it wouldn't be a shut-out victory.

— Same as above. Pre-training Tenshinhan would lose, but post-training Tenshinhan almost certainly wins.
— Only a well-placed Kikoho could win this for Ten. He doesn't have the raw strength to beat Ginyu in any other way yet.

— Kuririn's got this. He's officially at 75,000 when the fight with Freeza started, and by the time he was killed and later wished back to life, I think he'd be at or over 100,000. Meanwhile Recoome is down at like 40,000 or so.
— With no body-swap danger, Kuririn's mostly evenly-matched with Ginyu and can win after a tough fight.

Super Vegetto vs Golden Freeza. Is the power gap small enough that Vegetto can last until Freeza putters out?

Probably not. In my book he'd need Super Saiyan 2 to match Freeza's power and last long enough. With just SS1 he'd be only about half as strong as Freeza and probably get beaten pretty quickly.

Majin Yakon and Pui Pui VS ASSJ Future Trunks (post-1st day ROSAT)-- no light-eating or blowing up of planets

Shoot, scale Trunks all the way back to regular Super Saiyan during his first appearance, and he still wins with ease. Yakon was at best a little stronger than Boo-arc base Goku, who's still moderately weaker than Freeza, who Trunks killed easily. Pui-Pui's so much weaker than both Trunks and Yakon that he's not even worth mentioning.

1: SSJ2 Vegetto(Buu Saga) vs. SSJ4 Goku(GT) and SSJ4 Vegeta(GT)
2: SSJ3 Gotenks vs. SSJ2 Gogeta
3: MSSJ Goku,MSSJ Gohan,ASSJ Vegeta,ASSJ Trunks and Piccolo(all in the Cell Games) vs. Perfect Cell
4: Pure Buu vs. Grey Buu
5: 10% Beerus vs. SSJ3 Vegetto
6: Rage Vegeta(Super) vs. U.Gohan(Buu Saga)
7: Majin Vegeta vs. Movie 10 LSSJ Broly
8: Majin Spopovich vs. Chi Chi
9: Tagoma,Sorbet and Shisami vs. Dodoria,Kewi and Zarbon
10:SSGSS Gogeta vs. Whis and Beerus {Will Whis need his time rewind ability to defeat Gogeta? or him and Beerus is enough?}

1. Based on what the GT anime comic said, Super Saiyan 2 Vegetto would possibly be over twice as strong as either of these guys. If so, he'll probably win.
2. Super Saiyan 1 is all Gogeta needs to spank Gotenks and send him to bed without dinner.
3. They'd be able to overwhelm Cell at the power level he used against Goku, but his full power would probably be too much for them.
4. Pure Boo demolishes his skinny gray counterpart. He's stronger than Fat Boo while the gray one was only "most" of his power.
5. My tentative estimate is that Super Vegetto is about 30-40% as strong as Beerus. That's at Super Saiyan One. Super Saiyan 3 is massive overkill.
6. Vegeta gets in a few good hits but ultimately can't do much.
7. Broli's got just a little too much of a power advantage for Vegeta to overcome alone. But team him up with SS2 Goku or even Gohan and they take the big oaf down.
8. I dunno. I think Chi-Chi's got more raw power, but I'm not sure if any damage she does will last.
9. Sorbet's a talented leader, but I got the impression he's not much of a fighter himself. We also don't have an estimate of his power level like with Tagoma or Shisami. So I think the old-school team wins this fight.
10. As long as the Fusion at least adds Goku and Vegeta's power together, then SSGSS Gogeta would be a more-or-less even match for Whis. But unless Gogeta ends up way, WAY stronger, like twice Whis' strength or more, the god and his servant-master will still be able to take him down together.

Buu Arc SSJ3 Goku (in Otherworld body) VS Good/Mr. Buu (absorbed Buu Arc Piccolo, Post-ROSAT SSJ Kid Goten and Trunks, Android 17 and 18, Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu, Paikuhan, and Olibu) -- no candy beams, any more absorbing, Tribeams/Kienzans, Solar Flares, or planet busting
Base Future Trunks (first appearance) VS Majin Yakon

— If you mean full-powered Fat Boo, then the absorptions (mostly the combo of Paikuhan, Piccolo, and the twerps) put him more or less on SS3 Goku's level. Goku can still win, but it's going to be a real struggle, almost as tough as his fight with Pure Boo.
— Trunks could easily win with Super Saiyan, but without it he's massively outmatched and gets slaughtered.

Lord Slug vs Second form Freeza
Full-power Bojack vs Broly (movie

— I like to equate Slug's various forms' power to that of Ginyu and Freeza in his lower forms. Full-power Slug is equivalent to only first-form Freeza and loses badly, but Giant Slug is a match for Freeza's second-form.
— Basically equals in power, but Bojack's not a rampaging idiot. He's got a 50/50 shot of overcoming Broli's forceful and straightforward fighting "style" if he's smart.

Super Saiyan Mr. Satan vs Master Roshi.

Whatever Mr. Satan's power ends up being, I'm sure Roshi can still win by bulking up.

Mr. Satan (Cell Games) vs. Spike Spiegel

Take away Spike's guns and he's dead. Give him his guns and Satan is dead.

I concur. Makes sense.

Mystic Gohan (Z/Pre-BoG) VS Good/Mr. Buu (absorbed Post-ROSAT SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Majin Vegeta, Piccolo, Androids 17 and 18, Paikuhan, Olibu, Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu)
Super Buu VS Kid Buu, Pre-Split Fat Buu, Evil Skinny Gray Buu, and Good/Mr. Buu
Eastern Supreme Kai VS ASSJ Future Trunks (post-1st day ROSAT)

— Boo's power increases hugely through all these absorptions (mostly from SS3 Gotenks, SS3 Goku, and Paikuhan), and he's more than a match for Gohan.
— Evil Boo's just got way too much of a power advantage over his three compatriots, and can defeat them rather easily.
— Grade 2 Trunks is significantly weaker than Kaioshin, probably less than half his strength. He gets beaten pretty badly.

Mystic Yamcha vs Majin Chiaotzu

Yamcha already starts out significantly stronger than Chaozu, but then the former's power is brought WAY past his current limits, while the latter's is brought out only to or somewhat past it. Yamcha wins unless he Yamchas it up.

Bulchi (Bulma + Chi-Chi Metamora fusion) vs. Ludel (Videl + Lunch Potara fusion)

"Bulchi" loses automatically because Bulma and Chi-Chi's power levels are way too different to even perform the Fusion Dance in the first place. Bulma's a normal human with a PL in the single-digits, while Chi-Chi's a trained Turtle School fighter with a PL of over 100. Chi-Chi somehow lowering her power won't work, because Goku plainly says that you need to be similar in power to even be compatible, and then exactly matching your power is just part of performing the technique.

Golden Freeza VS Super Yi Xing Long.

As probably already mentioned earlier in this post, if there's anyone who I'd bet is stronger than the new god-level characters, it'd be the insanely overpowered end-game GT characters, such as Super Yi Xing Long.

- Base Goku (EoZ) x Base Vegeta (EoZ)
- Base Vegeta (RoF) x Ultimate Gohan (Boo Arc)
- Golden Freeza x SSJG Goku (BoG)
- King Vegeta x Bardock
- Krillin (RoF) x First Form Freeza (Namek Arc)
- Mutenroshi (RoF) x Nappa
- SSJ3 Goku (GT) x Super Janemba and Hirudegarn
- Tenshinhan (RoF) x First Form Freeza (Namek Arc)

— Who knows? I'm sure they've both improved, but it's a mystery by how much. Could go either way.
— Odds are that Vegeta's the more powerful one by a pretty wide margin. Even if they're close in power he'd probably win anyway.
— Freeza's going to have even more of a power advantage than he did in their actual fight, and Goku's going to lose the god form's full power after a little while anyway, most likely well before Freeza's power starts to dip. Freeza ends up winning.
— Hard to tell. We're never given a power level for King Vegeta, but supposedly he was still stronger than Bardock's 10,000 since we're told Saiyan leadership was determined by strength. I'd wager he was around 12,000, so in an actual fight Bardock's chances of winning would be pretty small.
— Kuririn capped out around 150,000 in my book, so 1st-form Freeza's 530,000 is still more than he can overcome with his own raw power. His only hope is landing a well-placed Kienzan.
— I'm'a give this to Muten Roshi, but overcoming Nappa's insane durability would be difficult.
— GT Goku loses badly until he drops to base form, then he inexplicably wins.
— Same deal as Kuririn. A successful Kikoho is his only possible way to win.

Beerus with Kaioken x2 vs Whis

Beerus has the power advantage, but Whis is the better fighter (especially with that crazy "move by instinct" thing he can do), so it could go either way.

1: Goku(BOZ) vs. Piccolo(BOZ)
2: Yamcha(Saiyan Saga) vs. Raditz vs. Saibaman (No Suicide)
3: Tenshinhan(FNF) vs. Krillin(FNF)
4: Enraged SSGSS Vegeta(Permanent) vs. 100% Beerus
5: SSJ3 Raditz vs. 1st Form Freeza (Pre Training)
6: Mystic Freeza vs. Whis,Beerus,SSGSS Goku and SSGSS Vegeta
7: Piccolo(Cell Games) with Kaioken x10 vs. Super Perfect Cell
8: Good Buu vs. Grey Buu vs. Fat Buu vs. Super Buu vs. Buff Buu vs. Buucolo vs. Buutenks vs. Buuhan vs. Kid Buu
9: Future Trunks(Mecha Freeza Saga) and Yardrat Goku vs. Future Android 17 and 18
10: Super Saiyan God Goku(GT) vs. SSJ4 Gogeta

1. Goku already beat Piccolo once when they were near-equals, so he can certainly do it again.
2. You mean in a 3-fighter free-for-all? Yamcha may emerge victorious as long as he doesn't Yamcha it all up in some way.
3. Until we're told otherwise, Kuririn remains the strongest Earthling, and can beat Tenshinhan in a one-on-one fight.
4. "Rage boosts" aren't predictable. Pass.
5. Raditz will have a slight power advantage (600,000 Vs 530,000), but I'm sure Freeza is the better fighter so I doubt Raditz can finish him off before SS3's power drain screws him over.
6. The "Ultimate" power-up depends on dormant power, and I can't be sure how far that would bring Freeza compared to his training and use of his "Golden" form.
7. The Kaio-Ken x10 makes Piccolo almost twice as strong as Cell, and with that much of a power edge he can win the fight easily.
8. Another melee? Most of the other Boos are vaporized in the crossfire of Gotenks-Boo and Gohan-Boo's battle. They then purposely finish off Evil Boo and "Buff" Boo, the only survivors... then choose to chill together instead of continuing to fight.
9. Paaaaaaass.

Chi Chi(23rd budokai) vs Roshi(Boz)
Nail vs Recoome
Piccolo (trunks arc) vs Goku base (vs freeza)
Vegeta(uub arc - 10 years after goku vs buu) vs Kid Buu

— Roshi's still got a bit of a power advantage AND he's got more abilities up his sleeve. Chi-Chi gives him a challenge, but he wins.
— Nail wins in the end. He's probably slightly more powerful AND as a Namekian Warrior-type he's definitely going to be more skilled than a space-thug like Recoome.
— Given the extreme growth he saw before the Androids' arrival, if Piccolo's spent these past two years training, he's going to be surprisingly powerful. I wouldn't be surprised if he's already at 5 million or so, and I think he could beat base Goku now.
— Unless Vegeta's gained Super Saiyan 3 during those 10 years, Pure Boo is still too much for him.

Kiwi, Appule, and four regular Freeza soldiers(1500 power each) vs Goku, Gohan, Kuririn, Piccolo, Yamcha, Chaotzu and Tenshinhan(Everyone how they were in the Saiyan Arc) - Kiwi and his team know their enemies can modify their battle power. Goku can't go past Kaioken x2.

While Goku keeps Kwi at bay, the other heroes (mostly Piccolo) systematically dispatch Appule and the other Freeza soldiers without too much difficulty. They then join Goku in ganging up on Kwi, who doesn't have Vegeta's insane durability and goes down pretty quickly.

1: SSJ4 Gogeta(GT) vs. SSGSS Gogeta(FNF)
2: SSJ Vegeta(Mecha Freeza Saga) vs. Mecha Freeza and King Cold
3: Future Android 17 and 18 vs. Present Android 17
4: SSGSS Vegetto and Beerus-Champa Potara Fusion vs. Whis with Kaioken x10
5: Majin Buu (Super) with Kaioken x100 vs. Beerus
6: Base Goku(FNF) and Base Vegeta(FNF) vs. Base Goku(GT) and Base Vegeta(GT)
7: Piccolo(Pre Nail Fusion) vs. Ginyu Force
8: Ultimate Gohan vs. Buff Buu
9: Base Vegetto (Buu Saga) vs. SSJ3 Goku (Buu Saga)
10: Movie 8 SSJ Goku (Movie Ending) vs. Perfect Cell

1. Gogeta wins, obviously. The power advantage is no doubt huge.
2. He's probably not quite as strong as Goku was after his time on Yardrat, so the combined force of both Freeza and Cold may overwhelm him.
3. If Trunks could fight "fairly well" against the Future Androids but got two-shotted by just one of the present ones, then I think there's probably a substantial power difference. The Future Android twins will put up a bit of a fight but still lose.
4. ...Pass.
5. Becoming instantly 100x stronger... actually makes Boo a little stronger than 100% Beerus, if I'm doing my math right.
6. ...Pass again.
7. If the combined efforts of Recoome, Butta, and Jheese don't overwhelm Piccolo, then Captain Ginyu himself certainly will.
8. Gohan still wins, I'd bet. Boo's power noticeably rising but it'd have to rise a LOT for it to match or outgrow Gohan's.
9. Vegetto doesn't have to be a whopping 400x stronger than Goku to be stronger than Gohan-Boo. Goku wins.
10. Do you mean when Goku wielded everyone's power and defeated Broli? That form of Goku MIGHT be able to beat full-power Cell too, but if he can't hold on to that power for long enough to be thorough, then Cell's regeneration will probably steal the victory.

SS2 Goku (BoG) vs Mr. Boo
We assume Goku got a bit stronger from the Boo arc until BoG and Mr. Boo is just a little superior to SS2 as it is, so who wins this?

From only a few years of casual training in a living body, I don't think Goku's improved all THAT much. If he's a 10 then Boo would still be like a 14-15, too much for him to overcome without Super Saiyan 3.

Cell (After battle with Goku) vs FPSSJ Gohan and Goku (ate a Senzu), SSJ Trunks, SSJ Vegeta, Piccolo and Yamcha (he wants to help with the drinks or something).

If Cell's still-underlying full power is hampered or reduced because of his damage from Goku, then the heroes' team can probably win. But if not, and his full maximum is still available, then they all go down hard.

[Lord Beerus]

Raging SSJ2 Vegeta (Super) runs a gauntlet against the GT universe. How far does he go?

Conditions:
- His rage boost is permanent
- He gets to heal himself after defeat every opponent

[Doctor.]

Raging SSJ2 Vegeta (Super) runs a gauntlet against the GT universe. How far does he go?

Conditions:
- His rage boost is permanent
- He gets to heal himself after defeat every opponent

He'd probably lose against Bebi Vegeta's final form. I don't think enraged Vegeta is that far away from SS3 Vegetto (who I personally place around the same level as SS4 Goku), but it's all arbitrary I guess.

[Captain Space]

Raging SSJ2 Vegeta (Super) runs a gauntlet against the GT universe. How far does he go?

Conditions:
- His rage boost is permanent
- He gets to heal himself after defeat every opponent

I'm still juggling two different options for comparing GT and god stuff...at worst, he defeats Super Baby 2 with some difficulty then gets completely trashed by SSJ4 Goku; at best, he stops at either Super 17 (if he lets 17 absorb too much of his energy) or Omega Shenron (if he fights smart against 17).

[Doctor.]

SS4 Gogeta with rage boost vs Potara of Beerus and Whis
SSGSS Vegetto vs GT SS4 Vegetto
Final Form Freeza (F) vs Rageta

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Final Form Freeza (F) vs Rageta

I use a 50x multiplier for SBG to SSGSS, so I actually have SBG Goku, SBG Vegeta, and Final Form Freeza all over 50x weaker than Beers, who used 10% to beat Vegeta. Vegeta wins this match for me.

[Captain Space]

SS4 Gogeta with rage boost vs Potara of Beerus and Whis
SSGSS Vegetto vs GT SS4 Vegetto
Final Form Freeza (F) vs Rageta

I mean...would Gogeta even get a power-up like that? Especially GT incarnation of Gogeta? Probably not to nearly as drastic an extent if at all; the god-fusion should win.

Gonna say the SSGSS one but...that's actually an interesting one since SSJ4 Vegetto, or indeed GT-haxed Vegetto at all, isn't...like, a thing we ever see. And might be interesting to use in other matches.

Freeza, I should think, based on him not completely being 100% dominated by Godku (who was probably not much weaker than SSJG Goku since his power "didn't drop much" after losing SSJG and he's now trained some), whereas Vegeta is under 10% of Beerus. (I personally put base RF Goku/Vegeta at about 40% Beerus, and 'final' form Freeza at about 30%.)

Final Form Freeza (F) vs Rageta

I use a 50x multiplier for SBG to SSGSS, so I actually have SBG Goku, SBG Vegeta, and Final Form Freeza all over 50x weaker than Beers, who used 10% to beat Vegeta. Vegeta wins this match for me.

That's a valid take on it, but just a quick question--that approach does imply that base Goku lost a lot of power between BoG and RF (since his base was closeish to SSJG level after SSJG wore off); so do you have even most of the extra base power Goku got from SSJG as being temporary?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

That's a valid take on it, but just a quick question--that approach does imply that base Goku lost a lot of power between BoG and RF (since his base was closeish to SSJG level after SSJG wore off); so do you have even most of the extra base power Goku got from SSJG as being temporary?

I suppose so. I agree the gap between Base and SSG is implied to be relatively small in Battle of Gods, but in RF it's implied to be huge. A totally wrecked Golden Freeza who couldn't even budge SSGSS Goku laughed at the idea of Base Vegeta doing anything to him, and Vegeta contradicts him by going SSGSS as opposed to knocking him around in base. You could argue Freeza was being cocky but nothing contradicts him technically so I take it at face value.

[Doctor.]

Yea, but a chain of "SSGSS > Tired G. Freeza >> base" can still be kept with a smaller boost, like 5, or even 2x, for instance.

Personally,

Goku: 3.6
-- SSGSS: 7.2
Vegeta: 3.55
-- SSGSS: 7.1

G. Freeza: 8
-- Tired: 5

As you can see, there's only a 2x increase (and this keeps in line with Beerus' statement about Goku not loosing too much power, and base Goku being able to handle Beerus well) and there's over a 25% difference between the base Saiyans and a tired Golden Freeza, as there's over a 25% difference between tired Freeza and the SSGSSs.

Only problem I can find is that I'd like to give Golden Freeza a 50x boost since it seems like his equivalent of Super Saiyan, but then his final form ends up too weak. He was moderately keeping up with Goku, so I think a 10x boost is alright.

[Captain Space]

That's a valid take on it, but just a quick question--that approach does imply that base Goku lost a lot of power between BoG and RF (since his base was closeish to SSJG level after SSJG wore off); so do you have even most of the extra base power Goku got from SSJG as being temporary?

I suppose so. I agree the gap between Base and SSG is implied to be relatively small in Battle of Gods, but in RF it's implied to be huge. A totally wrecked Golden Freeza who couldn't even budge SSGSS Goku laughed at the idea of Base Vegeta doing anything to him, and Vegeta contradicts him by going SSGSS as opposed to knocking him around in base. You could argue Freeza was being cocky but nothing contradicts him technically so I take it at face value.

Fair enough, that works. My interpretation is more in line with what Doctor said, that tired-Freeza is in between base Goku/Vegeta and their SSGSS forms (and if he was weaker, Vegeta A. probably would've wanted to secure his advantage, and B. would've wanted to show off, "Ha! See, I am divine, look at my shiny blue hair!").

Yea, but a chain of "SSGSS > Tired G. Freeza >> base" can still be kept with a smaller boost, like 5, or even 2x, for instance.

Personally,

Goku: 3.6
-- SSGSS: 7.2
Vegeta: 3.55
-- SSGSS: 7.1

G. Freeza: 8
-- Tired: 5

As you can see, there's only a 2x increase (and this keeps in line with Beerus' statement about Goku not loosing too much power, and base Goku being able to handle Beerus well) and there's over a 25% difference between the base Saiyans and a tired Golden Freeza, as there's over a 25% difference between tired Freeza and the SSGSSs.

Only problem I can find is that I'd like to give Golden Freeza a 50x boost since it seems like his equivalent of Super Saiyan, but then his final form ends up too weak. He was moderately keeping up with Goku, so I think a 10x boost is alright.

I have:

Base Goku/Vegeta: 4-5 (dunno how much their base would've improved from Goku's base post-BoG which I have as 4)
'Final' form Freeza: 3
Golden Freeza: 8.5
Tired Golden Freeza: 6
SSGSS Goku/Vegeta: 8

Though these are approximations (yours are more precise), and are based largely on getting numbers that are easy to work with and think about, which leads to, if you ask me exactly how much of an increase on base any of these transformations are, an answer of "...uhh...*shrug*".

[supercat]

1: SSJ4 Gogeta(GT) vs. SSGSS Gogeta(FNF)
2: SSJ Vegeta(Mecha Freeza Saga) vs. Mecha Freeza and King Cold
3: Future Android 17 and 18 vs. Present Android 17
4: SSGSS Vegetto and Beerus-Champa Potara Fusion vs. Whis with Kaioken x10
5: Majin Buu(Super) with Kaiokenx100 vs. Beerus
6: Base Goku(FNF) and Base Vegeta(FNF) vs. Base Goku(GT) and Base Vegeta(GT)
7: Piccolo(Pre Nail Fusion) vs. Ginyu Force
8: Ultimate Gohan vs. Buff Buu
9: Base Vegetto(Buu Saga) vs. SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)
10: Movie 8 SSJ Goku(Movie Ending) vs. Perfect Cell

-With a stronger multiplier at his disposal, SSGSS Gogeta would naturally trump his SSJ4 counterpart. At the start of BoG, Goku's base form was inferior to Frieza and his full power was a minuscule ant in the face of Beerus. A ritual and a few training sessions later, the blue haired Super Saiyan was actually considered a potential threat to the destroyer. Considering how GT SSJ4 was stated be on par with SSJ Vegetto, I'm inclined to believe that putting on the pinkish-red fur coats wouldn't grant the user nearly as much power as turning SSG / SSGSS would.

-I have Vegeta somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 million during Frieza and Cold's arrival, so a 50x boost may be just what he needs to snag a victory. That said, I'd expect this to come down to one heck of a slug-fest.

-Whether or not there were other factors (Future Androids running out of juice, holding back, etc.) involved, Present Android 17 was stated to be stronger than his future counterpart.

-Impossible to determine at this point in time.

-A mere 100x boost wouldn't to save Buu from getting one-shotted. Heck, I'd be skeptical about him winning even with a Kaioken x1000 readily accessible.

-The FnF duo one-shots with the utmost ease. Final Form Frieza (FnF), who I have worlds above SSJ Vegetto, took a pretty nasty beating from Base Goku (FnF). GT's strongest transformation is only on par with the Potara warrior, so there's not a thing in Kid Goku's arsenal that would save him from his superior counterpart.

-If Nail marveling over his newly revived brethren's power holds any value, it's safe to assume that Piccolo is at least several notches above the lackeys. As for the captain himself, I'd say this definitely qualifies as a coin toss-worthy dilemma.

-Vegetto crushes his less than ideal half without even breaking a sweat.

-Goku was able to trounce Broly, so beating down initial Perfect Cell would necessitate little to no difficulty. On the contrary, exterminating the biological android's super perfect form requires SSJ2, so Goku's lack of credentials would eventually cost him.

[Captain Space]

So, I've been playing around with the whole "GT vs. god-stuff" idea a lot recently, and changing my mind a few times...it doesn't help that I've only seen a few episodes of GT.

For the sake of trying to improve my accuracy in answering these kinds of matches posted on this thread in future, does anyone mind informing me as to exactly how drastic/large the various power-ups post-Super-Baby-Vegeta-1 were? (Since I do have a pretty good grasp on the Black Star Dragon Ball arc stuff and the whole "pinnacle of saiyan power"/"strongest ki I've ever felt" dealie with SBV1*.) Or if a run-down of such already exists (like a Strength Checker style thing for GT), could they direct me there? (If no such thing exists and going through the entire rest of the show like that would be too arduous, obviously that's fine, just asking.)

(*And as of learning that the Vegetto/SSJ4 comparison is from an anime comic and not the Perfect Files, I've come around to thinking that the SBV1 thing is a more accurate measure of Vegetto in regards to GT than that, so that alone has led to some rethinking.)

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

For the sake of trying to improve my accuracy in answering these kinds of matches posted on this thread in future, does anyone mind informing me as to exactly how drastic/large the various power-ups post-Super-Baby-Vegeta-1 were?

After Super Vegeta-Baby 1 is formed, he transforms into Super Vegeta-Baby 2.

(The GT Perfect Files name these forms "Strongest Form 1" and "Strongest Form 2".)

The GT Perfect Files compare this form to a Super Saiyan 3, so it could be argued the increase from SVB1 to SVB2 is the same as SS2 to SS3.

Oob fuses with Innocent Boo and turns into Super Oob, who's strong enough to somewhat put up a fight against SVB2. Placing him probably somewhere in between SVB1 and SVB2.

After this, SS4 Goku is formed and is strong enough to take every attack from SVB2 while using "the tiniest fraction" of his power according to Old Kaioshin.

Then, SVB2 transforms into Golden Great Ape Baby who was ever so slightly stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku.

I can continue into the Super #17 arc if you wish.

[Captain Space]

I can continue into the Super #17 arc if you wish.

Thanks so much! If you could do the other two arcs that'd be awesome (if that's okay).

(I didn't realise SSJ4 was quite so amazingly more powerful than SBV2, that is interesting.)

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Thanks so much! If you could do the other two arcs that'd be awesome (if that's okay).

(I didn't realise SSJ4 was quite so amazingly more powerful than SBV2, that is interesting.)

Yeah, no problem. I am going to keep this relatively short however since it's off-topic.

Spoiler:

Super #17 (post-10x KHH) >> SS4 Goku >/> Super #17 (pre-10x KHH) >> SS Goku (S17) >/< SS2 Vegeta (S17) > SS Vegeta (S17) > Super Oob > all of the other scrubs

I'll start of with Oob, Vegeta, and Goku's lower forms.

Depending on which form you believe Vegeta used against Super #17, that form should be stronger than Super Oob. Vegeta was praised by Mu for his resilience while Oob was lumped in with the trash like Gohan, Goten, and Trunks. Goku also was shocked at how easily Super #17 was beating Vegeta as opposed to how easily he was beating Oob. Vegeta also lasted the longest.

As for Vegeta's form, it's debatable. Gohan was definitely a SS2 based on his "it's been a long time since I've been enraged from the bottom of my heart" statement. Vegeta, however, I think was a SS1 until the end. Right before Goku comes, you can here a transformation noise twice when Vegeta powers up, and you see aura become larger than it was the whole fight, which makes it seem like he went SS1 then SS2. However, this person has a compelling argument for him being SS2 the whole time.

As for Vegeta's relationship to Goku power-wise, most will argue SS Goku is a lot stronger than SS2 Vegeta since they think Vegeta was a SS2 the whole time and that Goku's performance against Super #17 is conclusive enough to say he is stronger.

I however disagree, I agree with the notion Goku is stronger than Vegeta, but not that his SS1 form is leaps and bounds ahead of Vegeta's SS2 form.

Super #17 pretty much stated he was toying with Goku after Goku landed one good hit and then continued to kick the crap out of Goku, so I don't think Goku's performance in SS1 is all so conclusive, personally.

As for Super #17, pre-absorptions he stomped every non-SS4 and Goku was confident in beating him in SS4. He however, shot a 10x KHH at Super #17 before they got to fight and that powered S17 up to the point where he could easily stomp Goku and was even too fast for Goku's Shunkan Ido.

Since I am lazy and somewhat fuzzy on the Evil Dragons arc, I will get back to that later.

[Captain Space]

Once again, I really appreciate it.

I'll try and get scribbling on paper how this might all add up so far; what I eventually post in the way of conclusions will probably either be in the power levels thread or alternatively collected into a single post on here (since it is relevant to a lot of these matches and how I'm gonna answer them in future) to avoid taking up too much space.