Kai 2.0's average was 5.8, Super's is 6.2 so far.Doctor. wrote:Looks like Super is alternating between 6th and 7th now, that's probably where it will always stay, at least until the new arc starts. How did Kai hold up, on average?
I'm not really sure what happened last week either. I mean, it's good to the ratings back to normal, for Super at least at the moment, but all that does is make the quite substantial drop of rating across the board last week seem more like a freakishly strange incident.garfield15 wrote:Did we ever figure out what happened last week?
I'm pretty sure GT was likely going to be longer since SSj Pan and SSj Bra where hinted in the Perfect Files. GT was a big step down compare to DBZ which is probably why GT ended differently then what they would normally plan or why didn't do a new show after 1997.Bullza wrote:I didn't think GT was supposed to be a failure series. I thought the show was originally supposed to be about 40 episodes and then they did another 24 or so just promote the Dragon Ball GT Final Bout video game.
Just to wrap up the Pokemon conversation since we're being off topic. I also dropped it during Johto and returned to it during Diamond and Pearl. From what I gather from your posts, I recommend you give it another shot. The new girl Serena is a great character, with actual struggles and dimension, she's know Satoshi since they're were kids plus, she has a crush on him. The animation is always consistent and good, the fight scenes are dynamic and entertaining(why don't these animator work in Super!!!), specially gym fights. Some, let's call them mini-arcs range from decent to very good. One example is when Satoshi catches a Goomi, we discover it's traumatized and weak. It grows stronger and braver, later Satoshi releases it to face what happened to it in the first place. Good and rewarding. Team Rocket appears less, the weakest episodes are normally were they have greater focus. If you do start watching begin from this season first episode and do what I do, skip the non plot related episodes, that can get a bit boring and childish and have a fun ride. There's also Eureka that made find out Japanese children refer to themselves in the third person, she's also cute and fun.Chuquita wrote:I dropped the Pokémon TV series during the early Johto episodes (coincidentally because of similar reasons to my (complaints?) about them not replacing Satoshi and Team Rocket; I dropped it because I felt the plot wasn't going anywhere and they were never going to conclude the character arcs from Kanto and Orange Islands). I've been vaguely aware of them swapping out most of the pokémon and the rest of the cast (I also know that Takeshi returned, briefly, but I don't think Kasumi ever became a regular again. Worked out for the best though that I stopped when I did, child!me's shipper heart would've been broken; I used to root for Satoshi/Kasumi.). Competent Team Rocket sounds intriguing, I do wonder how that looks. I did watch that special a while back that starred Red and Green in place of Satoshi and Shigeru; Red's story was interesting.LightBing wrote:They did change his traveling companions and Pokemons, bar Pikachu. And for some time (last season?) transformed Team Rocket into competent villains, but returned to the status quo. It's silly, Pokemon Origins is awesome. They could make series based on the games with great success. It might be fear of the reaction of the fans, maybe a partially a cultural thing. Super has also been very conservative so far, even with the golden opportunity to improve and expand good material. I guess, "if it's not broken don't fix it", it's their motto. Bah..., just got reminded of Team Rocket giving their little speech every fricking episode!Chuquita wrote:I wonder if there was ever any official reason given for why Pokémon didn't go the Yugioh route and refresh the entire human cast with each set of games. I can't imagine Satoshi and Team Rocket are still around for any other reason than their plot-connection to Pikachu (who's probably achieved perma-mascot status and not allowed to be dumped from the cast). I imagine it'd be difficult to dump Satoshi and Team Rocket while keeping Pikachu around without the plot coming out unbelievable; like Satoshi giving Pikachu to a new hero and Team Rocket just retiring to go do something else.
As far as I know Yokai Watch is the "current hotness" for younger viewers in Japan, so Super beating it is pretty cool (especially considering we aren't at new material yet).
I feel like I won't be able to accurately judge Super's risk-taking/lack-of-risk-taking until we hit the Uni 6 arc; the reBOG and reF arcs feel like we're just stalling for time because the plot and character designs for Uni 6 aren't fully finished yet and/or making an ease-of-entry for people who don't wanna have to buy the movies to know what's going on.
Iwane Masa'aki, who provides a lot of the big action scenes and solo episodes for Pocket Monster, used to work on Dragon Ball Z as a key animator for Studio Cockpit. Iwane seems bound and determined to die making Pokemon right now, though. Oohashi Aito, another action animator for the franchise, does have connections at Toei Animation, though.LightBing wrote: Just to wrap up the Pokemon conversation since we're being off topic. I also dropped it during Johto and returned to it during Diamond and Pearl. From what I gather from your posts, I recommend you give it another shot. The new girl Serena is a great character, with actual struggles and dimension, she's know Satoshi since they're were kids plus, she has a crush on him. The animation is always consistent and good, the fight scenes are dynamic and entertaining(why don't these animator work in Super!!!), specially gym fights. Some, let's call them mini-arcs range from decent to very good. One example is when Satoshi catches a Goomi, we discover it's traumatized and weak. It grows stronger and braver, later Satoshi releases it to face what happened to it in the first place. Good and rewarding. Team Rocket appears less, the weakest episodes are normally were they have greater focus. If you do start watching begin from this season first episode and do what I do, skip the non plot related episodes, that can get a bit boring and childish and have a fun ride. There's also Eureka that made find out Japanese children refer to themselves in the third person, she's also cute and fun.
Returning to Super, if that's what they're doing, stalling, it's nonsensical. They had time! We were still riding the FnF wave. Why not plan it better, get some stuff done and deliver a better product. When the hype of FnF cooled off, throw Super at us.We would be dumbfounded. Instead, they just cut off the hype the movie was generating; this forum quickly forgot FnF when Super was announced. This whole retelling might lose them some people, and leave the rest of us slightly or very disappointed, with much less patience for Universe 6.
She/Her Really? I went through a bunch of episodes this year to finish up the original Pokemon series that had been stuck on my "On Hold" list on Myanimelist for many years. It's a horrible show, absolutely terrible, Team Rocket in particular ruin the show more than any other character has ever ruined a show. It's just the exact same thing over and over for hundreds of episodes.Pokemon is a pretty good show, remove Team Rocket and it gets vastly superior to what Super has shown so far.
Because Kai was ending. They literally didn't have time. Stalling makes perfect sense. Combined with the ease-of-entry factor, it was a very logical move.LightBing wrote:Returning to Super, if that's what they're doing, stalling, it's nonsensical. They had time! We were still riding the FnF wave. Why not plan it better, get some stuff done and deliver a better product.
Yokai Watch is more than just a kids anime at the moment, it's a big deal in Japan currently. The movie was a massive box office hit and it became even more popular ever since.precita wrote:Is it normal to see Dragonball only do slightly better than kids anime like Pokemon and Yokai Watch?
I'm talking about the current Pokemon series. Could you please update the opening post with the DVR numbers? I think it would be extremely useful, thank you.Bullza wrote: Really? I went through a bunch of episodes this year to finish up the original Pokemon series that had been stuck on my "On Hold" list on Myanimelist for many years. It's a horrible show, absolutely terrible, Team Rocket in particular ruin the show more than any other character has ever ruined a show. It's just the exact same thing over and over for hundreds of episodes.
I loved it when I was a kid but now it's probably one of the worst anime I've ever seen.
But they knew Kai was ending. Nothing wrong with stalling but do it better. People who haven't seen BoG, are better off just watching the movie and skipping Super. Not even for the casual fans are they making a effort. People like me, aren't going to give up on the series because of a few hiccups and lack of new material for a long period of time. This is just a money grab opportunity, they should show a little respect to the viewer and give a little effort. It will be a good exercise to analyze the ratings and it's evolution.irreality wrote: Because Kai was ending. They literally didn't have time. Stalling makes perfect sense. Combined with the ease-of-entry factor, it was a very logical move.
Don't worry Kai and Kai Buu were always in top 10. Super has more chances than them.Chuquita wrote:I hope enough tv viewers stick around for Uni 6. It'd be unfortunate to have that arc jeopardized because Toei decided to do tv versions of BOG and F first.
I would but I'm not sure what all the DVR ratings and rankings were or if they've all been mentioned. If someone can see the DVR ratings for each episode I'll update it.Could you please update the opening post with the DVR numbers? I think it would be extremely useful, thank you.
I checked the thread and Araki has been posting the DVR numbers. I checked the site and here's the numbers:Bullza wrote:I would but I'm not sure what all the DVR ratings and rankings were or if they've all been mentioned. If someone can see the DVR ratings for each episode I'll update it.Could you please update the opening post with the DVR numbers? I think it would be extremely useful, thank you.
I think is more a case of people not remembering Super was starting and failing to record it. Don't know when the site updates but curious to see if Episode 7 continues the 10% drop trend. It may hold up since Episode 6 is pretty good, people might earn a bit of trust on the show. This might indicate that older fans (I assume they are the ones who record it or a big percentage) are losing interest in the series.Chuquita wrote:That jump in episode 2. X3
Clearly VegeBul + slice of life is a big draw. :3
It's a percentage. The amount of households among the ones with a tracking device watching said show, which supposedly represents the whole region.precita wrote:What do the numbers actually mean, I don't get ratings.
If a show gets a 5.2 does that mean 5 million people watched that episode? Like do the numbers stand for millions? (8.5 means over 8 million and a half people for example?)
