Frieza powering up VS Captain Planet..I mean SS god power up

[VintageSaiyan]

Why are people so critical of the emperor of the fucking universe who barely trained and is able to destroy planets with a finger, catching up with SS God and not the whole bullshit "let's hold hands and summon some sort of stupid diety thing which is just a pallete swap of Kaoiken, based on a legend that never existed up until now"? The latter is much lamer.

[EmmaWinters]

Personally, I found the SSG ritual a lot more interesting than Gohan's Ultimate power-up, which few seem to complain about.

[VintageSaiyan]

Personally, I found the SSG ritual a lot more interesting than Gohan's Ultimate power-up, which few seem to complain about.

Unlocking someones true potential a la Guru > holding hands and summoning Captain Planet and completely minimizing the legend of the Super Saiyan. It's not even close imo.

[VegettoEX]

If your question from the very start is going to be so dismissive and vulgar, I'm not exactly sure what kind of legitimate response/discussion you are actually expecting from the greater community.

This is not how to conduct yourself. We've been over this before, and at this point I'm not entirely convinced you want real discussions.

[VintageSaiyan]

If your question from the very start is going to be so dismissive and vulgar, I'm not exactly sure what kind of legitimate response/discussion you are actually expecting from the greater community.

This is not how to conduct yourself. We've been over this before, and at this point I'm not entirely convinced you want real discussions.

I'm an angry old man.

[fadeddreams5]

If only it was just holding hands. They also added a 2 month old SSJ fetus into the circle jerk.

[EmmaWinters]

I'm an angry old man.

Darned kids and their hand-holding shenanigans.

[VegettoEX]

I'm an angry old man.

Do you want the privilege of having an account here or not? The decision is up to you. I take no pleasure in removing anyone from the community, but you don't seem to actually want to be here or enjoy posting here.

Please note that account bans are for the entirety of the website, and are not restricted solely to the forum. I'd just ask that you (along with anyone else reading this) take a step back and reconsider if you find any value at all in what's available to you here.

[derpgoku]

at least the ssjg transformation something hapens , when in gohan case ,is just gohan standing there the whole time ,nothing hapens at all , thats why i find it more interesting the ssjg ritual

[Doctor.]

They're both terrible transformations. To achieve Super Saiyan God, you stand around in a circle with five other Saiyans and hold hands. It came out of nowhere and it's an extremely cheap transformation that could be exploited tremendously, but for some reason it's not. I guess the whole "6 righteous Saiyans" thing covers up why it was never remembered, since those kind of Saiyans would be impossible to find, but I still find the entire method extremely stupid.

Golden Freeza is a bad transformation purely because the training was never shown. That's it. We are never given a reason to care for the power-up, we're never shown why it's so impressive. We don't know how much Freeza pushed himself to get it. Just imagine Goku arrives on Namek and can already go Super Saiyan immediately. That completely takes away merit from the transformation, but it still wouldn't be as bad as Golden Freeza because at least we saw Goku's training.

I guess I'll go with Super Saiyan God being the worst one, just because the entire Saiyan cast besides Goku and Vegeta is being stupid.

[LuckyCat]

Golden Freeza is a bad transformation purely because the training was never shown. That's it. We are never given a reason to care for the power-up, we're never shown why it's so impressive.

SSGSS's formation isn't shown either. I admit not showing that sort of gain is a foreign concept for Dragon Ball, but it does spark some curiosity as just what happened in the background of RoF.

[Lunatic Fringe]

They're both terrible transformations. To achieve Super Saiyan God, you stand around in a circle with five other Saiyans and hold hands. It came out of nowhere and it's an extremely cheap transformation that could be exploited tremendously, but for some reason it's not. I guess the whole "6 righteous Saiyans" thing covers up why it was never remembered, since those kind of Saiyans would be impossible to find, but I still find the entire method extremely stupid.

Golden Freeza is a bad transformation purely because the training was never shown. That's it. We are never given a reason to care for the power-up, we're never shown why it's so impressive. We don't know how much Freeza pushed himself to get it. Just imagine Goku arrives on Namek and can already go Super Saiyan immediately. That completely takes away merit from the transformation, but it still wouldn't be as bad as Golden Freeza because at least we saw Goku's training.

I guess I'll go with Super Saiyan God, just because the entire Saiyan cast besides Goku and Vegeta is being stupid.

I know you have problems with Gohan but how are Goten and Trunks stupid?

[Doctor.]

SSGSS's formation isn't shown either. I admit not showing that sort of gain is a foreign concept for Dragon Ball, but it does spark some curiosity as just what happened in the background of RoF.

SSGSS doesn't need to. It's literally SSG + SS, that's what Goku tells us. What would they show? Goku fusing his Godly Ki with Super Saiyan? Golden Freeza is an entirely new transformation, completely separate from anything Freeza (or the members of his race) have shown in the past. We need to see how it's achieved otherwise it feels like it came out of complete nowhere. You know, like Super Saiyan 3, but even that is more believable because at least we know it's just another SS level.

I know you have problems with Gohan but how are Goten and Trunks stupid?

For the same reason as Gohan. I'm not as harsh on them because they're kids at the end of the day, but two kids who spent their childhoods sparring, and even trained for a tournament and for Boo... it's kinda dumb for them to be portrayed as slackers as they grow up. I'd think they'd be willing to get and master SSG, just like they were willing to train for SS3.

[fadeddreams5]

Gohan's ritual wasn't meant to be interesting; it was subtle and to the point--they were releasing his hidden ki and beyond (again).

The SSJG ritual is ridiculous, even within the context of the series. Firstly, it apparently involves "soul linking," not ki transferring. Wtf is soul linking?! Secondly, the participants have to be "righteous"? Note: this is not the same as pure-hearted. Since when has righteousness ever mattered in the series when it came to becoming stronger? Hell, the opposite usually happened: the saiyan became angry and partially lost control of himself, becoming LESS pure-hearted and righteous (e.g. SSJ2 Gohan) in the process. Third, they hold hands and form a circle, sailor moon status. All it needed was a "power of love" song. Fourth, it involves an unborn fetus that somehow gave her human host a SSJ-looking form. Lastly, after an overdramatic transformation sequence, Goku is revealed to be a fairy. He has magical clothing, bows on his laces, has lost weight, gained magenta hair, and looks cute. CUTE!

This transformation and form embodies everything wrong with the series nowadays, imo. In retro DBZ, I am sure the method would have involved something like 5 SSJs transferring their ki to a 6th one. Simple. No soul-linking, no holding hands, no fetus, no righteousness. They wouldn't have had to ask Shenron either. It'd just happen in the middle of a losing battle in a cool and (appropriately) dramatic matter, revealing a much cooler form in the process (no offense to fans of the SSJG cuteness).

[Cipher]

The Super Saiyan God ritual is certainly a departure for the series, and I wonder if it wasn't something in Toei's original draft that Toriyama elected to keep.

But I'm fine with a departure every once in a while. Dragon Ball's been pretty free-wheeling its whole life. It is beholden to no rules.

[Zephyr]

a pallete swap of Kaoiken

That's incorrect, though.

But I'm fine with a departure every once in a while. Dragon Ball's been pretty free-wheeling its whole life.

Pretty much this. A lot of the new stuff has been playing it safe in most regards, but this is one of the cases where it's actually broken its own conventions. Unfortunately, it seems with modern Dragon Ball, the case is damned if it stays the same, damned if it does things differently.

This transformation and form embodies everything wrong with the series nowadays, imo. In retro DBZ, I am sure the method would have involved something like 5 SSJs transferring their ki to a 6th one. Simple. No soul-linking, no holding hands, no fetus, no righteousness. They wouldn't have had to ask Shenron either. It'd just happen in the middle of a losing battle in a cool and (appropriately) dramatic matter, revealing a much cooler form in the process (no offense to fans of the SSJG cuteness).

I feel like if they did that, then people would be upset that the form would have been even easier to pull off.

[fadeddreams5]

I feel like if they did that, then people would be upset that the form would have been even easier to pull off.

It's actually harder to pull off because it requires everyone to be a SSJ, and they'd need to find a 5th one.

[Zephyr]

It's actually harder to pull off because it requires everyone to be a SSJ, and they'd need to find a 5th one.

Harder in some ways, easier in others, I guess.

[Doctor.]

Secondly, the participants have to be "righteous"? Note: this is not the same as pure-hearted. Since when has righteousness ever mattered in the series when it came to becoming stronger?

What's the difference? It's the same bullshit. Saying "you have to have a pure heart" or "you have to be righteous" is just as cliché in my eyes, except righteous makes the transformation harder to achieve because pure hearted can also mean evil (as Vegeta in the android arc very clearly put it).

[MCDaveG]

Well, I dunno, it's effing weird...
So, if you assemble 5 pure hearted people, who will ascend the sixth one, will he be a Super Human God?
I am confused a lot right now