Was _ really that bad/good as _?

[Singh is King]

NO. he is monotone, bland and doesnt sound like the character unless if he was a human version like what you would see on Deviantart.

Is Paul Dobsom really that bad as Zarbon?

I think McNeil brought more to Piccolo, tbh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qShWep1UhP4

He's okay, though the accent he used is a bit Aussie crocodile hunter to me.

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NO. he is monotone, bland and doesnt sound like the character unless if he was a human version like what you would see on Deviantart.

Because ladies and gents, let's all remember that Piccolo has to sound Namekian, whatever that means.

He was pretty good actually since he sounded more like a military elite than the rest.

Do you have a lot of experience around military elite? When was the last time Nappa commanded an army? Nappa's defining characteristic is his brutish savagery. He's big, dumb, and strong.

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are you ever going to stop bringing that up?
I've explained literally a DOZEN times what I meant by "sound Namekian"

hes not really military but I do get the impression he could pass as one.

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are you ever going to stop bringing that up?
I've explained literally a DOZEN times what I meant by "sound Namekian"

hes not really military but I do get the impression he could pass as one.

Yes, you have, but not in any way that doesn't sound silly. If we took your argument to its logical conclusion, literally NO other actor that has ever played a namekian is good because none of them sound like a completely fictional entity.

I'll stop bringing it up if you stop using that argument.
And what does a military man sound like?

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That would be a misinterpretation.
If I say an actor sounds human as a fictional creature it means he or she is not believeable as the character.
I'm not the only one to say "X sounds human or non human" just look at the Ginyu force voices thread. many people agree that Alec Willows sounded the most like a monster

I explained about Hollywood millitary men earlier.

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That would be a misinterpretation.
If I say an actor sounds human as a fictional creature it means he or she is not believeable as the character.
I'm not the only one to say "X sounds human or non human" just look at the Ginyu force voices thread. many people agree that Alec Willows sounded the most like a monster

I explained about Hollywood millitary men earlier.

And what is your basis for saying Sabat isn't believable as a Namekian. What do Namekians sound like? You never explain. You are plenty clear that they shouldn't sound human, even though McNeil sounds like a human.

And Hollywood military men sound like big dumb brutes? Are they the best example of what a military person should sound like? Do all Hollywood military men sound the same or are you just talking about drill sergeants?

When did Willows voice Ginyu? Ginyu's VA in the Ocean dub sounded human. And Ginyu isn't a monster, he's a humanoid mutant.

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McNeil doesnt sound 100% human to me but then we never hear the same things
I have explained multiple times, Namekians should sound more like aliens than humans although i give kid Namekians more of a free pass, you can give them almost any voice but just dont make them too human
I really dont think you followed the steps I laid out so here they are again
-go to deviantart or google images
-look up "Human Piccolo"
-Scott's voice clashes but Chris' doesnt.

There are different examples but thats probably the best known. Drill serrgeants

i meant Alec as Burter in the Ginyu force voice thread.

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McNeil doesnt sound 100% human to me but then we never hear the same things
I have explained multiple times, Namekians should sound more like aliens than humans although i give kid Namekians more of a free pass, you can give them almost any voice but just dont make them too human
I really dont think you followed the steps I laid out so here they are again
-go to deviantart or google images
-look up "Human Piccolo"
-Scott's voice clashes but Chris' doesnt.

There are different examples but thats probably the best known. Drill serrgeants

i meant Alec as Burter in the Ginyu force voice thread.

There are plenty of adult namekians. Why do kids get a pass, they are no less alien than an adult. You never explain, you just say they should sound alien, but not what that means. McNeil does sound human, but with an exaggerated voice.

I did look up human piccolo and it's nonsense. Piccolo isn't a monster he's an alien.

I hope you are aware that there are plenty of other military officers than drill sergeants. What you really mean is that Nappa should sound like a stereotypical military man. Here's the other problem, that's not Nappa. Nappa's a big strong brute. He's not a guy that shouts orders at his subordinates. He is the subordinate.

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What I'm saying is that you don't just slap on any old voice on a fictional race and then try and pass them off as the characteers.
Not to me, I know hes voiced by a human but its believeable as a non-human.

So what did you think?
Who fit human Piccolo more?
Whos voice clashed with Human Piccolo?

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What I'm saying is that you don't just slap on any old voice on a fictional race and then try and pass them off as the characteers.
Not to me, I know hes voiced by a human but its believeable as a non-human.

So what did you think?
Who fit human Piccolo more?
Whos voice clashed with Human Piccolo?

It's a fictional race, he looks humanoid enough that a human voice doesn't sound out of place, and McNeil's voice is human.
You keep using such vague terms as non-human but never bother to be specific about what you mean. How should a namekian sound?
Namekians are fictional, they sound however the artist decides.
I don't care because Human Piccolo is nonsense. Sabat's voice fits the design like a glove.

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He has humanoid traits but also some traits unique to the Namekian race. I can tell its human but the thing is the voice doesnt only fit on humans. Dodoria could pass as a fat humanoid if not for the spikes but does that mean he should have a 100% human voice?
Basically you shouldnt just sound like the actor as a cartoon cahracter. for me, a Namekian would sound distinct from humans, a bit more gruff, garbled, etc. depending on the character. anything, just as long as they do something unique or different with the voices. fictional races can sound like anything depending on biology and other traits.
We can only base that on the Japanese version.
EXACTLY, Sabat fit human Piccolo just fine, that was my point

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He has humanoid traits but also some traits unique to the Namekian race. I can tell its human but the thing is the voice doesnt only fit on humans. Dodoria could pass as a fat humanoid if not for the spikes but does that mean he should have a 100% human voice?
Basically you shouldnt just sound like the actor as a cartoon cahracter. for me, a Namekian would sound distinct from humans, a bit more gruff, garbled, etc. depending on the character. anything, just as long as they do something unique or different with the voices. fictional races can sound like anything depending on biology and other traits.

Dodoria does have a human voice, they all have human voices, and Sabat doesn't sound like a cartoon character, he sounds like someone with a deep voice.

How do Dodoria's spikes have anything to do with his vocal chords?

So, every other adult Namekian voice sounds bad to you? What about McNeil's performance sounds garbled? And Sabat used to be gruff, but you didn't like it apparently.

fictional races can sound like anything depending on biology and other traits.

Except human apparently.

Sabat's voice fits the design like a glove.

Sorry, I meant he fits Piccolo's design like a glove. I truly doubt the people that made the human the human Piccolo drawing did it for the convoluted reasons you are giving.

We can only base that on the Japanese version.

Wait, what?

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Which is as problem because he is not.
Not all of them have human voices, Oolong doesn't depending on who voices him, the Ginyu force don't depending on who voices them, Buu doesn't but his voices suck anyway

Nothing but he looks less human than he would without them

Never said exactly that x sounded y, just listed examples. It wasn't gruff in a way that enhances his performances and i hated it and still do because the acting was terrible and he does NOT fit

Theres a place for human performances but for me its not Namekians

No they didn't make human Piccolo for that reason but the fact is Chris fits human Piccolo more than real Piccolo

We can only base what Toriyama wants them to sound like on the Japanese version



Was Vic Mignogna really that good as Broly?

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Which is as problem because he is not.
Not all of them have human voices, Oolong doesn't depending on who voices him, the Ginyu force don't depending on who voices them, Buu doesn't but his voices suck anyway

Nothing but he looks less human than he would without them

Never said exactly that x sounded y, just listed examples. It wasn't gruff in a way that enhances his performances and i hated it and still do because the acting was terrible and he does NOT fit

Theres a place for human performances but for me its not Namekians

No they didn't make human Piccolo for that reason but the fact is Chris fits human Piccolo more than real Piccolo

We can only base what Toriyama wants them to sound like on the Japanese version

Was Vic Mignogna really that good as Broly?

Oolong is a pig. The Ginyu Force has human voices.
He's an alien but he has a human voice. Your point of contention is ridiculous. You can't buy a human voicing aliens like Dodoria, but you buy every alien looking humanoid and speaking the same language.

Your reasons are utterly arbitrary. What do Namekians sound like? What do we know about their biology beyond green skin, their lack of need for food, and ability to regrow limbs? How does that affect the voice, and how do you know how that would affect the voice? It's all fictional!

Toriyama's desires have nothing to do with it and being in a different language is not important.

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Alec Willows didn't sound like a human being, neither did any Guldo voice except Greg Ayres, Dale Kelly was the least human Ginyu
They mostly have humanoid figures but don't all look it all the way
Of course they would speak the same language in a dub
I can buy humans voicing anything if they at least sounds believeable

They don't affect the voice except maybe green skin which is what stand them out from people but in that case you would use your imagination and try and come up with a voice that fits and doesn't sound like a human 100%
The eldest Namek in ocean fit the character and could pass as a human

You brought up his desires first not me.

[Lunatic Fringe]

Mignogna was a good Broly. Sounded appropriately psychotic and brutish.

Was Eric Vale really that good as the WMAT Announcer?

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Mignogna was a good Broly. Sounded appropriately psychotic and brutish.

Was Eric Vale really that good as the WMAT Announcer?

Vale was fine, he simply needed better dialog.

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Alec Willows didn't sound like a human being, neither did any Guldo voice except Greg Ayres, Dale Kelly was the least human Ginyu
They mostly have humanoid figures but don't all look it all the way
Of course they would speak the same language in a dub
I can buy humans voicing anything if they at least sounds believeable

They don't affect the voice except maybe green skin which is what stand them out from people but in that case you would use your imagination and try and come up with a voice that fits and doesn't sound like a human 100%
The eldest Namek in ocean fit the character and could pass as a human

You brought up his desires first not me.

Dale Kelly was awful as Ginyu.

Guldo is far more impish and reptile like than Piccolo.

My point was that you somehow have a problem with an actor not sounding human, but aliens all knowing English/Japanese doesn't bother you in the slightest, do you not see the contradiction?

Sabat's voice sounds believable because the design is like a human with green skin and pointy ears.

Not by your logic since The Eldest Namek just sounded like an old human. Your reasoning basically comes down to not liking Sabat and coming up with reasons other than "I just don't care for him as an actor" in order to justify it.

I didn't bring up Toriyama specifically. I said artist in the general sense. Even if I did, the country of origin is irrelevant.

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To you maybe.

Yes he is but according to you he has a human voice simply because humans voice him

Those two points are not alike

Again its too easy to attach his voice to fanart of him in human form

I meant "pass as an alien" my bad. Dont act like you dont do the same thing with Peter Kelamis, Justin Cooke and many more

Okay but my point still remains

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To you maybe.

Yes he is but according to you he has a human voice simply because humans voice him

Those two points are not alike

Again its too easy to attach his voice to fanart of him in human form

I meant "pass as an alien" my bad. Dont act like you dont do the same thing with Peter Kelamis, Justin Cooke and many more

Okay but my point still remains

I'm hardly alone in that assessment, he's awful, the acting, the voice, the dialog is all bad.

The points are alike. You have zero problem buying into a fantasy of aliens speaking the same language, but similar voices are an issue. This is completely arbitrary.

It's a human voice because you can tell a human voiced him.

It's also easy to attach his voice to Piccolo.

I don't need to reach for ridiculous reasons like "he doesn't sound Namekian" and contradict myself. Cooke is a bad actor and so is Kelamis. I have zero issue with them otherwise.

No, the point doesn't stand. If the artist thinks the voice of an alien is human then it does.

McNeil uses the same voice he does for Piccolo that he did for Wolverine, just maybe a little more rasp at times.