The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[ekrolo2]

SSJ3 Namek Goku vs ASSJ Future Trunks post first ROSAT visit

Oozaru Raditz vs Goku post hospital Zenkai (no Kaio-Ken)

Post 3 year training Gohan vs final form Freeza 1%

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

SSJ3 Namek Goku vs ASSJ Future Trunks post first ROSAT visit

Oozaru Raditz vs Goku post hospital Zenkai (no Kaio-Ken)

Post 3 year training Gohan vs final form Freeza 1%

-Trunks wins because my arbitrary numbers say so?
-Goku's probably around this level, somewhat weaker or stronger, but he'd be much faster, Great Ape isn't efficient in battle really. Goku also has much better techniques, and Raditz is pretty much an idiot. Goku wins.
-Gohan wins easily. Base Namek Goku made Freeza use more than 1% of his power, and I don't see Gohan being weaker than that relatively weaker Goku.

[ZombieVito]

SSJ3 Namek Goku vs ASSJ Future Trunks post first ROSAT visit

Oozaru Raditz vs Goku post hospital Zenkai (no Kaio-Ken)

Post 3 year training Gohan vs final form Freeza 1%

Goku wins with almost no difficulty.
You do realize you are putting a 75,000 fighter vs one that at max is 11,000 right?
Gohan kills Freeza with one finger.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Great Ape is 50x base?

[ZombieVito]

Holy crap I goofed.

Goku definitively has a chance now.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Vegeta post Zenkai vs. Piccolo merged with Nail

Is it verified after Vegeta was healed by Kuririn's blast through his stomach that he had surpassed Piccolo? And do the Daizenshuu state this?

[nickzambuto]

I think the story verifies this enough. Vegeta was rightly terrified by Freeza's second form and readily admitted inferiority; he clearly wasn't being arrogant or stupid during the battle, yet after being healed he was ready to fight Freeza's final form. Sure he didn't do well, but the fact that he was THAT sure he had surpassed the second and third form says a lot. The beating Vegeta took is a feat in itself; it took Freeza's final form longer to beat Vegeta than it took his third form to beat Piccolo. That should mean something. And the most important verification; Vegeta was fast enough to save Gohan from Freeza's death beam, while Piccolo himself admitted that Vegeta was the only one who could even see Freeza's attacks by that point.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

I think the story verifies this enough. Vegeta was rightly terrified by Freeza's second form and readily admitted inferiority; he clearly wasn't being arrogant or stupid during the battle, yet after being healed he was ready to fight Freeza's final form. Sure he didn't do well, but the fact that he was THAT sure he had surpassed the second and third form says a lot. The beating Vegeta took is a feat in itself; it took Freeza's final form longer to beat Vegeta than it took his third form to beat Piccolo. That should mean something. And the most important verification; Vegeta was fast enough to save Gohan from Freeza's death beam, while Piccolo himself admitted that Vegeta was the only one who could even see Freeza's attacks by that point.

Awesome, and do the Daizenshuu have any battle powers on them at that point? I know the battle powers don't cover absolutely everything in the Freeza arc, but I thought they had numbers on Piccolo/Vegeta.

[Khin]

New Matches:
1: Vegeta's Final Flash against Perfect Cell vs. Movie 8 LSSJ Broly
2: Piccolo(Cell Games) vs. ASSJ Mirai Trunks(Post ROSAT 1rst Time)
3: SSJ Goten(Post ROSAT) vs. SSJ Gohan(Pre Z-Sword)
4: Base Gotenks(Pre ROSAT) vs. Android 16
5: SSJ Vegeta,SSJ Goku(Healthy) and SSJ Mirai Trunks(All in Android Arc) vs. Future Android 17 and 18
6: Buuhantenks vs. Anime Base Vegetto
7: MSSJ Goku(Cell Games) vs. SSJ Goten(Pre ROSAT)
8: SSJ3 Gogeta vs. Buutenks
9: Movie 10 LSSJ Broly vs. Super Perfect Cell vs. SSJ2 Kid Gohan vs. SSJ2 Goku vs. SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
10:Final From Freeza(FNF) vs. SSJ3 Vegetto

[h0kuten]

New Matches:
1: Vegeta's Final Flash against Perfect Cell vs. Movie 8 LSSJ Broly
Broly is about as strong as a full powered Cell, so he tanks it.
2: Piccolo(Cell Games) vs. ASSJ Mirai Trunks(Post ROSAT 1rst Time)
Piccolo was around 50% Mssj Goku level, whose around SsjG3 Trunks. Piccolo stomps.
3: SSJ Goten(Post ROSAT) vs. SSJ Gohan(Pre Z-Sword)
Base Gotenks is about even with Fat Boo. Gohan couldn't beat him. Gotenks wins.
4: Base Gotenks(Pre ROSAT) vs. Android 16
Gotenks Lol stomps.
5: SSJ Vegeta,SSJ Goku(Healthy) and SSJ Mirai Trunks(All in Android Arc) vs. Future Android 17 and 18
The Saiyan team should pull a tough victory.
6: Buuhantenks vs. Anime Base Vegetto
Boo stomps.
7: MSSJ Goku(Cell Games) vs. SSJ Goten(Pre ROSAT)
Goku stomps with ease.
8: SSJ3 Gogeta vs. Buutenks
Gogeta stomps.
9: Movie 10 LSSJ Broly vs. Super Perfect Cell vs. SSJ2 Kid Gohan vs. SSJ2 Goku vs. SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
Broly stomps. He's stated as stronger than either Goku or Vegeta who are the strongest here.
10:Final From Freeza(FNF) vs. SSJ3 Vegetto
Vegetto get's murdered from 10% Beerus, let alone Frieza.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

3: SSJ Goten(Post ROSAT) vs. SSJ Gohan(Pre Z-Sword)
4: Base Gotenks(Pre ROSAT) vs. Android 16
7: MSSJ Goku(Cell Games) vs. SSJ Goten(Pre ROSAT)
8: SSJ3 Gogeta vs. Buutenks
10:Final From Freeza(FNF) vs. SSJ3 Vegetto

3. Goten wins.
4. Gotenks wins.
7. I think they're equal so Goku would win without too much trouble thanks to superior skill.
8. Gogeta gets beat worse than Gohan did.
10. Vegetto wins. Gold Form Freeza would beat him, though.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

The last figure for Vegeta was 250k against 1st form Freeza. No level for him was giving after that.

There's no level for Piccolo in the Battle Power chart, but his profile says his Battle Power was above a million after merging with Nail.

[h0kuten]

I think the story verifies this enough. Vegeta was rightly terrified by Freeza's second form and readily admitted inferiority; he clearly wasn't being arrogant or stupid during the battle, yet after being healed he was ready to fight Freeza's final form. Sure he didn't do well, but the fact that he was THAT sure he had surpassed the second and third form says a lot. The beating Vegeta took is a feat in itself; it took Freeza's final form longer to beat Vegeta than it took his third form to beat Piccolo. That should mean something. And the most important verification; Vegeta was fast enough to save Gohan from Freeza's death beam, while Piccolo himself admitted that Vegeta was the only one who could even see Freeza's attacks by that point.

It just means Vegeta can take a good beating before going out.

[Absolute Ice]

Kakarot and Vegeta beyond Gods vs Janemba, Hirudegarn and all the Shadow Dragons.

[Sayo-chan]

Kakarot and Vegeta beyond Gods vs Janemba, Hirudegarn and all the Shadow Dragons.

The dragons alone would probably massacre them, but with Janemba? Who's to say he wouldn't warp reality into an indistinguishable mess? Goku and Vegeta end up not existing.

[h0kuten]

The only comparison we have for high tier GT fighters and the God tier fighters in Dragonball Z is Xenoverse, which states that only Gogeta would stand a chance.

The shadow dragons get absolutely trashed by any God tier fighter all at the same time!

Power-scaling is not relevant.

[Sayo-chan]

The only comparison we have for high tier GT fighters and the God tier fighters in Dragonball Z is Xenoverse, which states that only Gogeta would stand a chance.

That doesn't mean everyone here considers that comparison viable though.

[h0kuten]

The only comparison we have for high tier GT fighters and the God tier fighters in Dragonball Z is Xenoverse, which states that only Gogeta would stand a chance.

That doesn't mean everyone here considers that comparison viable though.

I'm just basing my opinion on what evidence we have at our disposal and not speculation.

[ahill1]

Vegeta post Zenkai vs. Piccolo merged with Nail

Is it verified after Vegeta was healed by Kuririn's blast through his stomach that he had surpassed Piccolo? And do the Daizenshuu state this?

Vegeta would be defeated badly; Piccolo is stronger than Freeza(2nd form) and Vegeta(post zenkai) is not anywhere close to Freeza's level.

Vegeta 480,000
~post zenkai 530,000

Piccolo 1,500,000

Vegeta is just an idiot.

[ahill1]

3. Goten wins.
4. Gotenks wins.
7. I think they're equal so Goku would win without too much trouble thanks to superior skill.
8. Gogeta gets beat worse than Gohan did.
10. Vegetto wins. Gold Form Freeza would beat him, though.

Goku thinks he could defeat Buutenks with a fusion Metamoru with his son; Gogeta(Metamoru) = Gokhan(Metamoru).