The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
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Android 19 ( initial ) and Android 20 ( initial ) vs Goku SSJ ( Yardrat Saga ) and Trunks SSJ ( Yardrat Saga ).
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Super Mira vs Perfect Cell
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This is a difficult one, but I'll bet on Mira.EXBadguy wrote:Super Mira vs Perfect Cell
I'm surprised they don't know each other.
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I estimate full power Xenoverse Mira as between Fat Buu and Super Buu (and he doesn't even have his transformation yet in that game), so Mira for sure.EXBadguy wrote:Super Mira vs Perfect Cell
I'm surprised they don't know each other.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Time for another ridiculously long catch-up post. I even skipped a bunch this time.
— Zarbon and Dodoria are similar in power, but very different in body, so I don't think they'd make a particularly fantastic Potara Fusion. They'd probably only end up a few times stronger than either one alone, more like with Kaioshin and Kibito. So I think the odds are in Kuririn's favor here.
— I'm thinking Chi-Chi will be able to outmaneuver and overwhelm Chaozu with raw speed and power.
— Trunks can win with total ease. I think he and Goten are right on Piccolo's heels in raw power, and that's within the low Perfect Cell range of power.
— They're similar in power in my book, but Bojack eventually wins because he's smarter, faster, and overall a better fighter than Broli the big clotheslining chunkhead.
— I think Popo would win. He's at a bit of a disadvantage in raw power (1,030 VS 1,200), but he'll totally make up for that with skill and technique.
— I'd say they're evenly matched in power (unlike Goku having a noticeable advantage over Freeza), with Vegeta maybe being slightly weaker than Freeza... but Vegeta is the more likely one to win. If not just through a relentless and brutal fight, then by outlasting Freeza until the 100% power drain creates a large gap between them.
— Boo's not winning this one, though. He's at best like a 2 compared to Beerus' 10. So the combined total of 12 is still going to fall short of Whis' level of 15, and be a little extra pwned by Whis' amazing fighting skills.
— I think Gohan was on-par with the other Saiyans in base, and only inferior due to lacking Super Saiyan. So WITH it he'd probably end up a bit stronger than Piccolo. But Piccolo is the more skilled one, so a fight between them could go either way.
— Beats me, since we don't have any predictable figure for Namekian Fusion (though I'm starting to think it depends on the type of Namekians using it). But I think it's a safe bet that Cell would hit an impassable brick wall against the SS3-level characters.
2. Super Saiyan gives Nappa a power level of about 200,000. He demolishes the entire Ginyu Force with ease. The only thing that might give him trouble is Gurd's psychic abilities, but if Vegeta knew about them then I'm betting Nappa would too, and would know how to deal with them.
3. Barring any Kienzan or Kikoho shenanigans, the Earthling duo get wrecked. I think they capped out somewhere between 100 and 150 thousand, which is easy pickings to Freeza at 530,000.
4. If you ask me, Piccolo and the Android twins alone may have already been able to take down Cell, if they all went at him together and Piccolo wasn't tired from already fighting Seventeen. Letting the 3 of them serve as backup for Sixteen, who's already a match for Cell alone, just dooms the green creep to defeat.
5. If Vegeta and Freeza are relentless enough, then they can probably overwhelm Goku before Freeza's power starts dropping and their strength in numbers disappears.
6. If Goku can comfortably and repeatedly pull off a Kaio-Ken x10, then he'll be able to lay the smack-down on Freeza without much trouble.
7. He's officially at 75,000 during the fight with Freeza. So if Ginyu thought 60k would be enough to pick the Ginyu trio apart, then I'm sure 75k would be too.
8. I'm sure Vegeta's confidence wasn't completely unwarranted. He may have underestimated Freeza's true form, but I don't think there's any reason he wouldn't at least be a little stronger than the 3rd form before it.
9. I'd bet Yajirobe's many times stronger than them. Even though he doesn't have much ki technique, I doubt a decapitation via his sword is something they can recover from.
10. They're pretty close in power by my book, each around or just below the 100 million mark. The fight could go either way.
— Kibito shows up 9 minutes after the Earthlings have all been messily slaughtered, just in time for Yakon to kill him too.
— Man, I dunno. If Raspberry's weak enough to need one of those blaster things, then maybe Tao Pai Pai would actually be a threat to him.
— You mean False SS Goku as he actually was from Movie 4? Nah, Freeza wins. I think Goku in that movie was as strong as his arrival-on-Namek self and the False SS hissyfit only pushed him up to about 2nd-form Freeza's level.
— Teen-age Goku from the 23rd Budokai could probably win, but my gut tells me that kid Goku would still be outmatched. Garlic Jr did give Kami a half-decent fight, after all.
— GT and its inconsistent wackiness. Pass.
— After blasting apart a few dozen Metal Coolas and getting bored, Goku realizes that the Big Ghetti Star is the source of their endless regeneration, and can sense the original Coola inside. So he teleports in, destroys the core Coola with one blast, and claims victory when all the remaining Metal Coolas explode.
— Zangya's got a huge power advantage over all the Androids and can wreck them pretty easily, even 3-vs-1.
— Super Saiyan results in a power level of a little over 400,000 for Goku, which falls short of Freeza's 530,000. Goku will do well but more than likely lose in the end.
— Piccolo's roughly twice as strong as King Cold in my book, and makes quick work of him.
— Goku and Vegeta put up a great fight, but will probably still lose due to the Androids' infinite stamina.
— If they go all-out then the kids win pretty easily. They're several times stronger than any of the Androids in my book.
— I'm gonna give this to Yamcha. He'd probably be pushing the Ginyu Force trio's level of power around 35,000-40,000. Only monster-form Zarbon could possibly put up a fight.
2. Gonna give this to the girl with borderline superhuman strength who can fly.
3. Vegeta might be at a disadvantage at first, but if Freeza's strength keeps waning then that won't last long.
4. Vegeta figured that himself with Kuririn and Gohan as backup might already have a shot at victory. I'd say the addition of the Ginyu folks bumps that up to a solid 50/50 chance.
5. Beerus emerges unharmed from the aftermath of the Spirit Bomb, rubbing his eyes and complaining that the bright light from it was annoying.
6. Gotenks spawns 50 Kamikaze Ghosts and sends them all careening at Gogeta... who stands still and blows them all away with a kiai. The explosions are a distraction to Gotenks, who never sees Gogeta zip up behind him and KO him with a single blow to the back of the head.
7. Vegeta wins easily. I think he was at least an even match for Stage-2 Cell, so Cell's lowest form is easy pickings.
8. Whis wins easily. He's got a big advantage in power over all of them AND has amazing fighting skills that even Beerus couldn't match at equal powers.
9. Vegeta and Trunks from the Cell Games at regular Super Saiyan would already be a little bit stronger than the kids. Give them Grade 2 on top of it and it becomes a decidedly one-sided fight.
10. They're about equal in power, but Coola's the more skilled one and can probably use his power better in his natural trained body than Freeza can in his mangled cyborg one. Coola wins.
— Could go either way. Coola's stronger than Freeza was and doesn't appear to share his stamina problems.
— Uh, who knows? Tao, maybe?
— Trunks is at a bit of a power disadvantage, but if he fights smart enough he could win.
— Gine's fault as a warrior was said to be her personality, not her power. I believe she's still probably packing a PL between 1,000-2,000 like other average adult Saiyans. So she could beat Yajirobe (970) if she really puts her mind to it.
— Rusty skills or not, Gohan's still got far too much of a power advantage here. He'd have to mess up really, REALLY bad to lose this fight.
— I'm sure Goku got a decent healing boost after fighting Vegeta, but there's no real way to tell how big it was. I doubt it brought him all the way up to or past 15,000 though.
— 1% of true-form Freeza's power would be 1.2 million, which is about what he'd have in his second form. Gohan at this point could defeat that easily. If you meant the amount of power true-form Freeza used to fight Goku (which would be more like 4%-5%), then Gohan puts up as good a fight as Goku but loses.
2. Piccolo has a decent power advantage and more fighting skill. Trunks is gonna get his butt kicked.
3. I'm gonna say Gohan. Despite how much power Gotenks supposedly gained, there was no noteworthy improvement in the individual kids.
4. Gotenks gets his skull caved in by a single rocket punch.
5. The Super Saiyans will probably win this. I think Goku and Vegeta are on-par with the future Android twins, and with Trunks as backup they can pull off a victory.
6. I normally don't care much about filler, but despite Vegetto putting up a fight, didn't Gohan-Boo say he was still holding back? I'm sure nearly double his top strength would be far more than Vegetto could handle without Super Saiyan.
7. Goten gets demolished. Goku's roughly twice as strong as him and a whole helluva lot more skilled.
8. I think regular Super Saiyan or maybe Super Saiyan 2 is all Gogeta would need to beat Gotenks- or Gohan-Boo. Giving him Super Saiyan 3 just makes it way too easy.
9. In an all-out brawl? Broli is the strongest one and the biggest stand-out threat. The Super Saiyans and Cell would team up to take him down first. Then Gohan and Cell fight while Vegeta and Goku fight. My gut tells me that... Vegeta would emerge victorious overall.
10. If we're bringing hypothetical characters into the mix, then I'm sure Super Saiyan 3 would provide enough raw power to spank this version of Freeza, and maybe even let him contend with Beerus or Whis.
2. Goten and Trunks get their asses kicked. They're several times weaker than the father-son duo, and far less skilled.
3. I think I'm just always going to say that SS3 Vegetto would win these battles, in protest of people taking things to the extreme and thinking he was ever meant to be a factor in these things.
4. Freeza's two favorite lap-dogs get demolished. Nail's got a big power advantage over both of them (42k Vs 22k and 23k-30k), and as a Namekian warrior-type is incredibly more skilled.
5. Based on the experimental god-saga numbers I made up a little while ago, weakened Freeza is still just a TINY bit stronger than 80% Godku. But it's plenty close enough that a fight could go either way, especially if Freeza's power keeps dropping.
6. Broli has a large power advantage, but if Cell plays it smart he may be able to manage something. Like trap and drain him, or spawn Juniors to back him up, or something like that. In a direct fight, though, Cell will lose.
7. SS3 Goku was roughly twice as strong as Fat Boo in my book. So SS3 Gohan would have a pretty large power edge over him too. He wins as long as he does it quickly.
8. If Perfect Cell can't tap into his full power for some reason, then he gets overwhelmed. Otherwise, his assailants are still nothing to him.
9. If he's fresh and at full power, Goku can more than handle a single Cell Junior. Maybe even two at once.
10. Their best bet would be a strategy where they set Nappa up and have Tenshinhan spam a few Kikohos in a row at him. I think that'd actually accomplish something if Ten's not already half-dead and firing with only one hand. If that doesn't finish Nappa off, then it would at least weaken him enough to make Piccolo a match for him.
2. Gotenks gets his as whooped. Even after the RoSaT training he'd need at least SS2 to measure up to Goku.
3. Kaioshin wins easily. I think he's in the upper echelons of the Super Saiyan 2 tier, while LSS Broli in Movie 8 is "only" about as strong as full-power Perfect Cell.
4. Paikuhan took out (presumably) Super Perfect Cell, but this Broli is a good chunk stronger than that, so I'm not sure who would win.
5. Trunks is slightly stronger, but Goku's more skilled. Could go either way.
6. Muten Roshi's got literally centuries of martial arts experience under his belt. He doesn't need fancy ki attacks to take down Mr. Satan.
7. Not well-versed on filler shenanigans, and I'm getting worn out typing this long-ass post already. Pass.
8. I don't think Sixteen's power advantage over these guys is large enough to survive fighting ALL of them at once.
9. Remember in Resurrection F how easily Whis was handling both Goku and Vegeta at once? Not much difference here with two Beeruses.
10. If Goku and Vegeta working together could tackle Beerus, then two Golden Freezas could do so as well.
— Kuririn and Ten won't make quite the optimal Fusion... there's still a decent power difference between them, and a big size difference too... but it'd still be quite powerful. I think this is a 50/50 thing.
— Goku KOs all three Earthlings incredibly quickly and easily. They don't even see him do it. It makes his pwnage of the Ginyu Force look fair by comparison.
— Goku wins. Vegetto doesn't have to be several hundred times stronger than Goku or Vegeta, and I don't think he even comes close. Regular SS or SS2 Goku would probably be a better match for him.LightBing wrote:Base Vegetto (manga) vs SSJ3 Goku (Boo Saga)
Potara Zarbon + Dodoria vs Kuririn (Android Saga)
Chiaotzu (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) vs Chi-Chi (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai)
— Zarbon and Dodoria are similar in power, but very different in body, so I don't think they'd make a particularly fantastic Potara Fusion. They'd probably only end up a few times stronger than either one alone, more like with Kaioshin and Kibito. So I think the odds are in Kuririn's favor here.
— I'm thinking Chi-Chi will be able to outmaneuver and overwhelm Chaozu with raw speed and power.
If Goku's not allowed to use his own ace-in-the-hole technique, then I'll assume the Kikoho and Kienzan are off-limits for Ten and Kuririn too. In that case, Goku dismantles the entire team without much trouble. Piccolo MIGHT be able to get one surprise blow on him, but even if he did it wouldn't do much.AvatarReiko wrote:Goku(Post-King Kai) vs Piccolo, Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Choutsu, Gohan
- Goku cannot use Kaioken - The Team all attack him together
— I'm sure Piccolo still wins. I think 19's absorptions only got him slightly past Freeza while Piccolo is already a large amount stronger than that.Lunatic Fringe wrote:#19(post-Goku ki absorption) vs. Android Saga Piccolo
#16 vs. SSJ Kid Trunks(pre-RoSaT)
LSSJ Broly(Movie 8 ) vs. Full Power Bojack
Saiyan Saga Mr. Popo vs. 1 Saibaman
Final Form Freeza(100%) vs. Hypothetical SSJ Vegeta(Post-Dende Zenkai)
— Trunks can win with total ease. I think he and Goten are right on Piccolo's heels in raw power, and that's within the low Perfect Cell range of power.
— They're similar in power in my book, but Bojack eventually wins because he's smarter, faster, and overall a better fighter than Broli the big clotheslining chunkhead.
— I think Popo would win. He's at a bit of a disadvantage in raw power (1,030 VS 1,200), but he'll totally make up for that with skill and technique.
— I'd say they're evenly matched in power (unlike Goku having a noticeable advantage over Freeza), with Vegeta maybe being slightly weaker than Freeza... but Vegeta is the more likely one to win. If not just through a relentless and brutal fight, then by outlasting Freeza until the 100% power drain creates a large gap between them.
— My tentative belief is that the absolute strongest GT characters (Yi Xing Long, SS4 Gogeta) are the only ones safe to assume as stronger than the new god characters. So SS4 Gogeta's already too much for Beerus, and Gohan-Boo's extra power just tips the scales a tiny little bit more.Doctor. wrote:Gohan Boo (with SS4 Gogeta absorbed; no time limit) vs Beerus
Gohan Boo (with Beerus absorbed) vs Whis
— Boo's not winning this one, though. He's at best like a 2 compared to Beerus' 10. So the combined total of 12 is still going to fall short of Whis' level of 15, and be a little extra pwned by Whis' amazing fighting skills.
— I don't think Grade 2 is all that huge an increase over Super Saiyan (something like 75x base, halfway between SS1 and SS2), while the difference between him, the weaker Android twins he fought, the stronger Android twins from the past, and the incredibly powerful Cell who overpowered and absorbed them... is immense. It wasn't JUST Grade 2 that let Vegeta beat up stage-2 Cell, but a lot of raw strength training on top of it. Gohan is far weaker overall and doesn't stand a chance.LightBing wrote:SSJG2 Future Gohan vs Imperfect Cell (After absorbing people)
Hypothetical SSJ Gohan (Android Arc) vs Piccolo (Android Arc)
Super Perfect Cell assimilates(Namekian Fusion) Piccolo (Cell Games), he then runs the gauntlet healing after every opponent:
— I think Gohan was on-par with the other Saiyans in base, and only inferior due to lacking Super Saiyan. So WITH it he'd probably end up a bit stronger than Piccolo. But Piccolo is the more skilled one, so a fight between them could go either way.
— Beats me, since we don't have any predictable figure for Namekian Fusion (though I'm starting to think it depends on the type of Namekians using it). But I think it's a safe bet that Cell would hit an impassable brick wall against the SS3-level characters.
— Boo arc Vegeta's significantly stronger base state more than makes up for having the slightly weaker transformation (SS3 400x Vs Gold Oozaru 500x), and he wins in a quick and intense battle.ekrolo2 wrote:Cell Games Golden Great Ape Vegeta VS Majin SSJ3 Vegeta: who has the bigger f*ck off kamikaze explosion.
Nope. Vegeta lands a few good hits and blasts Boo with a big ol' Gallic Gun, but his rage-fueled power quickly burns out and Boo easily regenerates from the damage. Boo then eats Vegeta just like the others.nickzambuto wrote:Scenario: Back in the Boo arc. After seeing Super/Evil Boo emerge from the Room of Spirit and Time with Piccolo and the boys nowhere in sight, Yemma assumes all of Earth's heroes have officially been defeated. He then expedites Vegeta's revival, seeing him as the last option. Vegeta arrives at the Lookout just in time to see Super/Evil Boo slap and then eat Bulma. Can Rageta destroy Majin Boo?
Pretty sure Yamcha's going to make short work of the opposing team. He's just got too much of a power advantage over them. Chaozu's far ahead of the others but still probably only about half as strong as him.In Brightest Day wrote:Yamcha (Android arc) vs. Chaozu (Buu arc), Jaco and Roshi (Revival of F).
If unlike in the movie the heroes aren't holding back so as to be non-lethal... then Mr. Boo erases the entire army with one breath blast. Shisami is the only survivor, but he's seriously messed up, and immediately finished off by being turned into actual sashimi and eaten. The other heroes just sit back and watch it all unfold.In Brightest Day wrote:Shisame and Freeza's army (Revival of F) vs. Eighteen, Mr. Buu, Yamcha, Trunks, Son Goten and Tarble.
1. Goku annihilates. I think SS Gotenks only topped out at around half of SS3 Goku's power (though keep in mind that makes him several times stronger overall and in his own SS3 state).SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:1: SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga) vs. SSJ Gotenks(Post ROSAT)
2: SSJ Nappa vs. Ginyu Force
3: First Form Freeza(Namek) vs. Krillin(FNF) and Tenshinhan(FNF)
4: Kamiccolo(Tired),Android 17,18 and 16 vs. Imperfect Cell
5: SSJ Vegeta(Namek) and 100% Final Form Freeza(Namek) vs. SSJ Goku(Namek)
6: Goku(Arrival on Namek) vs. 1rst Form Freeza
7: Krillin(vs.Freeza) vs. Recoome,Burtur and Jiece
8: Vegeta(Post Dende Heal) vs. 3rd Form Freeza
9: Yajirobe(Saiyan Saga) vs. Majin Spopovich and Majin Yamu
10: King Cold vs. Majin Yakon
2. Super Saiyan gives Nappa a power level of about 200,000. He demolishes the entire Ginyu Force with ease. The only thing that might give him trouble is Gurd's psychic abilities, but if Vegeta knew about them then I'm betting Nappa would too, and would know how to deal with them.
3. Barring any Kienzan or Kikoho shenanigans, the Earthling duo get wrecked. I think they capped out somewhere between 100 and 150 thousand, which is easy pickings to Freeza at 530,000.
4. If you ask me, Piccolo and the Android twins alone may have already been able to take down Cell, if they all went at him together and Piccolo wasn't tired from already fighting Seventeen. Letting the 3 of them serve as backup for Sixteen, who's already a match for Cell alone, just dooms the green creep to defeat.
5. If Vegeta and Freeza are relentless enough, then they can probably overwhelm Goku before Freeza's power starts dropping and their strength in numbers disappears.
6. If Goku can comfortably and repeatedly pull off a Kaio-Ken x10, then he'll be able to lay the smack-down on Freeza without much trouble.
7. He's officially at 75,000 during the fight with Freeza. So if Ginyu thought 60k would be enough to pick the Ginyu trio apart, then I'm sure 75k would be too.
8. I'm sure Vegeta's confidence wasn't completely unwarranted. He may have underestimated Freeza's true form, but I don't think there's any reason he wouldn't at least be a little stronger than the 3rd form before it.
9. I'd bet Yajirobe's many times stronger than them. Even though he doesn't have much ki technique, I doubt a decapitation via his sword is something they can recover from.
10. They're pretty close in power by my book, each around or just below the 100 million mark. The fight could go either way.
— Vegeta will be evenly matched against Freeza at first, but Freeza can power up (still within his 2nd form, like he did twice) and turn the tables.LightBing wrote:SSJ Vegeta (Arrival on Namek) vs 2nd Form Freeza
Yakon vs Kuririn, Yamcha and Tenshinhan (All of them Android Arc) - Location- West City an hour before it goes Dark. Kibito appears to help the humans 10 minutes after the fight has started.
— Kibito shows up 9 minutes after the Earthlings have all been messily slaughtered, just in time for Yakon to kill him too.
Pretty sure Chaozu will have a pretty large power advantage over all these guys, and could win without much trouble.In Brightest Day wrote:Chaozu (end of Z) vs. Jaco, Roshi (Revival of F) and Tarble.
— At full power, and as long as they don't stupidly let too much energy get absorbed... Goku and Vegeta can both easily tear apart both Androids at once. Trunks is the only one who might be in any danger.Noah wrote:- Android 19 and 20 x SSJ Goku (No Heart Virus)
- Android 19 and 20 x SSJ Mirai Trunks (Android Arc/Pre-RoSaT)
- Android 19 and 20 x SSJ Vegeta (Android Arc/Pre-RoSaT)
— Arale, duh.Noah wrote:- Arale x Piccolo Daimao
- Cyborg Tao x Raspberry
- False SSJ Goku x Final Form Freeza (Namek Arc)
- Kid Goku (Daimao Arc) x Garlic Jr. (No transform/Imortality)
- Pan (GT) x Base Kid Trunks (can transform in SSJ)
- SSJ Goku Post RoSaT x Meta Coola Army
- Zangya x Android 16, 17 and 18
— Man, I dunno. If Raspberry's weak enough to need one of those blaster things, then maybe Tao Pai Pai would actually be a threat to him.
— You mean False SS Goku as he actually was from Movie 4? Nah, Freeza wins. I think Goku in that movie was as strong as his arrival-on-Namek self and the False SS hissyfit only pushed him up to about 2nd-form Freeza's level.
— Teen-age Goku from the 23rd Budokai could probably win, but my gut tells me that kid Goku would still be outmatched. Garlic Jr did give Kami a half-decent fight, after all.
— GT and its inconsistent wackiness. Pass.
— After blasting apart a few dozen Metal Coolas and getting bored, Goku realizes that the Big Ghetti Star is the source of their endless regeneration, and can sense the original Coola inside. So he teleports in, destroys the core Coola with one blast, and claims victory when all the remaining Metal Coolas explode.
— Zangya's got a huge power advantage over all the Androids and can wreck them pretty easily, even 3-vs-1.
— Without the Kaio-Ken, Goku's in real danger of being overwhelmed. Bardock's already a little stronger than him ("over 8,000" vs "nearly 10,000"), and backup from the rest of his team will just make things even harder.TGCF1203 wrote:Goku (Saiyan Saga, no Kaioken) vs Bardock and his team
SSJ Saiyan Saga Goku vs First Form Freeza
Piccolo (pre-Kami) vs. King Cold
SSJ Goku and SSJ Vegeta (Android saga) vs Future Android 17 and Future Android 18
SSJ Goten and SSJ Kid Trunks vs Android 16
Yamcha (Android saga) vs Zarbon
— Super Saiyan results in a power level of a little over 400,000 for Goku, which falls short of Freeza's 530,000. Goku will do well but more than likely lose in the end.
— Piccolo's roughly twice as strong as King Cold in my book, and makes quick work of him.
— Goku and Vegeta put up a great fight, but will probably still lose due to the Androids' infinite stamina.
— If they go all-out then the kids win pretty easily. They're several times stronger than any of the Androids in my book.
— I'm gonna give this to Yamcha. He'd probably be pushing the Ginyu Force trio's level of power around 35,000-40,000. Only monster-form Zarbon could possibly put up a fight.
1. Nobody beats Bruce Lee.SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:1: Mr.Satan vs. Bruce Lee
2: Videl vs. Ronda Rousey
3: Base Vegeta(FNF) vs. Tired Golden Freeza
4: Vegeta (vs.Freeza), Ginyu, Gohan(vs.Freeza), Krillin (vs.Freeza) and Jeese vs. 1rst Form Freeza
5: Goku's Genki Dama against Pure Boo vs. Beerus
6: SSJ2 Gotenks vs. SSJ Gogeta
7: SSJ Vegeta(Post ROSAT 1rst Time) vs. Imperfect Cell
8: Beerus,SSGSS Goku and SSGSS Vegeta vs. Whis
9: ASSJ Vegeta(Cell Games) and ASSJ Mirai Trunks(Cell Games) vs. SSJ Goten(Pre ROSAT) and SSJ Trunks(Pre ROSAT)
10: Mecha Freeza vs. 5th Form Cooler
2. Gonna give this to the girl with borderline superhuman strength who can fly.
3. Vegeta might be at a disadvantage at first, but if Freeza's strength keeps waning then that won't last long.
4. Vegeta figured that himself with Kuririn and Gohan as backup might already have a shot at victory. I'd say the addition of the Ginyu folks bumps that up to a solid 50/50 chance.
5. Beerus emerges unharmed from the aftermath of the Spirit Bomb, rubbing his eyes and complaining that the bright light from it was annoying.
6. Gotenks spawns 50 Kamikaze Ghosts and sends them all careening at Gogeta... who stands still and blows them all away with a kiai. The explosions are a distraction to Gotenks, who never sees Gogeta zip up behind him and KO him with a single blow to the back of the head.
7. Vegeta wins easily. I think he was at least an even match for Stage-2 Cell, so Cell's lowest form is easy pickings.
8. Whis wins easily. He's got a big advantage in power over all of them AND has amazing fighting skills that even Beerus couldn't match at equal powers.
9. Vegeta and Trunks from the Cell Games at regular Super Saiyan would already be a little bit stronger than the kids. Give them Grade 2 on top of it and it becomes a decidedly one-sided fight.
10. They're about equal in power, but Coola's the more skilled one and can probably use his power better in his natural trained body than Freeza can in his mangled cyborg one. Coola wins.
In a straight-up martial arts fight Bulma would obviously lose, but if she has any prep-time then she'd definitely produce some sort of gadget that would incapacitate Mr. Satan and let her "win."DBZAOTA482 wrote:Mr. Satan vs. Bulma
Not counting Beerus and Golden Freeza among the movie villains, I assume? In that case, Whis wins overwhelmingly easily. Janemba's space-warping and Hirudegarn's intangibility might be a minor inconvenience to him, but that's about it.SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:Evey single villain who appears in DBZ and DBZ Movies vs. Whis
— Chaozu demolishes the entire opposing team. I'm thinking he ended up around the 20,000-30,000 range, whereas these guys would be lucky to be over 5,000.In Brightest Day wrote:- Chaozu (Buu arc) vs. Jaco, Roshi (Resurrection F) and Tarble.
- Cooler vs. SSJ Son Goku (Namek).
- Cyborg Tao (post-training under Kami) vs. 1 Saibaman.
- Dabura vs. SSJ Future Trunks (vs. Imperfect Cell).
- Gine vs. Yajirobe (Saiyan arc).
- SSJ Son Gohan (25th Budokai) vs. SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks and Piccolo (Cell Games).
— Could go either way. Coola's stronger than Freeza was and doesn't appear to share his stamina problems.
— Uh, who knows? Tao, maybe?
— Trunks is at a bit of a power disadvantage, but if he fights smart enough he could win.
— Gine's fault as a warrior was said to be her personality, not her power. I believe she's still probably packing a PL between 1,000-2,000 like other average adult Saiyans. So she could beat Yajirobe (970) if she really puts her mind to it.
— Rusty skills or not, Gohan's still got far too much of a power advantage here. He'd have to mess up really, REALLY bad to lose this fight.
— It comes down to Vegeta's moderate power disadvantage versus Kaioshin's general incompetence. Could go either way.Zombie wrote:Non Majin SSJ2 Vegeta [Buu arc] vs Kibitoshin [no magic].
— By my numbers combined, I decree the winner is Goku, by a moderate power advantage as long as he doesn't waste time.ekrolo2 wrote:SSJ3 Namek Goku vs ASSJ Future Trunks post first ROSAT visit
Oozaru Raditz vs Goku post hospital Zenkai (no Kaio-Ken)
Post 3 year training Gohan vs final form Freeza 1%
— I'm sure Goku got a decent healing boost after fighting Vegeta, but there's no real way to tell how big it was. I doubt it brought him all the way up to or past 15,000 though.
— 1% of true-form Freeza's power would be 1.2 million, which is about what he'd have in his second form. Gohan at this point could defeat that easily. If you meant the amount of power true-form Freeza used to fight Goku (which would be more like 4%-5%), then Gohan puts up as good a fight as Goku but loses.
Vegeta definitely wins in my book. Like I mentioned for a similar match-up above, while Vegeta may have underestimated Freeza's true form I doubt he wasn't at least a bit stronger than Freeza's 3rd form. That'd put Vegeta a bit over a PL of 2 million in my eyes, while Piccolo would be about 1.5 million. If they fight then Vegeta would win easily.OWmyDragonBallz wrote:Vegeta post Zenkai vs. Piccolo merged with Nail
1. Vegeta's Final Flash managed to hurt a severely suppressed Cell only moderately stronger than Vegeta. Whereas LSS Broli is on-par with Cell's full power displayed against SS2 Gohan. Broli's gonna shrug the attack off and retaliate brutally.SSJ3 Vegeta wrote: 1: Vegeta's Final Flash against Perfect Cell vs. Movie 8 LSSJ Broly
2: Piccolo(Cell Games) vs. ASSJ Mirai Trunks(Post ROSAT 1rst Time)
3: SSJ Goten(Post ROSAT) vs. SSJ Gohan(Pre Z-Sword)
4: Base Gotenks(Pre ROSAT) vs. Android 16
5: SSJ Vegeta,SSJ Goku(Healthy) and SSJ Mirai Trunks(All in Android Arc) vs. Future Android 17 and 18
6: Buuhantenks vs. Anime Base Vegetto
7: MSSJ Goku(Cell Games) vs. SSJ Goten(Pre ROSAT)
8: SSJ3 Gogeta vs. Buutenks
9: Movie 10 LSSJ Broly vs. Super Perfect Cell vs. SSJ2 Kid Gohan vs. SSJ2 Goku vs. SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
10: Final From Freeza(FNF) vs. SSJ3 Vegetto
2. Piccolo has a decent power advantage and more fighting skill. Trunks is gonna get his butt kicked.
3. I'm gonna say Gohan. Despite how much power Gotenks supposedly gained, there was no noteworthy improvement in the individual kids.
4. Gotenks gets his skull caved in by a single rocket punch.
5. The Super Saiyans will probably win this. I think Goku and Vegeta are on-par with the future Android twins, and with Trunks as backup they can pull off a victory.
6. I normally don't care much about filler, but despite Vegetto putting up a fight, didn't Gohan-Boo say he was still holding back? I'm sure nearly double his top strength would be far more than Vegetto could handle without Super Saiyan.
7. Goten gets demolished. Goku's roughly twice as strong as him and a whole helluva lot more skilled.
8. I think regular Super Saiyan or maybe Super Saiyan 2 is all Gogeta would need to beat Gotenks- or Gohan-Boo. Giving him Super Saiyan 3 just makes it way too easy.
9. In an all-out brawl? Broli is the strongest one and the biggest stand-out threat. The Super Saiyans and Cell would team up to take him down first. Then Gohan and Cell fight while Vegeta and Goku fight. My gut tells me that... Vegeta would emerge victorious overall.
10. If we're bringing hypothetical characters into the mix, then I'm sure Super Saiyan 3 would provide enough raw power to spank this version of Freeza, and maybe even let him contend with Beerus or Whis.
Janemba, Hirudegarn, and most of the Shadow Dragons would be easy pickings, but I'd bet Yi Xing Long is still too much for them to handle.Absolute Ice wrote:Kakarot and Vegeta beyond Gods vs Janemba, Hirudegarn and all the Shadow Dragons.
1. I'm going to say Whis. Even if Gotenks ends up a little more powerful somehow, Whis' amazingly haxed fighting skills are going to prevail. How's Gotenks going to beat someone he can't even hit?SSJ3 Vegeta wrote: 1: Super Saiyan God Gotenks vs. Whis
2: MSSJ Goku(CG) and MSSJ Gohan(CG) vs. Trunks(Post ROSAT) and Goten(Post ROSAT)
3: SSJ3 Vegetto vs. Beerus(Goku's prediction)
4: Nail vs. Zarbon and Dodoria
5: Weakened Golden Freeza vs. 80% Super Saiyan God Goku
6: Movie 10 LSSJ Broly vs. Super Perfect Cell
7: SSJ3 Kid Gohan vs. Fat Boo
8: ASSJ Vegeta(CG),ASSJ Trunks(CG) and Piccolo(CG) vs. Perfect Cell(After fighting MSSJ Goku)
9: MSSJ Goku vs. Cell Junior
10: Piccolo,Tenshinhan and Kuririn(All in Saiyan Saga) vs. Nappa
2. Goten and Trunks get their asses kicked. They're several times weaker than the father-son duo, and far less skilled.
3. I think I'm just always going to say that SS3 Vegetto would win these battles, in protest of people taking things to the extreme and thinking he was ever meant to be a factor in these things.
4. Freeza's two favorite lap-dogs get demolished. Nail's got a big power advantage over both of them (42k Vs 22k and 23k-30k), and as a Namekian warrior-type is incredibly more skilled.
5. Based on the experimental god-saga numbers I made up a little while ago, weakened Freeza is still just a TINY bit stronger than 80% Godku. But it's plenty close enough that a fight could go either way, especially if Freeza's power keeps dropping.
6. Broli has a large power advantage, but if Cell plays it smart he may be able to manage something. Like trap and drain him, or spawn Juniors to back him up, or something like that. In a direct fight, though, Cell will lose.
7. SS3 Goku was roughly twice as strong as Fat Boo in my book. So SS3 Gohan would have a pretty large power edge over him too. He wins as long as he does it quickly.
8. If Perfect Cell can't tap into his full power for some reason, then he gets overwhelmed. Otherwise, his assailants are still nothing to him.
9. If he's fresh and at full power, Goku can more than handle a single Cell Junior. Maybe even two at once.
10. Their best bet would be a strategy where they set Nappa up and have Tenshinhan spam a few Kikohos in a row at him. I think that'd actually accomplish something if Ten's not already half-dead and firing with only one hand. If that doesn't finish Nappa off, then it would at least weaken him enough to make Piccolo a match for him.
Fusion's pretty effective, but it's not THAT broken unless it's between Goku and Vegeta. I'm thinking that "Gohunks" would end up more about as strong as SS Gohan or Goku from the Cell Games.Angelus wrote:Super Perfect Cell VS Future SSJ Trunks (first appearance in main timeline) + Future SSJ Gohan (with both arms) Fusion Dance
1. All else being equal, I'd say Potara is 2-3x stronger than the Fusion Dance, so I'm sure SS3 would be enough for Trunten here to win.SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:1: SSJ3 Trunten(Trunks and Goten Potara Fusion) vs. Gohan-Boo
2: SSJ Gotenks(Pre ROSAT) vs. SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)
3: Kibitoshin vs. Movie 8 LSSJ Broly
4: Paikuhan vs. Movie 10 LSSJ Broly
5: SSJ Goku(Namek) vs. SSJ Mirai Trunks(First Appearance)
6: Mr.Satan vs. Kame-Sennin(Equal Power,No Ki Blasts)
7: Anime South Kaioshin vs. Grey Buu
8: Android 16 vs. Kamiccolo,Android 17,Android 18,SSJ Vegeta(Android Saga),SSJ Goku(Android Saga),SSJ Mirai Trunks(Android Saga)
9: Whis vs. 2 Beerus
10: Beerus vs. 2 Golden Freeza
2. Gotenks gets his as whooped. Even after the RoSaT training he'd need at least SS2 to measure up to Goku.
3. Kaioshin wins easily. I think he's in the upper echelons of the Super Saiyan 2 tier, while LSS Broli in Movie 8 is "only" about as strong as full-power Perfect Cell.
4. Paikuhan took out (presumably) Super Perfect Cell, but this Broli is a good chunk stronger than that, so I'm not sure who would win.
5. Trunks is slightly stronger, but Goku's more skilled. Could go either way.
6. Muten Roshi's got literally centuries of martial arts experience under his belt. He doesn't need fancy ki attacks to take down Mr. Satan.
7. Not well-versed on filler shenanigans, and I'm getting worn out typing this long-ass post already. Pass.
8. I don't think Sixteen's power advantage over these guys is large enough to survive fighting ALL of them at once.
9. Remember in Resurrection F how easily Whis was handling both Goku and Vegeta at once? Not much difference here with two Beeruses.
10. If Goku and Vegeta working together could tackle Beerus, then two Golden Freezas could do so as well.
— Potara is crazy strong, and Goku and Kuririn are similar enough at this point that they'd make for a great Fusion. King Piccolo gets destroyed.LightBing wrote:Goku and Kuririn, Potara Fusion (21st TB) vs Young Piccolo Daimao
Kuririn and Tenshinhan, Potara Fusion (Beginning of Z) vs Nappa
Base Goku (During Freeza fight) vs Kuririn, Yamcha and Tenshinhan (Android Arc) - No kaioken for Goku.
— Kuririn and Ten won't make quite the optimal Fusion... there's still a decent power difference between them, and a big size difference too... but it'd still be quite powerful. I think this is a 50/50 thing.
— Goku KOs all three Earthlings incredibly quickly and easily. They don't even see him do it. It makes his pwnage of the Ginyu Force look fair by comparison.
Either Goku or Trunks alone could smash apart both Androids at once as long as they were careful and didn't let too much energy get absorbed. Making it 2-vs-2 is just unfair.ahill1 wrote:Android 19 ( initial ) and Android 20 ( initial ) vs Goku SSJ ( Yardrat Saga ) and Trunks SSJ ( Yardrat Saga ).
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Majin Baby Janemba vs One-Star Dragon.
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1. Beerus one shots.Noah wrote:New matches:
- Beerus x Omega Shenron
- Ledgic x First Form Freeza (RoF)
- Rageta SSJ3 x 51% Beerus
- SSJ Goten (GT) x SSJ Gohan (Cell Games)
- SSJ Mirai Trunks (Cell Games) x SSJ Trunks (GT)
- SSJ2 Gohan (GT) x SSJ2 Vegeta (GT)
- SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta x All Kaioshins
- SSJ3 Gotenks (GT) x Baby Vegeta
- SSJG Goku x Super Baby Vegeta 2
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3. Beerus wins very easily.
4. SSJ Goten.
5. SSJ2 Vegeta, low to mid difficulty.
6. Goku and Vegeta take this, just because going by the manga we don't get to see them in action.
7. I'd say SSJ3 Gotenks could beat him.
8. SSJG Goku because he was also apart of the Beerus feat.
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The One Star Dragon gets turned into candyAbsolute Ice wrote:Majin Baby Janemba vs One-Star Dragon.
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Even the earth is not shaking at all and you said their punch clashing shake the entire universeespecially now we know his punch clashing with SSJG can shake the entire universe, and destroy it if his battle with SSJG went on longer.


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Have you not seen the image? Rou Kaioshin even says the power of their battle is resonating all the way to there realm, and if it carries on the Universe will be destroyed.GTX wrote:Even the earth is not shaking at all and you said their punch clashing shake the entire universeespecially now we know his punch clashing with SSJG can shake the entire universe, and destroy it if his battle with SSJG went on longer.![]()
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Finally someone in Janemba's team.Lord Beerus wrote:The One Star Dragon gets turned into candy

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It simply totally doesn't make any sense at all .Sora Saiyan wrote:Have you not seen the image? Rou Kaioshin even says the power of their battle is resonating all the way to there realm, and if it carries on the Universe will be destroyed.GTX wrote:Even the earth is not shaking at all and you said their punch clashing shake the entire universeespecially now we know his punch clashing with SSJG can shake the entire universe, and destroy it if his battle with SSJG went on longer.![]()
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It simply totally doesn't make any sense at all .[/quote]
No that's not it, you hate and bash BOG/FNF and the characters all the time, it now pisses you off seeing them do this.
Very glad this chapter shows how strong beerus and Ssj God Goku are.
It simply totally doesn't make any sense at all .[/quote]
No that's not it, you hate and bash BOG/FNF and the characters all the time, it now pisses you off seeing them do this.
Very glad this chapter shows how strong beerus and Ssj God Goku are.
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It simply totally doesn't make any sense at all .[/quote]Stevenseagal wrote:
No that's not it, you hate and bash BOG/FNF and the characters all the time, it now pisses you off seeing them do this.
Very glad this chapter shows how strong beerus and Ssj God Goku are.[/quote]
It screams total bullshit because the earth until know is the weakest planet because the weakest character of db can even destroy it.
If it shaked the entire universe and the epicentrum was the earth why is the earth is not destroyed?
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GTX wrote:It simply totally doesn't make any sense at all .Stevenseagal wrote:
No that's not it, you hate and bash BOG/FNF and the characters all the time, it now pisses you off seeing them do this.
Very glad this chapter shows how strong beerus and Ssj God Goku are.[/quote]
It screams total bullshit because the earth until know is the weakest planet because the weakest character of db can even destroy it.
[/quote]If it shaked the entire universe and the epicentrum was the earth why is the earth is not destroyed?
It's like asking why the earth isn't destroyed during every battle on earth in Z BOG and GT, because of KI Control, beerus and Goku wouldn't destroy all those planets they're not that careless.
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
GTX wrote:It simply totally doesn't make any sense at all .Stevenseagal wrote:
No that's not it, you hate and bash BOG/FNF and the characters all the time, it now pisses you off seeing them do this.
Very glad this chapter shows how strong beerus and Ssj God Goku are.[/quote]
It screams total bullshit because the earth until know is the weakest planet because the weakest character of db can even destroy it.
It was going to be destroyed eventually,did you not see the moon start to crack?If it shaked the entire universe and the epicentrum was the earth why is the earth is not destroyed?
Old kai makes it very clear that if they continue to fight the entire universe is going to be destroyed there's no ifs and or buts around it
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
itStevenseagal wrote:GTX wrote:It simply totally doesn't make any sense at all .Stevenseagal wrote:
No that's not it, you hate and bash BOG/FNF and the characters all the time, it now pisses you off seeing them do this.
Very glad this chapter shows how strong beerus and Ssj God Goku are.
It screams total bullshit because the earth until know is the weakest planet because the weakest character of db can even destroy it.
If it shaked the entire universe and the epicentrum was the earth why is the earth is not destroyed?
It's like asking why the earth isn't destroyed during every battle on earth in Z BOG and GT, because of KI Control, beerus and Goku wouldn't destroy all those planets they're not that careless.
Do you even know what you've written? Shaking the entire universe but not destroying the earth doesn't have anything to do with ki control. It just said it didn't make any sense.KI CONTROL
In Z BoG or GT they're not shaking anything in the process let alone something super massive as shaking the the whole universe. It is fake, m8.
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Trying to make sense of the power scaling in Dragon Ball is like trying to squeeze blood out of a turnip; it's a lost cause.GTX wrote:Do you even know what you've written? Shaking the entire universe but not destroying doesn't have anything to do with ki control. It just said it didn't make any sense.
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Probably it just a symbolism and not a universe but a kaio realm.Lord Beerus wrote:Trying to make sense of the power scaling in Dragon Ball is like trying to squeeze blood out of a turnip; it's a lost cause.GTX wrote:Do you even know what you've written? Shaking the entire universe but not destroying doesn't have anything to do with ki control. It just said it didn't make any sense.
When the god clashing against god it shake the balance of the underworld.
It somehow will destroy kaioshin planet in kaioshin realm.
The god of creation has a chance to a total annihilation by the destruction of their planet and it will lead to the destruction of the universe eventually.
So the destruction of 1 planet is symbolized as the destruction of whole universe because it's the kaioshin planet.
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