The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Saiyan007]

Do you even know what you've written? Shaking the entire universe but not destroying doesn't have anything to do with ki control. It just said it didn't make any sense.

Trying to make sense of the power scaling in Dragon Ball is like trying to squeeze blood out of a turnip; it's a lost cause.

Probably it just a symbolism and not a universe but a kaio realm.
When the god clashing against god it shake the balance of the underworld.
It somehow will destroy kaioshin planet in kaioshin realm.
The god of creation has a chance to a total annihilation by the destruction of their planet and it will lead to the destruction of the universe eventually.
So the destruction of 1 planet is symbolized as the destruction of whole universe because it's the kaioshin planet.

This is reaching to a a whole nother level.How does destroying a planet in another realm equal universal destruction? You're also ignoring we see planets in the physical universe shake because of Beerus and Goku and Old kai saying they will destroy the entire universe if this continues stop ignoring things on panel for your own bias interpretation

[GTX]

This is reaching to a a whole nother level.How does destroying a planet in another realm equal universal destruction? You're also ignoring we see planets in the physical universe shake because of Beerus and Goku and Old kai saying they will destroy the entire universe if this continues stop ignoring things on panel for your own bias interpretation

Stop being rude and fix your spelling and grammar too.
That because the destruction of kaioshin planet or planet kaishin will make no other kaioshin or kai will be born in the future.have you read the manga?
Without god of creation it will be no more new planets.

[Saiyan007]

This is reaching to a a whole nother level.How does destroying a planet in another realm equal universal destruction? You're also ignoring we see planets in the physical universe shake because of Beerus and Goku and Old kai saying they will destroy the entire universe if this continues stop ignoring things on panel for your own bias interpretation

Stop being rude and fix your spelling and grammar too.
That because the destruction of kaioshin planet or planet kaishin will make no other kaioshin or kai will be born in the future.have you read the manga?
Without god of creation it will be no more new planets.

You tell me to fix my grammar but look at what you just posted.

The point is Beerus and Goku engaging in fistdacuffs will make the universe be destroyed period

[Stevenseagal]

This is reaching to a a whole nother level.How does destroying a planet in another realm equal universal destruction? You're also ignoring we see planets in the physical universe shake because of Beerus and Goku and Old kai saying they will destroy the entire universe if this continues stop ignoring things on panel for your own bias interpretation

Stop being rude and fix your spelling and grammar too.
That because the destruction of kaioshin planet or planet kaishin will make no other kaioshin or kai will be born in the future.have you read the manga?
Without god of creation it will be no more new planets.

You tell me to fix my grammar but look at what you just posted.

The point is Beerus and Goku engaging in fistdacuffs will make the universe be destroyed period

He's a butthurt Gt fan who constantly bashes Super/BOG/FNF, so whenever a great feat shows up for Super he will do all he can to discredit it.


Too bad his reasons/ arguements are rubbish and nobody buys into it.

[Saiyan007]

He's a butthurt Gt fan who constantly bashes Super/BOG/FNF, so whenever a great feat shows up for Super he will do all he can to discredit it.


Too bad his reasons/ arguements are rubbish and nobody buys into it.

Oh he's a GT fan well this feat confirms no one in GT stands a chance against the Gods

[Captain Space]

Stop bashing each other please, it's not nice and makes actual discussion impossible and any counter-point becomes inextricable from a personal assault.

[Sandubadear]

Didn't the Kaioshin say that Super Buu could also destroy the universe with his yelling attack against Vegetto, or is it dub-only?

[Kamiccolo9]

Didn't the Kaioshin say that Super Buu could also destroy the universe with his yelling attack against Vegetto, or is it dub-only?

It was anime only. That whole segment wasn't in the manga.

[Sandubadear]

Then in the anime, any character stronger than Buuhan can destroy the universe. Still doesn't mean that Beerus and God Goku >> all of GT.

[Saiyan007]

Then in the anime, any character stronger than Buuhan can destroy the universe. Still doesn't mean that Beerus and God Goku >> all of GT.

buuhan did it with a special scream that would collapse the dimensional walls =/= universal

Not too mention Goku and Beerus did it with fists

[Stevenseagal]

Then in the anime, any character stronger than Buuhan can destroy the universe. Still doesn't mean that Beerus and God Goku >> all of GT.

it's more the fact that their punches alone sent shockwaves through the univere and even to the kaioshin realm, something that doesn't happen when buuhan or gt characters are throwing punches. Maybe ssj4 gogeta could, considering we'ven ot seen his full power.

[Lunatic Fringe]

Scenario: Imperfect Cell has managed to absorb every last human being on the planet, except for the main characters so no Tenshinhan, Chaozu, Yamcha, Bulma, etc. Within the Androids/Cell saga, who do you think would be the weakest character that would be able to take him down?

[Captain Space]

Scenario: Imperfect Cell has managed to absorb every last human being on the planet, except for the main characters so no Tenshinhan, Chaozu, Yamcha, Bulma, etc. Within the Androids/Cell saga, who do you think would be the weakest character that would be able to take him down?

Hmm...a few smallish towns were enough to take him from well below 17/Kamiccolo level to 16's level...even being ridiculously conservative and saying the entire rest of the world's population is only 100 times what he absorbed there, he should be at least the top end of the Cell saga's scale.

Now as for a more likely estimate...there are a good few large cities in the DB world, so it's probably a lot more.

Though I dunno, maybe there's diminishing returns or maybe the gap between Imperfect and Semi-Perfect is so massive that one way or another, there's no way that absorbing normal humans will ever give him as much power as actually coming closer to perfection.

[AvatarReiko]

1: SSJ3 Trunten(Trunks and Goten Potara Fusion) vs. Gohan-Boo

Buu turns them in pancakes.

Kibitoshin vs. Movie 8 LSSJ Broly

Kabitoshin one shots.

Anime South Kaioshin vs. Grey Buu

Gotenks grinds Goku's face into the dirt. SSJ Gotenks Pre-ROSAT was already stated to have surpassed Goku.

7: Anime South Kaioshin vs. Grey Buu

South Kai takes the Majority. He was shown to be on par with Kid Buu and the latter had to resort to absorbtion.

8: Android 16 vs. Kamiccolo,Android 17,Android 18,SSJ Vegeta(Android Saga),SSJ Goku(Android Saga),SSJ Mirai Trunks(Android Saga)

16 wins. Cell, who is equal to 16, took Piccolo's best attack and did not have a single scratch on him. Even if the team do overwhelm 16, he simply blows himself up and kills the lot of them.

10: Beerus vs. 2 Golden Freeza

Beerus wins--but only because of Freeza's stamina issue in his Golden Form. Whis stated that if Goku and Vegeta work together, they could at least match Beerus. Freeza. Golden Freeza is stronger than them indivually. Two Golden Freeza's should be enough.

[Captain Space]

So, uh, without meaning to rush anything, just wondering--SSJ2FutureGohan, any idea when you might be able to conclude your run through of the GT power scale (with the final arc)?

[IDreamtIWasABee]

Freddy Krueger vs. teen Gohan, Videl, and Future Trunks.

Either of the boys could one-shot him in the real world, but getting him there's the trick. Krueger's near-absolute in dreamland.

Teens' advantages:

-Videl's a girl (see every Freddy movie but movie 2)
-Trunks is an arguably homosexual guy (see Freddy movie 2)
-Gohan has book smarts and could probably figure out Freddy's weaknesses
-Freddy taunts his victims for a couple dreams before killing them, giving the teens time to collaborate
-Freddy's easy meat in the real world, and can be pulled there so long as the dreamer grips him when waking up
-Freddy had trouble killing Jason in his dream, and the Z fighters would easily have similar durability

Freddy's advantages:

-nigh-omnipotent in dreams, rendering power levels moot
-gains power from opponent's fears, which is very bad for Future Trunks and arguably Gohan
-Z fighters are infamously foolish
-smarter than Super Boo, who vaguely resembles Freddy and outlasted everyone but Vegetto
-Gohan has none of Nancy's common sense
-Freddy couldn't kill Jason in his dream, but he could control Jason's body at will
-masterful at mind reading and disguising himself as people the dreamer knows intimately

Ideally the teens would put their heads together and go visit Old Kai, who has a lot of magical fixits he can pull out of his ass.

[Kaboom]

He's a butthurt Gt fan who constantly bashes Super/BOG/FNF, so whenever a great feat shows up for Super he will do all he can to discredit it.
Too bad his reasons/ arguements are rubbish and nobody buys into it.

The only thing here that's "rubbish" is this type of post about one of your fellow fans just because they have a differing opinion about character strengths. It's disgusting and completely unacceptable. Please don't do it again. Also, please work on your sloppy spelling and grammar. Unless you're a non-native English speaker, there's no excuse for your posts to look like they do in this thread.

You too, Saiyan007, on both points.

[Stevenseagal]

He's a butthurt Gt fan who constantly bashes Super/BOG/FNF, so whenever a great feat shows up for Super he will do all he can to discredit it.
Too bad his reasons/ arguements are rubbish and nobody buys into it.

The only thing here that's "rubbish" is this type of post about one of your fellow fans just because they have a differing opinion about character strengths. It's disgusting and completely unacceptable. Please don't do it again. Also, please work on your sloppy spelling and grammar. Unless you're a non-native English speaker, there's no excuse for your posts to look like they do in this thread.

You too, Saiyan007, on both points.

Nothing wrong with my spelling at all

I will not apologize for speaking out on someone constantly bashing BOG/FNF and then going on and on about it. Even claiming certain things are bullshit when it's clearly not. When someone has a clear agenda like that and can't listen to common reason then i don't see an issue with calling him on it.

But fair enough i won't call him things like butthurt anymore then, suppose that's crossing the line.

[Kaboom]

Nothing wrong with my spelling at all

Sorry, got you mixed up with someone else on that point. But the other one still stands. This isn't the type of community where strength debates are given enough importance that anyone should be "called out" for anything. If you disagree with someone on something, then discuss it politely or don't discuss it at all.

[LightBing]

Mutated Vegeta (DB Super Manga) vs Gotenks-Boo

Chilled vs Ginyu

Goku(Trunks Saga) vs King Cold - Goku can't use SSJ