What is the General Consensus for Super?

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Re: What is the General Consensus for Super?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:48 pm

From what I remember, airing it on Wednesdays nights was a time slot where kids where still awake to watch TV before they go to bed. From what I've seen, you don't have kids shows at nights anymore in Japan. They either air on Sunday morning or in the after noon when they come home from school. Dragon Ball, One Piece, Case Close, Kamen Rider, Super Sentai and Digimon seem to air on Sunday mornings while other Japanese kids shows like Pokemon, Naruto and Ultraman seem to air in the afternoons. Things are different they where 10-30 years ago. I doubt Super will do well air it on late at night since most younger kids won't stay up to watch it.
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Re: What is the General Consensus for Super?

Post by sintzu » Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:52 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:I doubt Super will do well air it on late at night since most younger kids won't stay up to watch it.
As it is now it won't but if they gave it the same quality treatment they gave DB&Z then it would probably do better.
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Re: What is the General Consensus for Super?

Post by TripleRach » Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:48 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:From what I remember, airing it on Wednesdays nights was a time slot where kids where still awake to watch TV before they go to bed. From what I've seen, you don't have kids shows at nights anymore in Japan. They either air on Sunday morning or in the after noon when they come home from school. Dragon Ball, One Piece, Case Close, Kamen Rider, Super Sentai and Digimon seem to air on Sunday mornings while other Japanese kids shows like Pokemon, Naruto and Ultraman seem to air in the afternoons. Things are different they where 10-30 years ago. I doubt Super will do well air it on late at night since most younger kids won't stay up to watch it.
Dragon Ball originally aired at 7 PM Wednesdays. Pokemon airs at 7 PM Thursdays, followed by Naruto at 7:30. Ultraman Retsuden is slightly earlier at 6 PM, but that's still considered an evening hour by TV Tokyo itself. Detective Conan/Case Closed is also at 6 PM, not a morning show.

Some other big exceptions are Doraemon (19:00), Crayon Shin-chan (19:30), and Youkai Watch (18:30). Chibi Maruko-chan and Sazae-san do air in a block starting at 18:00, but Fuji TV apparently considers that their last afternoon hour, unlike other networks.

It is pretty noteworthy that Dragon Ball and One Piece are some of the only morning anime that can compete with big evening ones in the ratings. Maybe they would do better in the evenings, but there's also a risk that they'd lose their familiar audience and do as poorly as some of the weaker evening shows like Naruto.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:30 am

Thanks for the info, I'm not familiar how certain shows air in Japan. I was going off from what I know.
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Re: What is the General Consensus for Super?

Post by Araki » Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:41 am

TripleRach wrote:Dragon Ball originally aired at 7 PM Wednesdays. Pokemon airs at 7 PM Thursdays, followed by Naruto at 7:30. Ultraman Retsuden is slightly earlier at 6 PM, but that's still considered an evening hour by TV Tokyo itself. Detective Conan/Case Closed is also at 6 PM, not a morning show.

Some other big exceptions are Doraemon (19:00), Crayon Shin-chan (19:30), and Youkai Watch (18:30). Chibi Maruko-chan and Sazae-san do air in a block starting at 18:00, but Fuji TV apparently considers that their last afternoon hour, unlike other networks.

It is pretty noteworthy that Dragon Ball and One Piece are some of the only morning anime that can compete with big evening ones in the ratings. Maybe they would do better in the evenings, but there's also a risk that they'd lose their familiar audience and do as poorly as some of the weaker evening shows like Naruto.
It's worth mentioning Tv Tokyo is pretty much the only major station that still airs a fair amount of anime in the evening, but it seems they're a smaller network than the other big ones, so it probably wouldn't do them much good to move Naruto and their other shows (unlike what Fuji did when they moved OP back in 2006).

NTV (Conan and a companion show), Asahi (Doraemon and Shin-chan), Fuji (Maruko and Sazae) all have only one evening per week reserved for anime, and only a couple of series each, airing in the same block. Anime is truly almost limited to 00~11am these days.
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Re: What is the General Consensus for Super?

Post by SSJ3_Zack » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:21 pm

I've been having an absolute blast watching DragonBall Super so far. It's been a fun ride so far. I'm also really liking the extra stuff they've done with the Battle of Gods material. The series just keeps getting better and better for me personally. I can't wait to see what they'll do with Resurrection F and of course the new material! :D.

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Re: What is the General Consensus for Super?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:23 pm

It's nothing compared to Z,GT or Dragonball...but what isn't nothing compared to the legendary 3?! It's a good show. Just don't keep hating on it for not being Z teir,and you'll have a lot more fun.

The general feel I've seen people have is they don't want a retelling, but I think it's great! let um have time to think up universe 6 so they do it right and let em tell the stories form the last2 movies In the way they want.
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Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:48 am

Interested but not entertained at all. Super right now is the most generic thing I've ever watched. Nothing impressive for me about it really feels like a continuation of Z. Even compared to old DBZ; Super just feels like a dumbed down version of DB's own cliches. Pacing is just unbearable and it makes the overall show boring thus far with all the stalling and the drooling background characters.
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Re: What is the General Consensus for Super?

Post by Scott » Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:06 pm

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:It's nothing compared to Z,GT or Dragonball...but what isn't nothing compared to the legendary 3?! It's a good show. Just don't keep hating on it for not being Z teir,and you'll have a lot more fun.

The general feel I've seen people have is they don't want a retelling, but I think it's great! let um have time to think up universe 6 so they do it right and let em tell the stories form the last2 movies In the way they want.
Hating on it for not being Z tier is something i would never do, Z is a level that is too high to reach again. I'm complaining about it because it just isn't a good anime, it's really poor.

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Re: What is the General Consensus for Super?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:34 pm

Scott wrote:
LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:It's nothing compared to Z,GT or Dragonball...but what isn't nothing compared to the legendary 3?! It's a good show. Just don't keep hating on it for not being Z teir,and you'll have a lot more fun.

The general feel I've seen people have is they don't want a retelling, but I think it's great! let um have time to think up universe 6 so they do it right and let em tell the stories form the last2 movies In the way they want.
Hating on it for not being Z tier is something i would never do, Z is a level that is too high to reach again. I'm complaining about it because it just isn't a good anime, it's really poor.

At this point it's hard for me to defend the series, tired and I tried.....but I find myself wanting some of my favorites like trunks,korin and Broly to NOT show up for the shear fact I don't trust toei or Toriyama to do anything but muck up their characters and reputations.
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Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:03 pm

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote: At this point it's hard for me to defend the series, tired and I tried.....but I find myself wanting some of my favorites like trunks,Karin and Broly to NOT show up for the shear fact I don't trust toei or Toriyama to do anything but muck up their characters and reputations.
What's wrong with the show making making fun of them ?
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Post by irreality » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:17 pm

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:I don't trust toei or Toriyama to do anything but muck up their characters and reputations.
Their "reputations"?? One would think the DBS characters were off seducing young women and clubbing baby seals based on that statement…

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Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:17 am

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:
LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote: At this point it's hard for me to defend the series, tired and I tried.....but I find myself wanting some of my favorites like trunks,Karin and Broly to NOT show up for the shear fact I don't trust toei or Toriyama to do anything but muck up their characters and reputations.
What's wrong with the show making making fun of them ?

Because they do it in a disrespectful fashion to the characters,creators,and the fans of the characters! I'm all for a funny Vegeta scene, goku, vegeta and old kai in the buu saga is an example of GOOD humor because
1. it doesn't make anyone out of character
2. it's not cringe worthy
3. it's ACTUALLY FUNNY

Vegeta would never dance around or act so silly. They don't even try to make the characters act like themselves. I have had trouble sitting through each episode of super. I have nothing against others enjoying it,but I'm on skimming until it looks good mode. A new dragonball series shouldn't feel like a bad fan fiction.

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LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:I don't trust toei or Toriyama to do anything but muck up their characters and reputations.
Their "reputations"?? One would think the DBS characters were off seducing young women and clubbing baby seals based on that statement…
There's more then just 2 ways of ruining a characters images. I don't quite understand your comment. It just comes off as trying to make my comment look ridiculous. I'm sorry if feel so strongly in love with DBZ you find criticizing the new series ridiculous,I can actually understand respect that, I was once in that boat. But For me super is just a boiling pot,and I don't want to be the frog sitting in their dieing slowly rather then jumping out of the pot. You're entitled to like it, I respect your stance but so far I despise the series. I really really REALLY tried liking it. But it's...well the best way to put it is disappointing" .....I WANT it to do well and be great,but all I see since battle of gods is someone with vast potential dicking around.

I'm still going to check super out each week,but it's at the point that I may have to wait for the dub for it to be any sort of entertaining,as hard as I try the cons outway the pros in my eyes. Hope you enjoy it though.
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Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:09 pm

This 'character reputation' BS thing is just a fanwanked idealized vision of the character from the fans.

Also, why is so important their 'reputation' ? (Other than "is the way i like the character")
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Re: What is the General Consensus for Super?

Post by sintzu » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:29 pm

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:This 'character reputation' BS thing is just a fanwanked idealized vision of the character from the fans.
You can like the way they're written now if you want but the complains that the writing is getting isn't BS it's well deserved cause these characters are nothing more then exaggerated parodies of who they really are.
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Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:39 pm

sintzu wrote: You can like the way they're written now if you want but the complains that the writing is getting isn't BS it's well deserved cause these characters are nothing more then exaggerated parodies of who they really are.
Then we must have different definitions of what "being exaggerated parodies of who they really are".
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Re: What is the General Consensus for Super?

Post by sintzu » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:46 pm

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote: Then we must have different definitions of what "being exaggerated parodies of who they really are".
So you're saying that the Chichi we're seeing is Super is the same one who in Z told Gohan he could train with Goku and who took it upon herself to train Goten ?
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Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:46 pm

Freeza wanting to kill Krillin again to purposefully agitate Goku was a new low. Its pretty much the poster child for everything wrong with all things F related and the new material when it comes to developing characters.
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Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:09 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:Freeza wanting to kill Krillin again to purposefully agitate Goku was a new low. Its pretty much the poster child for everything wrong with all things F related and the new material when it comes to developing characters.
As people have explained to you before, it's a character trait of Freeza and he wants to torture Goku. He thinks he's strong enough to beat Goku now and he wants him to suffer, that's the whole point of his revenge, to make Goku suffer.

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Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:19 pm

sintzu wrote:
Neo-Makaiōshin wrote: Then we must have different definitions of what "being exaggerated parodies of who they really are".
So you're saying that the Chichi we're seeing is Super is the same one who in Z told Gohan he could train with Goku and who took it upon herself to train Goten ?
Considering that Z Chi-Chi is and exaggerated padory of manga Chi-Chi, yes, they are the same character.
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