"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[FortuneSSJ]

I forget, neither he nor Dende talked about this in the movie right? I don't remember them doing it.

They didn't it.

Also, your avatar is great. 100% original.

[ekrolo2]

I forget, neither he nor Dende talked about this in the movie right? I don't remember them doing it.

They didn't it.

Also, your avatar is great. 100% original.

I guess Toriyama didn't feel it important enough to mention, not a big deal really.

I know the gifs an older one, but when I saw it during my skulking through the avatar thread I couldn't resist. It's too good to pass up

[Faustus]

He was the only one who recognized Kaioshin, it was a big plot point for most of the Boo arc. And even though Godly Ki obviously wasn't introduced then, they made a big deal out of Piccolo being the only one who could recognize Kaioshin because of God (and the others couldn't sense his Ki, iirc).

But the fact remains that he's not a god proper, no? In terms of abilities, he can't make dragon balls either -- fused with Kami or not. Why would he now be able to detect a god's ki?

My best guess is that recognizing Kaioshin is in all likelihood just a result of having some degree of access to Kami's own knowledge, imparted to him as part of the merging process (like when he's able to recognize Dende after fusing with Nail). Needless to mention he's never noted as able to actually detect Kaioshin's ki, either.

[ekrolo2]

He was the only one who recognized Kaioshin, it was a big plot point for most of the Boo arc. And even though Godly Ki obviously wasn't introduced then, they made a big deal out of Piccolo being the only one who could recognize Kaioshin because of God (and the others couldn't sense his Ki, iirc).

But the fact remains that he's not a god proper, no? In terms of abilities, he can't make dragon balls either -- fused with Kami or not. Why would he now be able to detect a god's ki?

My best guess is that recognizing Kaioshin is in all likelihood just a result of having some degree of access to Kami's own knowledge, imparted to him as part of the merging process (like when he's able to recognize Dende after fusing with Nail). Needless to mention he's never noted as able to actually detect Kaioshin's ki, either.

I think it's also possible ver likely even that Supreme Kai was intentionally letting his power spill out so the Z-fighters could catch wind of it, specifically Piccolo me thinks. Beerus likely doesn't unless he feels the need to intimidate someone. In the movie Beerus' outrage happens fairly quickly with everyone moving in to stop him, so there's not really time for Piccolo & Dende to gawk and analyze his strength, in Super it doesn't make much sense given the span of time Beerus gives both Piccolo and Dende to feel him out.

[MCDaveG]

Damn, the manga is so awesome!
I need this **** in tankobon on my shelf!!

[FortuneSSJ]

But the fact remains that he's not a god proper, no? In terms of abilities, he can't make dragon balls either -- fused with Kami or not. Why would he now be able to detect a god's ki?
My best guess is that recognizing Kaioshin is in all likelihood just a result of having some degree of access to Kami's own knowledge, imparted to him as part of the merging process (like when he's able to recognize Dende after fusing with Nail). Needless to mention he's never noted as able to actually detect Kaioshin's ki, either.

Goku is a God too, can sense God Ki and can't make Dragon Balls either. You just need to be a God to sense other Gods.
Your rank as as God doesn't matter. If Piccolo should be able to sense/ not sense God Ki is debatable, since he's just half God. I would like it.

If he was 100% God like Goku/Kaioshin/Kaio etc... and couldn't feel it, then it would be a plothole.

What happened in the fight agaisnt Kaioshin in Tenkaichi Budokai is another thing. The fact that he was able to sense his God Ki could be the main reason why he back off, but it doesn't need to be. Since that scene always made sense and Toriyama only thought about God Ki in 2012.

What made Piccolo back off was respect, from his Kami side.

Spoiler:

I also don't think he would be any weaker than Kaioshin. This guy didn't do anything impressive at all, he was just a plot device.

[Faustus]

My point was only that Piccolo merging with Kami isn't likely to have left him with any of his godly tricks (be it god-sensing or dragon ball-creating). And this all the more so for the fact that the resulting Piccolo, having served as the base for the fusion, isn't himself a god at all -- and hence Goku needs to go fetch Dende to fill the vacuum.

[alakazam^]

Creating Dragon Balls isn't a God thing, it's a Dragon Clan's thing.

[Neon Z]

Whether Piccolo should be able to sense godly ki or not might be debatable, but Piccolo really should know about godly ki at least, and in the Super anime it seemed like he neither knew about it nor could sense it.

Regarding Kaioshin, even if he couldn't sense him, his knowledge added to that should be enough to tell that it's a god. If he can't sense him, that fact would already be an indication that it might be some kind of god, after all.

[Faustus]

alakazam^, fine -- feel free to elide "godly" out of "godly tricks" in my last post. Let's just say Kami's "tricks", period.

If he's not inheriting any of the Dragon Clan (i.e. Namekian) powers like creating dragon balls, why would he get any of specifically those god-exclusive abilities that were conferred to Kami as part and parcel of his divine status -- when the merged Piccolo has no share whatsoever in that status? You'd think he'd have even less chance of getting those. Let's all bear in mind that in Dragon Ball -- with the possible exception of Super Saiyan God -- being a god is more a position than it is a state-of-being.

[LuckyCat]

Isn't that whole "Dragon Clan" thing a dubism, or at least retconned later? I mean even Dende can create dragonballs, so we may well assume all Namekkians can do it if given the right environment and time.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Isn't that whole "Dragon Clan" thing a dubism, or at least retconned later?

It's neither a dubism, nor was it ever retconned.

I mean even Dende can create dragonballs, so we may well assume all Namekkians can do it if given the right environment and time.

That's true. Any Namekian that belongs to the Dragon Clan can create Dragon Balls, if they know how.

[LuckyCat]

That's true. Any Namekian that belongs to the Dragon Clan can create Dragon Balls, if they know how.

Which is what, every Namekkian we see except Piccolo and Lord Slug?

[irreality]

We don't actually know. Guru, Muuri and Dende are that sort of Namek (and Kami/maybe Nameless Namek), and Piccolo and Nail are fighter type nameks. Other than that, we don't know.

[Sandubadear]

That's true. Any Namekian that belongs to the Dragon Clan can create Dragon Balls, if they know how.

Which is what, every Namekkian we see except Piccolo and Lord Slug?

From Daizenshuu 4:

Dragon Clan Namekians can create dragonballs.
The greatest unique trait of the Dragon Clan is their ability to create objects, and if they reach genius-class they can even create dragonballs. Because Kami who came to Earth and Dende were both prodigies, they could easily create dragonballs and call forth Shenlong.

So it's not all Dragon Clan members, only the prodigies.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

From Daizenshu 4, as per Kanzentai:

• There are the Dragon Clan and warrior-type.
  There are two types that exist: the Dragon Clan, who are the basic variety of Namekian, and the warrior-types, birthed by the Eldest to protect each village. Dragon Clan Namekians have the ability to create objects, while warrior-type Namekians are endowed with battle potential of instantaneous force; both live a life of mutual cooperation. Dragon Clan Namekians have an intellectual air to them. Warrior-type Namekians; their muscular face and build looks different from that of a Dragon Clan Namekian.
  
  Dragon Clan Namekians can create Dragon Balls.
  The greatest unique trait of the Dragon Clan is their ability to create objects, and if they reach genius-class they can even create Dragon Balls. Because Kami who came to Earth and Dende were both prodigies, they could easily create Dragon Balls and call forth Shenlong.
  
  The seven elders protect the Dragon Balls and their villages.
  The Namekians make offerings to their gigantic Dragon Balls as if they were protective gods. The elders, beginning with the Eldest, serve the role of protectors and defend against their misuse from outside invaders. Apart from the elder, in each village there are several warrior-type Namekians to serve as bodyguards. The chart is of the relationships between them as well as Kami, who came to Earth 300~400 years ago, and Daimao.
  
  

[eledoremassis02]

So king piccolo is warrior clan? It's rather confusing since Kami/King Piccolo/Piccolo are essentially the same

[TheDevilsCorpse]

So king piccolo is warrior clan? It's rather confusing since Kami/King Piccolo/Piccolo are essentially the same

Piccolo Daimao is a Dragon Clansmen. I didn't grab the rest of the page, but birthing eggs is a skill of the Dragon Clan.

Piccolo Junior is a Warrior though...with a couple of Dragon Clan skills because of his complicated origin.

[goku the krump dancer]

So are the Dragon clansmen also capable of fighting or was Daimao a special case because Dende is no where near a fighter and Muuri was killed before he had a chance to truly defend himself.

[Absolute Ice]

I wish they give us more information about Katattsu.