"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:03 am

voltlunok wrote: I'm more shocked that Super Sentai has completely fallen off that list

Toei and Bandai considers Super Sentai and Power Rangers to be the same brand. Also Toei and Bandai Japan also gets money from the Power Rangers license fee. Whatever money the Power Rangers series makes in the US, Toei and Bandai JP also get money also as well.

voltlunok · Post by **voltlunok** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:10 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:
voltlunok wrote: I'm more shocked that Super Sentai has completely fallen off that list
Toei and Bandai considers Super Sentai and Power Rangers to be the same brand. Also Toei and Bandai Japan also gets money from the Power Rangers license fee. Whatever money the Power Rangers series makes in the US, Toei and Bandai JP also get money also as well.

That makes little sense, cause the toy lines don't really share molds that much any more...changers at best but yeah alright.

FortuneSSJ · Post by **FortuneSSJ** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:31 pm

Zombie wrote:The mere fact that Piccolo is in there gives me hope he will play a big role in the U6 arc.

Just give him the Namekian Book of Legends and he will find a way to power up himself right away.

Noah · Post by **Noah** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 11:20 pm

I miss the bloody scenes in DB

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:08 am

The series was never that bloody to begin with. Besides Kai still had blood in it and we did saw some blood in ROF.

fadeddreams5 · Post by **fadeddreams5** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:16 am

The series was much more violent and edgy in comparison though. It pulled no punches. First episode, the main character has a hole blasted through him. In the Vegeta arc, he's tortured. In the Namek saga, we see humanoid children and elders get mercilessly slaughtered. In the Ginyu arc, Gohan's neck is snapped. In the Frieza arc, Krillin is impaled in one of the most bloody scenes any kid probably ever saw in his youth. Frieza is sliced to bits twice in the series. And the list goes on and on.

It's foolish to expect ANY of this in Super. I don't even expect something like this coming from Goku in a battle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChJZ77cOs5M

I just can't see him being angry and serious; he's too busy having a boner in all his modern fights.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:24 am

All of that was really tame. It's not like the violence in the series was really extreme. DBZ is Hello Kitty compare to something like Beserk, Ninja Scroll (the movie), Devilman, The Guyver, Corpse Party, Hellsing and Urotsukidoji. When they would show blood or any level of violence in the series, it was hardly bad if you ask me. If it's not on the level of a R rated movie then I view as tame since PG and PG-13 movies can get away with a lot of things these days.

Some fans just want to over hype the violence in the series because they refuse to admit that the show is for elementary and middle schoolers. Fans want Dragon Ball to be like a Nolan film or be a NC-17 film series.

ArchedThunder · Post by **ArchedThunder** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:54 am

If we're talking about the scene from episode 11 where Goku has a hole punched into his chest by Beerus, I honestly don't think that was censored. I legitimately believe that they wanted to put SSG's aura over the hole and make it look like it was leaking out, especially because of the framing of the underwater scene where the aura stops and the hole is completely gone and then the aura lights on his limbs and explodes out over his whole body.
I still don't think we'll get super bloody stuff in Super though, the amount of blood we saw in Kai and F is probably what we'll get at extreme moments, and that's just fine with me.

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:03 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:The series was much more violent and edgy in comparison though. It pulled no punches. First episode, the main character has a hole blasted through him. In the Vegeta arc, he's tortured. In the Namek saga, we see humanoid children and elders get mercilessly slaughtered. In the Ginyu arc, Gohan's neck is snapped. In the Freeza arc, Krillin is impaled in one of the most bloody scenes any kid probably ever saw in his youth. Freeza is sliced to bits twice in the series. And the list goes on and on.

Vegeta getting beaten to death by Freeza&Tien getting his arm ripped off by Nappa are also things that will never happen.

irreality · Post by **irreality** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:23 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:The series was much more violent and edgy in comparison though. It pulled no punches. First episode, the main character has a hole blasted through him. In the Vegeta arc, he's tortured. In the Namek saga, we see humanoid children and elders get mercilessly slaughtered. In the Ginyu arc, Gohan's neck is snapped. In the Freeza arc, Krillin is impaled in one of the most bloody scenes any kid probably ever saw in his youth. Freeza is sliced to bits twice in the series. And the list goes on and on.

It's foolish to expect ANY of this in Super. I don't even expect something like this coming from Goku in a battle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChJZ77cOs5M

I just can't see him being angry and serious; he's too busy having a boner in all his modern fights.

So Goku had a hole punched through him by Beerus this time. Does it make it less of a fact because you didn't see his blood? Or because he was healed a moment later? Krillin was also healed from his impalement within the episode.

Lots of people have died so far in Super… 8 planets worth at least, visibly 1 1/2 planets. Half a planet destroyed in the first episode. but I guess it falls in the realm of "a million is a statistic"?

Vegeta Sr. was also tortured in front of his kid. A lot of things have happened (in the serious/violent front) compared to the first ten episodes of the other series. I think it goes back to trying to condense everything Super will be or can be into ten episodes, compared to hundreds for the other series.

By episode 11 of DB:

1. Nobody had really died other than random wolves or mooks.
2. Nothing particularly violent or gruesome had happened.
3. Most of the fights were low stakes -- there are some neat shots of the Kamehame ha against a volcano, but that is it.
4. Most of the confrontations were either silly or Goku enjoyed himself a lot.
5. Finally at this point we have some stakes: our heroes are imprisoned and Pilaf summoned the dragon. But the villian is Pilaf… so…
6. Sillyness and humor is up to 1000%.

Yet DB goes on to have moments like Krillin's death and Piccolo Daimao arc. Which was serious and looked violent, and the stakes were very high. And it had serious fights in the tournaments, and was very martial arts focused. That wouldn't happen for a while, yet.

By Episode 11 of DBZ:

1. Radditz and Goku had died. That was gruesome but we know the DBs will revive Goku -- it is a deliberate tactic.
2. Trouble in Arlia finally has the Saiyans on screen killing a bug planet (you are saved by this being episode 11!). This is no different than Beerus killing 1 1/2 planets. At least he Ho ho ho planet was cuter than the bug planets and you felt more for those aliens, in my opinion.
3. A lot of it is Gohan training in the wilderness. Which although adorable, is not particularly violent or high stakes.
4. Goku is on Snake way. A lot. He hasn't even fallen into hell, yet!
5. It is not that humorous, but it isn't the most serious show, ever. Looking at this list of episodes, I suddenly realize how little has really happened in DBZ at this point. Sure, it starts strong with Radditz, but after that, there is a whole lot of nothing (Adorable nothing, since Gohan is cute with Mr. Robot, but still!).

Yet we know how DBZ turns out…

By Episode 11 of GT:

1. Sure, the world is going to be destroyed. But not by anyone in particular. It is just a side effect of a silly wish.
2. All the villains, so far, are not even a match for a SSJ, much less higher levels. The most exciting fight is Uub vs. Goku, which is not serious.
3. Pan getting turned into a doll and the pedophilic undertones of this whole segment are by far the most disturbing thing happened.
4. There is no seriousness, and silliness abounds (and a lot of it is not funny silliness, just silliness, like defeating breakdancing monsters, or being foiled by a capitalist planet).

I agree Super has been more offscreen violence/less bloody than before. And the tone is lighter (I mean, Krillin hasn't died, yet… Normally the trigger for "serious Goku"). But violent things have been happening, and it is early days. Maybe you can't take them seriously because it is Beerus and you know he is an "ally" of sorts? Beerus is not meant to be like the evil overlord villains like Piccolo Daimao or Freeza were, where Goku got really serious (and those were later in both those series). If you look at more "challenge battles" in the series, even Piccolo Jr's tournament battle, you know there is an element of danger, but there is also an element of Goku enjoying himself.

Ultimately, I think I'm of an age where I don't need things to be "edgy" or "for an older audience" and can't find myself caring whether blood is visible or whether I hear agonized screams from my favorite characters. At the same time, plotwise, I think Super is doing quite well for itself in balancing out jokes and tension. It is possible Super will never have a very serious arc, but we don't know yet. It is too early to tell.

FortuneSSJ · Post by **FortuneSSJ** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:20 am

Remember that rumour some pages ago, about the new anime Monster Hunter that will air on Fuji Tv, could take Super timeslot?! Well its happening:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-b ... ies/.93208

Nah, just kidding, it will have a new timeslot. Seems like Fuji Tv didn't a open a new one since One Piece back in 2009. This Monster Hunter series must be really famous then.

FutureGohanSSJ2 · Post by **FutureGohanSSJ2** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:30 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:The series was much more violent and edgy in comparison though. It pulled no punches. First episode, the main character has a hole blasted through him.

>First episode.

How long has it been since you've seen DBZ? The old anime took for goddamn ever. More like the main character got a hole through him on, I believe the 4th of 5th episode.

And honestly, this scene in Super where Beerus claws a hole in his chest, could be equally as "TV risky" as the pounds of blood in the old show. Did you see Goku's face? He went...pale. That was the first time we'd ever seen that. Even when Yamcha had a hole through him from Gero, his eyes faded, but not his skin. In this scene, we /literally see the life begin to fade from Goku's body. That's pretty intense.

Noah · Post by **Noah** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:53 am

I don't remember seeing bloody scenes in GT probably it was when started this new violence pattern policy. It's sad because bloody scenes are good to convey the drama and the seriousness of the plot

FortuneSSJ · Post by **FortuneSSJ** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:58 am

Noah wrote:I don't remember seeing bloody scenes in GT probably it was when started this new violence pattern policy. It's sad because bloody scenes are good to convey the drama and the seriousness of the plot

0:18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHosXNR1v1M

Araki · Post by **Araki** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:13 pm

LOL @ "first episode the main character had a hole through him". First DBZ episode was all about Gohan being cute.

I agree about how Goku suddenly going pale was rather intense, as seeing life stolen out of him, and even an unexpected moment. I don't remember something similar...

fadeddreams5 wrote:I just can't see him being angry and serious; he's too busy having a boner in all his modern fights.

You could actually include any post-Freeza Goku fight there. He was never that "angry and serious" against Cell, Buu and the other minor opponents, just "having a boner" as you said...

Btu maybe that's supposed to be the point of Whis' teachings to him in RoF, so we can see Goku getting more serious while fighting later on?

irreality wrote:Ultimately, I think I'm of an age where I don't need things to be "edgy" or "for an older audience" and can't find myself caring whether blood is visible or whether I hear agonized screams from my favorite characters.

Pretty much my thoughts. That's more something people in their late teens or very early 20's care about.
They need to convince themselves whatever they're watching is for adults after all.

fadeddreams5 · Post by **fadeddreams5** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:56 pm

irreality wrote:So Goku had a hole punched through him by Beerus this time. Does it make it less of a fact because you didn't see his blood? Or because he was healed a moment later? Krillin was also healed from his impalement within the episode.

Lots of people have died so far in Super… 8 planets worth at least, visibly 1 1/2 planets. Half a planet destroyed in the first episode. but I guess it falls in the realm of "a million is a statistic"?

Vegeta Sr. was also tortured in front of his kid. A lot of things have happened (in the serious/violent front) compared to the first ten episodes of the other series. I think it goes back to trying to condense everything Super will be or can be into ten episodes, compared to hundreds for the other series.

I agree Super has been more offscreen violence/less bloody than before. And the tone is lighter (I mean, Krillin hasn't died, yet… Normally the trigger for "serious Goku"). But violent things have been happening, and it is early days. Maybe you can't take them seriously because it is Beerus and you know he is an "ally" of sorts? Beerus is not meant to be like the evil overlord villains like Piccolo Daimao or Freeza were, where Goku got really serious (and those were later in both those series). If you look at more "challenge battles" in the series, even Piccolo Jr's tournament battle, you know there is an element of danger, but there is also an element of Goku enjoying himself.

Presentation is a big factor of how I will respond to any scene. For example, when Buu turns a population of humans into candy and eats them, it's so absurd, I chuckle, even though these individuals are technically being killed on-screen. Likewise, when Beerus blows up a planet of fearful or unintelligible digimon-looking creatures I have no emotional connection with, my response is more aimed at Beerus' strength than the actual aliens killed. Add to the fact that their deaths are only implications since you don't visibly see them die.

Now, when I watch humanoid children of a species I am familiar with get blown up on-screen, see their crispy corpses, witness the villains laughing at their own actions, and notice how scared and sad their families are, the feeling I get is much different; it sets a very distinctive mood. I like this sense of tension and helplessness--it creates more anticipation for me to watch the next episode.

As for Vegeta Sr., this is another example of presentation preventing me from caring or feeling any sort of sympathy for the character. He was being "tortured" because of some pillow dilemma. No blood or fighting back. Beerus just used him as a stool because... he gave him the wrong pillow. Is this supposed to be funny? Show me their initial encounter! Make it about the SSJG, and Vegeta's ignorance and arrogance leading to Beerus punishing him! Show the short "fight"! Show blood! Let me see Beerus kill a bunch of Vegeta Sr.'s soldiers! Give me Vegeta Sr's reaction of fear as he realizes that not only is he powerless, but he is fighting a god! Have Beerus gag his throat with his tail until he begs for forgiveness, all while Vegeta Jr. watches!

Ultimately, I think I'm of an age where I don't need things to be "edgy" or "for an older audience" and can't find myself caring whether blood is visible or whether I hear agonized screams from my favorite characters.

Hey, I like lighthearted cartoons too. I don't need everything to be edgy. lol. The reason I have an issue with Super is because that tension and seriousness I mentioned was the reason I became a huge fan of DBZ in the first place. I probably would have liked DB if I watched it before DBZ, but not have become a huge fan of the series either. DBZ was special. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't. I just wish Super and all this modern stuff took more risks and stopped trying so hard with the gags. Episode 11 was pretty good, but I much, much prefer the direction of the manga than the anime, if only it wasn't so fast-paced.

FutureGohanSSJ2 wrote:>First episode.

How long has it been since you've seen DBZ? The old anime took for goddamn ever. More like the main character got a hole through him on, I believe the 4th of 5th episode.

LOL @ "first episode the main character had a hole through him". First DBZ episode was all about Gohan being cute.

First episode, Raditz arrived. Fourth/fifth episode, the main character has a hole blasted through him. I wasn't being literal. My point is that sense of tension was present from the very beginning. No punches pulled.

And honestly, this scene in Super where Beerus claws a hole in his chest, could be equally as "TV risky" as the pounds of blood in the old show. Did you see Goku's face? He went...pale. That was the first time we'd ever seen that. Even when Yamcha had a hole through him from Gero, his eyes faded, but not his skin. In this scene, we /literally see the life begin to fade from Goku's body. That's pretty intense.

It's too bad the minute he thought about Beerus' strength, his rock hard boner healed his wound, killing any emotion.

When was the last time Goku was stabbed? Piccolo fight? Yeah, and he could barely stand because, rule of thumb, if you're pierced, the wound doesn't just vanish because you get excited. Yamcha and Krillin were also stabbed, and they would have died if they weren't instantly healed.

Now Goku has regeneration, apparently.

Araki · Post by **Araki** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:14 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:When was the last time Goku was stabbed? Piccolo fight? Yeah, and he could barely stand because, rule of thumb, if you're pierced, the wound doesn't just vanish because you get excited. Yamcha and Krillin were also stabbed, and they would have died if they weren't instantly healed.

Now Goku has regeneration, apparently.

I like how you ignore the fact you're talking about a GOD with God-like powers, and even comparing him to young Goku.

fadeddreams5 · Post by **fadeddreams5** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:19 pm

Araki wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:When was the last time Goku was stabbed? Piccolo fight? Yeah, and he could barely stand because, rule of thumb, if you're pierced, the wound doesn't just vanish because you get excited. Yamcha and Krillin were also stabbed, and they would have died if they weren't instantly healed.

Now Goku has regeneration, apparently.
I like how you ignore the fact you're talking about a GOD with God-like powers, and even comparing him to young Goku.

A GOD who was pierced by a mook in F, and nearly died. lol

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:21 pm

Dragon Ball being an inconsistent piece of shit isn't exactly news.

JoeCapricorn · Post by **JoeCapricorn** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:29 pm

I wonder if Champa and Beerus might be two pieces of the same being - for one, they both have earrings, but on opposite ears and in the poster those earrings are aligned perfectly. That has to be intentional, for some reason.

At the very least, that poster is indicating there is a definite link between the two beyond being purple cats or even siblings.

So what are Champa's intentions? Evil, I'm guessing. Maybe he was the previous God of Destruction. We might find out soon or not soon, depending on when he appears.

Champa and Beerus combining would make a tall purple cat with a very big aura and power that exceeds Whis, if there is a being capable of slaying Whis it would present a very dire scenario for our heroes.

Champa's attendant has not been named yet, there could be a reason for that. Perhaps she is also named Whis, though it could be Rum or Scotch or Tequila or Sour Mash Old Number 7 Tennessee Whiskey.

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