"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Doctor.]

First episode, Raditz arrived. Fourth/fifth episode, the main character has a hole blasted through him. I wasn't being literal. My point is that sense of tension was present from the very beginning. No punches pulled.

First episode, Beerus arrived. Fifth episode, the main character is effortlessly defeated in two hits.

[fadeddreams5]

First episode, Raditz arrived. Fourth/fifth episode, the main character has a hole blasted through him. I wasn't being literal. My point is that sense of tension was present from the very beginning. No punches pulled.

First episode, Beerus arrived. Fifth episode, the main character is effortlessly defeated in two hits.

Beerus doesn't come off as menacing. He's too adorable.

And episode 5 had the worst animation in the history of this series. It was unintentional comedic gold.

[Doctor.]

Beerus doesn't come off as menacing. He's too adorable.

And episode 5 had the worst animation in the history of this series. It was unintentional comedic gold.

Because you've seen Battle of Gods already. Beerus was menacing in the first 5 episodes of Super.

Just for half of it.

[Hellspawn28]

Blood in the series was never the series strongest point. Why do we need it so much when the series was never a R rated franchise to begin with? The blood and gore in DB was never that extreme anyways. As someone else, it seems like the demand to be darker and gritter is something that the western older audience wants. Just give me a enjoyable show, that's what I care about.

I don't remember seeing bloody scenes in GT probably it was when started this new violence pattern policy. It's sad because bloody scenes are good to convey the drama and the seriousness of the plot

GT had little to no blood. The most violent scene in GT was when Super Yi Xing Long stab Vegeta with his spike for his dragon thunder attack. Everything else in GT was very tame. GT is the tamest out of the DB shows so far. People even felt like that GT was made for younger kids lower then what it was normally was before 1996. GT was never dark at all since it felt campy most of the time.

[Captain Space]

Beerus doesn't come off as menacing. He's too adorable.

Eh, subjective. That's a pretty valid opinion, but for me, I've always loved that Beerus is a villain with a comedic side and a serious, menacing side, both of which I find quite effective. (Again, not saying you're wrong.)

[JulieYBM]

Blood and violence are a key ingredient in visual-based storytelling. They communicate severity like dialogue does not. Dragon Ball has had a lot of extreme violence over its original run, so it certainly isn't something that was never a part of the franchise or what helped make it interesting. With Dragon Ball being produced in the time it is being produced in we are not going to get the sort of violence we originally received, though.

[fadeddreams5]

Beerus doesn't come off as menacing. He's too adorable.

And episode 5 had the worst animation in the history of this series. It was unintentional comedic gold.

Because you've seen Battle of Gods already. Beerus was menacing in the first 5 episodes of Super.

Just for half of it.

I admit, watching Battle of Gods ruined the air of mystery Beerus brought. But it doesn't change the fact that episodes 1-4 were mostly slice of life with Beerus on the side, usually blowing up the planets of digimon-looking creatures and doing other silly things. Episode 5... I don't need to comment on. Episode 6 was gag galore with Vegeta until the end. Episode 8 was more gag galore, despite the fact it was built up to be action packed. Episode 9 had a cheesy transformation sequence butchered with terrible art and animation, concluding with Fairy Goku. Episode 10... I actually forgot what happened here besides the "Ping Ping."

And no, I'm not arguing over the pace. I'm saying it's been too lighthearted and uneventful compared to the start of DBZ/Kai, where, even if we get humorous scenes, everything is a means to preventing an actual scary threat approaching. Mind you, Super is picking up, starting with episode 11. I have high expectations for episode 12.

[Chuquita]

Re: Beerus

In BOG felt more like "if your cat could talk and also have superpowers" where he feels more like a villain in Super. This could change in the next arc though.

[Hellspawn28]

The original DB show had silliest and funny humor. Why is it so bad when DB goes back to being funny again? Did fans forget what the series was originally once was?

[Neon Z]

When was the last time Goku was stabbed? Piccolo fight? Yeah, and he could barely stand because, rule of thumb, if you're pierced, the wound doesn't just vanish because you get excited. Yamcha and Krillin were also stabbed, and they would have died if they weren't instantly healed.

Now Goku has regeneration, apparently.

I like how you ignore the fact you're talking about a GOD with God-like powers, and even comparing him to young Goku.

A GOD who was pierced by a mook in F, and nearly died. lol

They're seemingly tweaking SSJ God here anyway, like the lack of a time limit so far and the mentions of their battle impacting the entire universe. Maybe this regeneration is just another change?

[Araki]

Yeah, he's talking like Super and RoF happened in the same continuity, lol. I don't even..
SSG clearly isn't getting the same treatment from BoG. He should come back when Super reaches that point and it happens exactly how in RoF, then we talk.

[Raizel]

When was the last time Goku was stabbed? Piccolo fight? Yeah, and he could barely stand because, rule of thumb, if you're pierced, the wound doesn't just vanish because you get excited. Yamcha and Krillin were also stabbed, and they would have died if they weren't instantly healed.

Now Goku has regeneration, apparently.

I like how you ignore the fact you're talking about a GOD with God-like powers, and even comparing him to young Goku.

A GOD who was pierced by a mook in F, and nearly died. lol

Yeah I think this will be retconned as well.

[fadeddreams5]

The original DB show had silliest and funny humor. Why is it so bad when DB goes back to being funny again? Did fans forget what the series was originally once was?

My issue is the context and placement. The beginning of Dragon Ball was an adventure story, where anything could happen, especially considering no one had the powers of gods from the start. And that's fine because the objective was to find all the dragon balls, not save the planet. All of this humor was welcomed.

In Super, the main source of intrigue is Beerus discovering the SSJG and fighting with everyone, but the series is littered with slice of life episodes. When Beerus enters the scene, we get things like Vegeta going OoC to become a chef, Oolong playing with Beerus, or Pilaf sapping screen time. It's reminiscent to Mr. Satan and crew during the Cell Games. It kills the mood and gets in the way of what I want to see. Combine all of this with fluff, such as the SSJG ritual and SSJG's appearance. This isn't like DB or DBZ; it really is its own thing, which may or may not be a good thing, depending on how you look at it.

They're seemingly tweaking SSJ God here anyway, like the lack of a time limit so far and the mentions of their battle impacting the entire universe. Maybe this regeneration is just another change?

This is true. They've also been showcasing more over-the-top feats. We shall see.

He should come back when Super reaches that point and it happens exactly how in RoF, then we talk.

Well, okay then! I'll be here!!

[Captain Space]

Yeah, he's talking like Super and RoF happened in the same continuity, lol. I don't even..
SSG clearly isn't getting the same treatment from BoG. He should come back when Super reaches that point and it happens exactly how in RoF, then we talk.

No need to be condescending, there is gonna be an arc based on RF and it's not always obvious what lines up and what doesn't. And there are some plot points they have in Super that seem to be there for no other reason than they were in BoG (like Pilaf's gang), so hey, maybe the laser thing will still happen. (Given what we've seen in this newest episode it would make far more sense if it doesn't, but I hold the laser made little sense anyway so I dunno.)

[Doctor.]

When Beerus enters the scene, we get things like Vegeta going OoC to become a chef

That's not out of character at all. You can make an argument about how the bingo scene is, but this one isn't at all.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Could I speak with VegettoEX or another trustworthy moderator, please? I have a very important question regarding Dragon Ball Super.

[fadeddreams5]

When Beerus enters the scene, we get things like Vegeta going OoC to become a chef

That's not out of character at all. You can make an argument about how the bingo scene is, but this one isn't at all.

lol. When I wrote that, I was expecting you to reply to that snippet.

But seriously, when has Vegeta ever known how to cook? Last I checked, he ate his aliens raw. Just seemed random to me.

Could I speak with VegettoEX or another trustworthy moderator, please? I have a very important question regarding Dragon Ball Super.

Shoot them a PM. >.>

[Doctor.]

But seriously, when has Vegeta ever known how to cook? Last I checked, he ate his aliens raw. Just seemed random to me.

And that's what you find out-of-character? He used to eat aliens raw back when he was a savage beast. It's entirely possible he knows how to cook out of necessity (hell, Goku knows how to cook), or just as a hobby. If we found out Kuririn likes golf, I wouldn't say it's out of character lol. It's simply something about x character that we never knew about.

There's absolutely nothing out of character about the chef Vegeta scene. Of course you're entitled to dislike it for whatever reason, but to say it's OoC is another matter entirely.

[fadeddreams5]

It's just something I don't expect from Vegeta, at all. Not so much knowing how to cook, but randomly dropping into the ocean, putting on a chef uniform, and showing off his cooking skills is something that completely falls outside his usual pattern of behavior, so I just see it as... out of character. =P

[Araki]

And that's what you find out-of-character? He used to eat aliens raw back when he was a savage beast. It's entirely possible he knows how to cook out of necessity (hell, Goku knows how to cook), or just as a hobby. If we found out Kuririn likes golf, I wouldn't say it's out of character lol. It's simply something about x character that we never knew about.

Like Yamcha playing baseball, for instance. Well, it was only in the anime, but still Toriyama's idea. He was never against characters learning how to do new things, and he shouldn't anyway, unless he wanted everyone to remain stale.

As for Vegeta, he knew how to prepare food as a savage, and he's now used to a civilized and rich life style, so why wouldn't he evolve in that regard too? It's just that he was going overboard for comedic effect. It just annoys me when i see people who are so against that, but were not such critics of old stuff like Piccolo playing volleyball or trying to get a driver's license.