What phrases/opinions/things bring out your irate fanboy?

[Doctor.]

What do you take "objective" to mean?

Factual, obviously.

[ABED]

What do you take "objective" to mean?

Factual, obviously.

So if my drawing looks like Ron Swanson, but I say it looks like Goku, it's all opinion?

[Doctor.]

So if my drawing looks like Ron Swanson, but I say it looks like Goku, it's all opinion?

No, that's the same as saying a fork looks like a tree. You took things out of context. The context here is entertainment, literature.

[ABED]

I didn't take it out of context. I'm simply saying that characters look objectively a certain way. Obviously there's wiggle room, but not everything is subjective. Goku can't look like anything. The further you divert from that form, you can state objectively/factually, "that's not Goku". I was well within the same context.

[Doctor.]

I didn't take it out of context. I'm simply saying that characters look objectively a certain way. Obviously there's wiggle room, but not everything is subjective. Goku can't look like anything. The further you divert from that form, you can state objectively/factually, "that's not Goku". I was well within the same context.

Sure, but that already deviated from fadeddreams5's examples. We'll agree that quality is subjective in regards to literature for most aspects, then.

[Zephyr]

No you only focus on the cons it seems yes the actors were amateurish in the early Saiyan/Freeza arcs but after that they got better and again the music is purely SUBJECTIVE i don't like the Japanese music but i don't dismiss the entire dub because of it and neither do i call the music "Trash" there are many kikuchi&Yamamoto tracks that i like.

I'm only focusing on the flaws because they are very clearly existent and easy to see. This means that the flaws do stand out when you're looking at it with a critical lenses. Something whose flaws were able to remain more concealed when looking at it critically would be more favorably treated.

And yes, I know they got better after Season 3. That's the point. The acting quality is inconsistent. They redubbed some sections, but not all of them. You rewatch the series, and during the Namek arc it becomes incredibly clear that you're watching an entirely different phase of production. When the intended watching order of the series does not run parallel to the quality of production, the flaws become more noticeable, since the quality shifts around.

As someone who enjoys the Faulconer score (I never called it trash), I can still make the argument that it doesn't fit. Kikuchi's score is tailor made for the genre that Dragon Ball belongs to. From Pilaf to Buu, it is one series, with one main genre. The dub ignores this fact and embellishes the hell out of the differences between the two halves, to the point where they're not accurately translating the spirit of the series. It even has wildly varying musical scores (and yes, even during the Z portion). That's an objective observation, which is what I've been doing this entire time, not saying "this music is good, this music is bad" (those would be subjective criticisms). You can enjoy a version that loses the spirit of the series (once again, and with emphasis: I enjoy the exact dub that we are discussing), but that doesn't mean it is a quality translation of the spirit of the series.

What I'm discussing is the craftsmanship of the product as a whole that Funimation produced. There are so many red flags that indicate inconsistent and poor design choices. And again, you can enjoy this product. You can also observe its flaws, even conclude that it's a terrible product (structurally), and still think it gets by on its charm.

THIS IS TRASH>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XSeBLPU_s4

And why is this trash? Explain your point. Show, not tell. Demonstrate. Elaborate. Is it the inaccuracies? Is it the acting quality? Is it something else that could also be turned toward the dub you're defending the craftsmanship of?

[Ree]

i don't like that so many fanfics make Gohan into this "badass" and base his entire character on Ss2 Teen Gohan.

[Khin]

i don't like that so many fanfics make Gohan into this "badass" and base his entire character on Ss2 Teen Gohan.

Pretty much 95% of Gohan fans on Youtube and Facebook are like that

[Ree]

Yeah which is sad since they're in love with an OC that has his name and not real Gohan

[Khin]

Yeah which is sad since they're in love with an OC that has his name and not real Gohan

what do you mean by OC?

[ParkerAL]

OC stands for "Original Character." Basically any character a fan writer or artist creates who wasn't in the work originally.

[fadeddreams5]

Pretty sure he means out of character. SSJ2 Gohan was intentionally OOC because his powers took control of his actions.

Edit: Nvm.

[soduh2]

As of late, I've been annoyed by the Tenshinhan "realists". It seems that a lot of fans constantly complained that the Saiyans were getting too much attention, yet many of the same ones attempt to explain away TIEN's feats like holding back Semi-Perfect Cell or surviving the human extinction attack (and knocking a away Buu's blast). Still annoyed by the autocorrect of this forum.

The say vs. "s-eye" pronunciation debate has bothered me recently after watching Dragon Ball Super. I understand that Sai is pronounced S-eye (like the weapon) and it explains the Saiya-jin name pun (Yasai). However, watching dragon ball super I here some characters pronounce Saiya-jin with the "say" pronunciation (Whis and Beerus in particular). While others (Goku or Vegeta) use S-eye. I'm wondering if it has something to do with casual vs proper Japanese phonetics.

[VegettoEX]

The say vs. "s-eye" pronunciation debate has bothered me recently after watching Dragon Ball Super. I understand that Sai is pronounced S-eye (like the weapon) and it explains the Saiya-jin name pun (Yasai). However, watching dragon ball super I here some characters pronounce Saiya-jin with the "say" pronunciation (Whis and Beerus in particular). While others (Goku or Vegeta) use S-eye. I'm wondering if it has something to do with casual vs proper Japanese phonetics.

They are not pronouncing it that way, with the one exception of an entire scene early on based around not remembering what the word was ("say" vs "soy" vs "sai"). You are not hearing them regularly pronouncing it a la FUNimation's English dub.

[EXBadguy]

Last one, then I'm done.

I wish some folks would just stop acting like they're gods because they like Kikuchi more than Faulconer Productions(I call it that now cuz of this) or any other composer. I prefer Faulconer over Kikuchi, but you've never seen me be all "elitistic' about it. Sure, in the past I've made fun of Kikuchi's Z work, BUT I've never looked down on people cuz they liked it. Both the Kikuchi fanboys and Faulconers fanboys need to knock it off, but I think the Kikuchi fanboys can be worse sometimes.

There's a difference between recommending something and belittling somebody becuz they didn't listen to this and that.

[Khin]

People calling Beerus as ''Bills''.

[Quebaz]

People calling Beerus as ''Bills''.

Even worse, people who defend that spelling and refuse to switch because some foreign dubs used it. We don't don't say Goku's Saiyan name is "Cachalote" or that the Kamehameha is called the "Vital Wave" now do we?

[Absolute Ice]

People calling Beerus as ''Bills''.

And there is nothing wrong with it as well. Some official dubs use that way.

All official names can be used with no problem. The fact people don't say "Cachalote" does not mean nothing, if I lived in a region that call him like that, I would call him "cachalote".

[Khin]

People calling Beerus as ''Bills''.

Even worse, people who defend that spelling and refuse to switch because some foreign dubs used it. We don't don't say Goku's Saiyan name is "Cachalote" or that the Kamehameha is called the "Vital Wave" now do we?

or Goku as ''Zero''

[ShadowDude112]

People calling Beerus as ''Bills''.

And there is nothing wrong with it as well. Some official dubs use that way.

No. That's wrong. Just because some dubs use it doesn't make it okay. The pun and name is Beers/Beerus. Even Japan spelled his name in English letters as Beers. Bills was only on some 3rd party 3DS XL case. If your Latin America dub called Darth Vader "Durth Bader" would you be so eager to defend that even though it's wrong? Just because one place says something doesn't make it true.