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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Dbzfan94 » Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:03 am

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SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:What if Trunks and Gohan went to the Time chamber first,and then the next to enter is Goku and Vegeta?
Gohan and Trunks would only reach the USSJ stage. I'm sure it was Goku who discovered how to be a FPSSJ and then taught it to Gohan. Anyways, they'd be more than enough to defeat Cell in his Semi-Perfect state and wouldn't allow him to absorb #18. Goku & Vegeta complete their training and find out that their training was all in vain as Cell is already destroyed. (the H-word) doesn't become a hero because he didn't "defeat" Cell. Goku goes off to find the new God of the Earth so that they can all revive the people who died due to the assault of the Cyborgs/Cell. Krillin uses the other wish to remove #18's bomb. Seven years later, Babidi arrives to harvest energy for Buu's revival and although Gohan's weaker due to slacking off, Goku and Vegeta would probably be strong enough to obtain SSJ2 but no further. Thus, everything plays out like normal except that Goku doesn't bother trying to confront Buu but instead, trains the kids on how to fuse. Once that happens, everything else plays out except for Goku not being able to go toe to toe with Kid Buu.
If Goku never died and went to Other World, he wouldnt have been able to teach Goten and Trunks fusion because he never learned how to do it himself.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Lunatic Fringe » Thu Sep 24, 2015 3:20 pm

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SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:What if Trunks and Gohan went to the Time chamber first,and then the next to enter is Goku and Vegeta?
Gohan and Trunks would only reach the USSJ stage. I'm sure it was Goku who discovered how to be a FPSSJ and then taught it to Gohan. Anyways, they'd be more than enough to defeat Cell in his Semi-Perfect state and wouldn't allow him to absorb #18. Goku & Vegeta complete their training and find out that their training was all in vain as Cell is already destroyed. (the H-word) doesn't become a hero because he didn't "defeat" Cell. Goku goes off to find the new God of the Earth so that they can all revive the people who died due to the assault of the Cyborgs/Cell. Krillin uses the other wish to remove #18's bomb. Seven years later, Babidi arrives to harvest energy for Buu's revival and although Gohan's weaker due to slacking off, Goku and Vegeta would probably be strong enough to obtain SSJ2 but no further. Thus, everything plays out like normal except that Goku doesn't bother trying to confront Buu but instead, trains the kids on how to fuse. Once that happens, everything else plays out except for Goku not being able to go toe to toe with Kid Buu.
If Goku never died and went to Other World, he wouldnt have been able to teach Goten and Trunks fusion because he never learned how to do it himself.
Oh yeah. And also, no Mr. Satan being a hero means there's no pressure on him to try and stop Buu so Buu would probably never be good. That means everyone's screwed until Gohan arrives and kills Buu.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:22 pm

Buu would have never been hatch out of his shell if Goku was alive. Vegeta fell under Babidi's spell because Vegeta wanted to fight Goku before he had to return to Otherworld and open his big mouth of his when Gohan was fighting Dabra. If there was no Majin Vegeta vs. Goku fight then there would be no Majin Buu. Goku may not become a SSj3 on Earth, he would still become a SSj2. SSj2 Goku would be enough to beat Dabra. With no Fat Buu, Beerus may not have destroy the Earth unless something else pisses him off. Freeza would have return, but I think Goku or Vegeta would have found away to beat him. Without Majin Buu, Freeza would have train to become stronger. We have no how the rest of Super will turn out at the moment.

If you want to add DBZ Movies 1-13 and GT, Movie 9 would have never happen if King Kai's planet was never destroyed and Goku would have defeated Broli in Movie 10. I guess Pikkon would have to handle Janemba on his own. Movie 13 would be tricky since Hirudegarn would be stronger then everyone. I guess Goku would have done the Genki Dama to kill Hirudegarn. Without Buu, there would be no Uub and Goku would have never been on Kami's look out at the start in GT. Pilaf would have never over the world and Goku would have stop him in GT. They could have gone into outer space if King Kai warn about the Earth going to blow up less then a year or end up staying on Earth until Bebi arrives.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Doctor. » Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:29 pm

What if Goku arrived to face Nappa before Piccolo died?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:17 pm

Doctor. wrote:What if Goku arrived to face Nappa before Piccolo died?
Goku kicks Nappa's ass and Piccolo joins in with Goku in taking on Vegeta, and they work together to defeat Vegeta. Piccolo then kills Vegeta because he's pragmatic like that. Piccolo teams up with Gohan, Krillin and Bulma and go to Namek to get the Namekian Dragon Balls to revive Chiaotzu as he has died twice and Shenlong can't revive him. And because Vegeta dies, he doesn't drop the dime of the existence of the Namekian Dragon Balls to Freeza. Piccolo, Bulma, Gohan and Krillin easily find the Namekian Dragon Balls, revive Chiaotzu and return to Earth. Goku and Piccolo resume their rivalry, Bulma hooks ups with Yamcha out of desperation and they start a family. Then Dr Gero and #19 appear and the Z-Fighters are fucked as there will be no SSJ's to fight them because Vegeta is dead and Goku never bothers to go to Namek to fight Freeza as he never appears.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:35 pm

What if by some crazy circumstance Frieza learned of the fusion dance and forced his soldiers to learn them. How much more powerful would his army be against the z warrior?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Giran_Power1985 » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:30 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:
Lunatic Fringe wrote:
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:What if Trunks and Gohan went to the Time chamber first,and then the next to enter is Goku and Vegeta?
Gohan and Trunks would only reach the USSJ stage. I'm sure it was Goku who discovered how to be a FPSSJ and then taught it to Gohan. Anyways, they'd be more than enough to defeat Cell in his Semi-Perfect state and wouldn't allow him to absorb #18. Goku & Vegeta complete their training and find out that their training was all in vain as Cell is already destroyed. (the H-word) doesn't become a hero because he didn't "defeat" Cell. Goku goes off to find the new God of the Earth so that they can all revive the people who died due to the assault of the Cyborgs/Cell. Krillin uses the other wish to remove #18's bomb. Seven years later, Babidi arrives to harvest energy for Buu's revival and although Gohan's weaker due to slacking off, Goku and Vegeta would probably be strong enough to obtain SSJ2 but no further. Thus, everything plays out like normal except that Goku doesn't bother trying to confront Buu but instead, trains the kids on how to fuse. Once that happens, everything else plays out except for Goku not being able to go toe to toe with Kid Buu.
If Goku never died and went to Other World, he wouldnt have been able to teach Goten and Trunks fusion because he never learned how to do it himself.
Goku could still have teleport there to train in king kai's planet like he did in Dragon Ball Super sins it didn't get destroy.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Hisoka » Fri Sep 25, 2015 9:55 pm

What if Gohan or Vegeta became the SSJG instead of Goku?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:23 pm

Hisoka wrote:What if Gohan or Vegeta became the SSJG instead of Goku?
Idk but I think personally Vegeta might have done better. Just a feeling since he really hated Beerus. But honestly him are gohan wouldn't force Beerus to use more then 72-75% of his power. And for all we know they prob wouldn't have absorbed the power the first time. So who knows. I liked to think Vegeta does better then goku.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by AvatarReiko » Sat Sep 26, 2015 5:44 pm

What if Goku had Piccolo's intellegence, In particular, his wisdom, insight and stragetical ability

What if the Z-senshu could sense the Cyborgs' Ki. How would that a have affected the events of the story.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:44 pm

What if Goku had Piccolo's intellegence, In particular, his wisdom, insight and stragetical ability
Piccolo's intelligence is really over-hyped. Hell, in the Majin Boo arc he makes some quite dumb decisions. Goku is also quite strategic is his own regard when it comes to fighting ability. I mean, he's even considered a prodigy.
What if the Z-senshu could sense the Cyborgs' Ki. How would that a have affected the events of the story.
It's game over for Dr Gero. And #16, #17 and #18 never get activated.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:40 am

So what if Freeza got wish back to life a year after the Cell games. With Goku dead, how would this affect Freeza? Would he still want to get revenge if there is no Future Trunks and Goku?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Scarlet Spider » Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:42 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:So what if Freeza got wish back to life a year after the Cell games. With Goku dead, how would this affect Freeza? Would he still want to get revenge if there is no Future Trunks and Goku?
He'd probably go on a quest to gather the Dragonballs and revive Goku. Only to get roflstomped by Gohan.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Blackstripe » Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:34 pm

What if Piccolo had tried to use a makankosappo on Freeza while he was fighting with Gokuu on Namek? We all know that if you catch someone off-guard, you can mortally wound them even if they're entire dimensions away from you. Freeza cannot sense ki, so if he was distracted, wouldn't it work?

We actually see in that very fight that a kick delivered to Freeza's blind side is effective.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:00 pm

Blackstripe wrote:What if Piccolo had tried to use a makankosappo on Freeza while he was fighting with Gokuu on Namek? We all know that if you catch someone off-guard, you can mortally wound them even if they're entire dimensions away from you. Freeza cannot sense ki, so if he was distracted, wouldn't it work?
Freeza tanks the makankosappo. The gap in power between him and Piccolo at that stage was insane. And even if the makankosappo does go through Freeza and do some damage, it won't kill Freeza. You have to remeber this was the same Freeza that survived a planetary explosion after being cut in half and with little to no ki remaining.

Freeza is one tough motherfucker. :P

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Blackstripe » Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:23 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
Blackstripe wrote:What if Piccolo had tried to use a makankosappo on Freeza while he was fighting with Gokuu on Namek? We all know that if you catch someone off-guard, you can mortally wound them even if they're entire dimensions away from you. Freeza cannot sense ki, so if he was distracted, wouldn't it work?
Freeza tanks the makankosappo. The gap in power between him and Piccolo at that stage was insane. And even if the makankosappo does go through Freeza and do some damage, it won't kill Freeza. You have to remeber this was the same Freeza that survived a planetary explosion after being cut in half and with little to no ki remaining.

Freeza is one tough motherfucker. :P
Power shouldn't matter if he's off his guard, though. Unless, of course, you think Sorbet's ring blaster was something special.

Though you make a good point in terms of Freeza's survivability. He would probably not die from something like a hole in the torso. Well, not for a while anyway...probably eventually if he didn't get it treated. Still, I imagine it would greatly reduce his ki for the remaining duration of the battle, allowing Gokuu to pull out the win with a KKx20 Kamehameha.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:38 pm

Blackstripe wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:
Blackstripe wrote:What if Piccolo had tried to use a makankosappo on Freeza while he was fighting with Gokuu on Namek? We all know that if you catch someone off-guard, you can mortally wound them even if they're entire dimensions away from you. Freeza cannot sense ki, so if he was distracted, wouldn't it work?
Freeza tanks the makankosappo. The gap in power between him and Piccolo at that stage was insane. And even if the makankosappo does go through Freeza and do some damage, it won't kill Freeza. You have to remeber this was the same Freeza that survived a planetary explosion after being cut in half and with little to no ki remaining.

Freeza is one tough motherfucker. :P
Power shouldn't matter if he's off his guard, though. Unless, of course, you think Sorbet's ring blaster was something special.
Super is totally gonna re-write that scene from ROF. Just you wait and see. :P
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Blackstripe » Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:25 am

Okay, here's one.

Tired of always having to rewind time when the God of Destruction gets carried away, Whis makes Beerus go to anger management counseling. How does that turn out? :D

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by fadeddreams5 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:55 am

Blackstripe wrote:Okay, here's one.

Tired of always having to rewind time when the God of Destruction gets carried away, Whis makes Beerus go to anger management counseling. How does that turn out? :D
He blows up the counselor's planet after the slightest annoyance, returns to Whis, and tells him the therapist told him he's better now.


What if Trunks never showed up from the future, but everyone was exactly as strong as they were at the start of the Android saga? Also, the medicine for Goku's heart condition happens to exist in the present. Does anything significant change?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:56 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:What if Trunks never showed up from the future, but everyone was exactly as strong as they were at the start of the Android saga? Also, the medicine for Goku's heart condition happens to exist in the present. Does anything significant change?
Because Trunks traveling back through time somehow altered the main timeline and resulted in Goku not taking the medicine, Goku takes the heart virus medicine, the heart virus angle never happens and #19 gets stomped by SSJ Goku. Dr Gero then hightails it and releases #16, #17 and #18 and the Z-Fighters get slaughtered.

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