Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by Khin » Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:54 am

Saiyan007 wrote:The preview for next week of DBS looks like Goku can breathe in space looks like a retcon incoming
That will be good,If that happens,i wonder what will Freeza's reaction in 'F' after seeing Vegeta still standing near him after blowing up the planet :lol:

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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by Hitiro » Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:16 pm

Saiyan007 wrote:The preview for next week of DBS looks like Goku can breathe in space looks like a retcon incoming
There are no stars in the background from where they are floating. That is a common sign of being in the upper atmosphere as the upper atmosphere does some funky stuff with light before it reaches the lower parts of the atmosphere. For example, here is an image captured from a high altitude air balloon.
As you can see no stars can be seen.

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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by Raizel » Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:47 pm

Hitiro wrote:
Saiyan007 wrote:The preview for next week of DBS looks like Goku can breathe in space looks like a retcon incoming
There are no stars in the background from where they are floating. That is a common sign of being in the upper atmosphere as the upper atmosphere does some funky stuff with light before it reaches the lower parts of the atmosphere. For example, here is an image captured from a high altitude air balloon.
As you can see no stars can be seen.
No stars you say
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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by Hitiro » Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:37 pm

Raizel wrote:
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Saiyan007 wrote:The preview for next week of DBS looks like Goku can breathe in space looks like a retcon incoming
There are no stars in the background from where they are floating. That is a common sign of being in the upper atmosphere as the upper atmosphere does some funky stuff with light before it reaches the lower parts of the atmosphere. For example, here is an image captured from a high altitude air balloon.
As you can see no stars can be seen.
No stars you say
My response was in regards to the preview before this. They were not fighting in space during that preview. So yeah. There were no stars. And throughout this recent episode there were no stars when they were fighting either. It's only in the preview after that it seems they are fighting in space.

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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:33 pm

Not saying they're not in space, but it's quite possible to see stars from within the atmosphere, especially if you go past the edge of the terminator line (where the sun stops shining). Or go really high up.
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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by Hitiro » Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:50 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:Not saying they're not in space, but it's quite possible to see stars from within the atmosphere, especially if you go past the edge of the terminator line (where the sun stops shining). Or go really high up.
So I guess they could still be in the atmosphere just further up than when they previously started their fight. Or, like you said, go past the edge of the terminator line.

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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by Saiyan007 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:15 am

This episode confirms Goku can survive space.

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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sun Sep 27, 2015 11:16 am

After seeing Super episode 12, yes
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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by Hitiro » Sun Sep 27, 2015 12:10 pm

Saiyan007 wrote:This episode confirms Goku can survive space.
Not really, unless we're told that they are actually in space. Sure you could say that they are in space but there is no actual confirmation that they are. So no, the episode neither confirms nor disproves that Goku can survive in space.

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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by Saiyan007 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 12:24 pm

Hitiro wrote:
Saiyan007 wrote:This episode confirms Goku can survive space.
Not really, unless we're told that they are actually in space. Sure you could say that they are in space but there is no actual confirmation that they are. So no, the episode neither confirms nor disproves that Goku can survive in space.
i don't need anyone to tell me they're in space when they are very clearly are

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If i see someone that is walking through heavy rain without a umbrella do i need confirmation that they are wet?It's just a little common sense and going with the most obvious answer.

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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sun Sep 27, 2015 12:50 pm

Just worth mentioning, part of Episode 12's description says they are at the edge of the stratosphere:
  • "Goku and Beerus are fighting at the very edge of the stratosphere now, the universe is likely to be destroyed by the clash of two transcendent powers!"
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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 12:54 pm

Goku can breathe in space, but still needs to hold his breath under water - Logic in the DB universe
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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by Saiyan007 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:03 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Just worth mentioning, part of Episode 12's description says they are at the edge of the stratosphere:
  • "Goku and Beerus are fighting at the very edge of the stratosphere now, the universe is likely to be destroyed by the clash of two transcendent powers!"
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They're clearly moved beyond the edge of the stratosphere

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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:15 pm

I know the atmospheric levels, I'm just reiterating what they've said.

It honestly seems pointless to try and argue against it though, regardless of what they've shown. We're told time and time again that Saiyans need to breath and can't in space and shown that they can't survive underwater without doing so. And, we'll likely be told just that again in the Golden Freeza Arc later this year. Seems like a better option to follow what the author, PR guys and in-universe characters tell us and chalk the visual up as an artistic liberty for the sake of looking cool, but to each their own.
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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by Birusu16 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:33 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Just worth mentioning, part of Episode 12's description says they are at the edge of the stratosphere:
  • "Goku and Beerus are fighting at the very edge of the stratosphere now, the universe is likely to be destroyed by the clash of two transcendent powers!"
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I said last week that people should wait before assuming Goku can breathe in space because in BoGs Toriyama said they were in the stratosphere. Nobody wanted to listen and it seems like it's still the stratosphere in Super as well. I said time and time again that Toei is taking artistic liberties with things like this. Toriyama's statement and the statement from the preview only enhance this belief.

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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by Saiyan007 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:09 pm

it's not in the stratosphere as i already proven the visuals in the show basically agree with what i'm saying regardless,they're in space

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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by Blackstripe » Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:48 pm

Saiyan007 wrote:it's not in the stratosphere as i already proven the visuals in the show basically agree with what i'm saying regardless,they're in space
It's a poor depiction of the stratosphere, I'll give you that much.

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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by manwolf » Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:11 pm

Stratosphere or exosphere the thing is the same, Goku are actually in the atmosphere and he have oxygen in the air, maybe is to thin but is in the atmosphere, with no atmosphere you have no air so you cannot breath, it is possible that the transformation increase the resistance of the body of the saiyan but not at the pint that they can survive in the vacuum.

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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by Hitiro » Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:12 pm

Saiyan007 wrote:it's not in the stratosphere as i already proven the visuals in the show basically agree with what i'm saying regardless,they're in space
What is said by the Author overwrites what is seen visually anyway. The moon also looks much closer to the Earth in Dragon Ball yet Akira Toriyama has told us it is the same distance away as in our universe. The fact is Goku can't breathe in space according to the information we've been given. Regardless of any poor animation that would point to the opposite. Also, it is possible that they were fighting in the Exosphere, or just blow in the top half of the Thermosphere as per the diagram you showed. Which would allow for the stars to be around them. There is actually air up there. Though it is vastly thin.

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Re: Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

Post by Saiyan007 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:40 pm

Hitiro wrote:What is said by the Author overwrites what is seen visually anyway.
Like i said before feats> statements don't know why you keep bringing up this same argument.
The moon also looks much closer to the Earth in Dragon Ball yet Akira Toriyama has told us it is the same distance away as in our universe.
The moon actually looks pretty far away from earth didn't need Akira's help for that either dragon ball super let's us know this

The fact is Goku can't breathe in space according to the information we've been given.
and according to new material it seems that has been retconned

Also, it is possible that they were fighting in the Exosphere, or just blow in the top half of the Thermosphere as per the diagram you showed. Which would allow for the stars to be around them. There is actually air up there. Though it is vastly thin.
something like this is the exosphere

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This is space

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