Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

[FortuneSSJ]

Goku can breathe in space, but still needs to hold his breath under water - Logic in the DB universe

Seems like two different things to me.

[Cipher]

Iffy visuals aside, everything indicates they're just very high up within Earth's atmosphere, which isn't a stretch.

[irreality]

I feel people take visuals too literally of late. It is a visual medium but it is not a "realistic" cartoon: that means the art often more than just a literal depiction of events: convey metaphors, highlight thematic elements, convey a mood, show a cohesive scene, enhance humor, and even just obey the rule of cool. People should keep this in mind. Art is not always literal, nor does it mean it is careless.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Goku could breathe in space when he dealt with boss rabbit. To him to the moon. Saiyans can breathe in space in the manga to. Not just the anime.

[Kamiccolo9]

Goku could breathe in space when he dealt with boss rabbit. To him to the moon. Saiyans can breathe in space in the manga to. Not just the anime.

During a gag scene that's explicitly rendered null and void by later, serious material.

It's like saying that Krillin and Roshi can regenerate because Lunch can shoot them full of holes one panel, and they'll be fine the next. Gag's aren't meant to be taken seriously.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Goku could breathe in space when he dealt with boss rabbit. To him to the moon. Saiyans can breathe in space in the manga to. Not just the anime.

During a gag scene that's explicitly rendered null and void by later, serious material.

It's like saying that Krillin and Roshi can regenerate because Lunch can shoot them full of holes one panel, and they'll be fine the next. Gag's aren't meant to be taken seriously.

She never shot threw em, they just had the bullets stuck to em. A lot of pressure. Also it wasn't nulled it was just forgotten. Toryiama does that A LOT. Goku inability to breathe in space from namek was forgotten here. e got 2 examples of saiyans breathing I space manga wise, more if you count the awesome anime exclusive stuff. I think it's fair to say saiyans can breathe in space.

[Hellspawn28]

Well King Kai said that Goku and Krillin would die in space. So Goku going to the moon very early hardly means much if you ask me.

[Kamiccolo9]

Goku could breathe in space when he dealt with boss rabbit. To him to the moon. Saiyans can breathe in space in the manga to. Not just the anime.

During a gag scene that's explicitly rendered null and void by later, serious material.

It's like saying that Krillin and Roshi can regenerate because Lunch can shoot them full of holes one panel, and they'll be fine the next. Gag's aren't meant to be taken seriously.

She never shot threw em, they just had the bullets stuck to em. A lot of pressure. Also it wasn't nulled it was just forgotten. Toryiama does that A LOT. Goku inability to breathe in space from namek was forgotten here. e got 2 examples of saiyans breathing I space manga wise, more if you count the awesome anime exclusive stuff. I think it's fair to say saiyans can breathe in space.

"Bullets stuck to em." Right.

Fine, whatever. I suppose that Bulma and Lunch can magically produce hammers and machine guns at will. Maybe they are actually Kaio!

There is one example of a Saiyan surviving in space in the manga, and it's a gag scene. Every other instance explicitly says that they can't. Kaio is a knowledgeable character, and I'm pretty sure Freeza would know if his underlings could survive in space or not, since, you know, he made it a point to kill all of them. If Goku could survive in space, don't you think that Vegeta would have mentioned that, before wasting a wish on the guy?

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

She never shot threw em, they just had the bullets stuck to em. A lot of pressure. Also it wasn't nulled it was just forgotten. Toryiama does that A LOT. Goku inability to breathe in space from namek was forgotten here. e got 2 examples of saiyans breathing I space manga wise, more if you count the awesome anime exclusive stuff. I think it's fair to say saiyans can breathe in space.[/quote]
"Bullets stuck to em." Right.

Fine, whatever. I suppose that Bulma and Lunch can magically produce hammers and machine guns at will. Maybe they are actually Kaio!

There is one example of a Saiyan surviving in space in the manga, and it's a gag scene. Every other instance explicitly says that they can't. Kaio is a knowledgeable character, and I'm pretty sure Freeza would know if his underlings could survive in space or not, since, you know, he made it a point to kill all of them. If Goku could survive in space, don't you think that Vegeta would have mentioned that, before wasting a wish on the guy?[/quote]


It's just inconsistencies writing wise, frieza just didn't know. You think Goku can't breathe in space I say he can. No need to fight over it.

[Kamiccolo9]

It's just inconsistencies writing wise, Freeza just didn't know. You think Goku can't breathe in space I say he can. No need to fight over it.

We're not fighting. I'm saying, rather clearly, I think, that you are wrong because you are basing your conclusion off of a gag scene when any serious mention of the trait of surviving in space for Saiyans is universally about them not having it.

I have the employer of virtually every Saiyan in the universe, as well as the god of the Northern Galaxy saying that they can't survive in space.

You have Goku pulling a guy who can turn people into carrots to the moon and forcing him to make marshmallow treats for little kids.


And out of curiosity, can Earthlings survive in space, then? Because Monster Carrot and his henchmen are up there too. If you're taking Goku being able to do it as serious, then you have to count the Earthlings as well, even though Porunga specifically states later on that Krillin will die if he was brought back to life where he died, because he can't survive in space.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

It's just inconsistencies writing wise, Freeza just didn't know. You think Goku can't breathe in space I say he can. No need to fight over it.

We're not fighting. I'm saying, rather clearly, I think, that you are wrong because you are basing your conclusion off of a gag scene when any serious mention of the trait of surviving in space for Saiyans is universally about them not having it.

I have the employer of virtually every Saiyan in the universe, as well as the god of the Northern Galaxy saying that they can't survive in space.

You have Goku pulling a guy who can turn people into carrots to the moon and forcing him to make marshmallow treats for little kids.


And out of curiosity, can Earthlings survive in space, then? Because Monster Carrot and his henchmen are up there too. If you're taking Goku being able to do it as serious, then you have to count the Earthlings as well, even though Porunga specifically states later on that Krillin will die if he was brought back to life where he died, because he can't survive in space.

Sorry forgot I'm on a site where dragonball fans don't always fight when you don't agree with them.

I still take it as a fact since it happened. I don't think Frieza is a expert on Saiyan physiology. Those humans could breath in space for the same reason Tien has 3 eye and Krillin has no nose. Because it just is like that. Not all humans are the real world definition of humans.

People try arguing frieza can't breathe in space because it's a vacuum. I have the same opinion here as I do for that. believe what you want, I'll just say my peace and not go into a debate about it because it's one of those discussions where I don't see either side changing their minds. Just pointless disagreeing over and over.

You'll say the scene doesn't count, I'll say it does. It'd be different if here was something else I could bring to the table, but I don't. I'd just waste your time with pointless disagreeing. Ya know?

[irreality]

How about this: Saiyans can "Hold their breath" for a few seconds/a couple of minutes, tops, to pop to the moon and back to deposit some Rabbit People, but they can't survive in space for long enough to be rescued by a passing starship. Freeza can keep metabolic processes up without external oxygen. He doesn't "Breathe" in space so much as he doesn't need to breathe to survive. Saiyans need to breathe. They could form some sort of ki bubble or just hold their breath for a little bit (just like underwater), but expecting it to happen for longer than that is nonsense.

Problem solved.

As for whether the rabbit gang can survive in space… That is just a pretty story you tell kids so they aren't traumatized by the explosive decompression of people on the moon. And refer back to my post of "not taking art literally".

[Kamiccolo9]

How about this: Saiyans can "Hold their breath" for a few seconds/a couple of minutes, tops, to pop to the moon and back to deposit some Rabbit People, but they can't survive in space for long enough to be rescued by a passing starship. Freeza can keep metabolic processes up without external oxygen. He doesn't "Breathe" in space so much as he doesn't need to breathe to survive. Saiyans need to breathe. They could form some sort of ki bubble or just hold their breath for a little bit (just like underwater), but expecting it to happen for longer than that is nonsense.

Problem solved.

As for whether the rabbit gang can survive in space… That is just a pretty story you tell kids so they aren't traumatized by the explosive decompression of people on the moon. And refer back to my post of "not taking art literally".

Well, in the scene, Goku talks to the guys to tell them to make "rabbit treats." Even though, y'know, space.

It's pretty clearly not meant to be a serious scene.

[irreality]

Yeah, I know… But people keep insisting on taking humorous or artistic scenes literally, I was trying to give them an "out" of some sort...

[Doctor.]

You also have a panel of Bardock in space.

[irreality]

Maybe he is in the stratosphere.

[Kamiccolo9]

You also have a panel of Bardock in space.

It left out what happened next, when Braddock fell back down into orbit clutching his throat.

In all seriousness, though, seeing as the guy picturing Braddock in space is the one that says Saiyans cant survive in space, I'd say it's pretty clear that's just artistic licence/advertisement for the special.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

How about this: Saiyans can "Hold their breath" for a few seconds/a couple of minutes, tops, to pop to the moon and back to deposit some Rabbit People, but they can't survive in space for long enough to be rescued by a passing starship. Freeza can keep metabolic processes up without external oxygen. He doesn't "Breathe" in space so much as he doesn't need to breathe to survive. Saiyans need to breathe. They could form some sort of ki bubble or just hold their breath for a little bit (just like underwater), but expecting it to happen for longer than that is nonsense.

Problem solved.

As for whether the rabbit gang can survive in space… That is just a pretty story you tell kids so they aren't traumatized by the explosive decompression of people on the moon. And refer back to my post of "not taking art literally".

Well, in the scene, Goku talks to the guys to tell them to make "rabbit treats." Even though, y'know, space.

It's pretty clearly not meant to be a serious scene.

You can take it seriously. t's a fiction. Saying humans can't breathe in space is like saying humans can't have noses. Most can't breathe in space, most do have noses but to all the rules there's an acceptation. I mean the rabbit's mere touch can make you into a carrot, so him having the ability to breathe in space isn't hard to believe, and his sidekicks having some sort of space breathing power isn't hard to swallow either. But that's just me.

[manwolf]

Even if it is a fiction the series have some kind of logic, like the limit of resurrecting people or the multipliers of the kaioken, in this case is that saiyans needs to breath, Goku acknowledge her needs of oxygen in Namek cause he looks a ship, the moon thing can be an error that Goku can hold her breath but in Namek saiyans need oxygen and nobody says that saiyans doesn't need to breath, we have an statement that says that Goku and Beerus are in the stratosphere, so we have two things that someone fail astronomy in school and that her idea is that they are in the atmosphere so they can breath.

[Saiyan007]

we have an statement that says that Goku and Beerus are in the stratosphere, so we have two things that someone fail astronomy in school and that her idea is that they are in the atmosphere so they can breath.

this statement is all the more funnier when you realize they aren't in the stratosphere planes and jets fly in the stratosphere

Spoiler:

Goku and Beerus are clearly not in the stratosphere

This is more than likely the exosphere



Planes do not fly this high up

Then they go even higher up reaching space



All in all this isn't the stratosphere a quick google search will tell you were the stratosphere is with some nice pictures so you can understand better.