Is dragonball ruined now?

[HybridSaiyan]

I'm shocked to see how many people here don't like the Piccolo vs 17 fight.
I personally like that battle very much.

Because fans here would rather watch SSJ3 Goku vs Beerus in Super. Logic.
Every single Fight in the Original Z is much better than any fight in Super thus far.
Only fanboys would say otherwise since they can't tell the difference in quality.
Piccolo vs 17 was one of my all time favorite Piccolo fights asides from his one with Goku in Dragon Ball.
Also in every movie before BoG and RoF Piccolo had good action scenes. Same can't be said with the latest 2 movies.
It's unbelievable how many fans are satisfied with what Toei is doing to Dragon Ball. At least all the Z-fighters had a minute or 2 fight before getting defeated. This aint happening in Super.

[VegettoEX]

Because fans here would rather watch SSJ3 Goku vs Beerus in Super. Logic.
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Only fanboys would say otherwise since they can't tell the difference in quality.

Your sweeping generalizations are gross and without merit. If you're not willing to have a legitimate conversation, we're not particularly willing to have you as a community member. Please review the guidelines that you agreed to (twice) prior to registration.

[Draconic]

I'm shocked to see how many people here don't like the Piccolo vs 17 fight.
I personally like that battle very much.

Because fans here would rather watch SSJ3 Goku vs Beerus in Super. Logic.
Every single Fight in the Original Z is much better than any fight in Super thus far.
Only fanboys would say otherwise since they can't tell the difference in quality.
Piccolo vs 17 was one of my all time favorite Piccolo fights asides from his one with Goku in Dragon Ball.
Also in every movie before BoG and RoF Piccolo had good action scenes. Same can't be said with the latest 2 movies.
It's unbelievable how many fans are satisfied with what Toei is doing to Dragon Ball. At least all the Z-fighters had a minute or 2 fight before getting defeated. This aint happening in Super.

Piccolo is my favorite character, but his fight with 17 is laughable. The stupid gut punches... Makes me cringe. His fight with Goku is the best in all of Dragon Ball, his fight with Frieza, great as well. This one? Horrible. Few fights in Z are worse.
And Super hasn't got anything to do with this fight.

[HybridSaiyan]

Because fans here would rather watch SSJ3 Goku vs Beerus in Super. Logic.
...
Only fanboys would say otherwise since they can't tell the difference in quality.

Your sweeping generalizations are gross and without merit. If you're not willing to have a legitimate conversation, we're not particularly willing to have you as a community member. Please review the guidelines that you agreed to (twice) prior to registration.

Sorry, I won't badmouth Super anymore. I guess you give these warnings out a lot?

[HybridSaiyan]

I'm shocked to see how many people here don't like the Piccolo vs 17 fight.
I personally like that battle very much.

Because fans here would rather watch SSJ3 Goku vs Beerus in Super. Logic.
Every single Fight in the Original Z is much better than any fight in Super thus far.
Only fanboys would say otherwise since they can't tell the difference in quality.
Piccolo vs 17 was one of my all time favorite Piccolo fights asides from his one with Goku in Dragon Ball.
Also in every movie before BoG and RoF Piccolo had good action scenes. Same can't be said with the latest 2 movies.
It's unbelievable how many fans are satisfied with what Toei is doing to Dragon Ball. At least all the Z-fighters had a minute or 2 fight before getting defeated. This aint happening in Super.

Piccolo is my favorite character, but his fight with 17 is laughable. The stupid gut punches... Makes me cringe. His fight with Goku is the best in all of Dragon Ball, his fight with Freeza, great as well. This one? Horrible. Few fights in Z are worse.
And Super hasn't got anything to do with this fight.

I don't mean to be rude but how is the Piccolo fight in RoF better than the C17 one? Bcause you have a gif of that fight as your icon. Just wondering.

[VegettoEX]

Sorry, I won't badmouth Super anymore. I guess you give these warnings out a lot?

This has nothing to do with Super, and everything to do with your overall tone and approach.

[HybridSaiyan]

Sorry, I won't badmouth Super anymore. I guess you give these warnings out a lot?

This has nothing to do with Super, and everything to do with your overall tone and approach.

Yeah, I'm going to start being positive. Excuse my hate and tone. It'll all change.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Sorry, I won't badmouth Super anymore. I guess you give these warnings out a lot?

This has nothing to do with Super, and everything to do with your overall tone and approach.

I personally got what I needed from this forum. If you wanna close it I won't mind. It as a exaggeration to see if people would bring up valid points to defend the decrease in quality in the eyes of a lot of fans. Now it just feels like bad mouthing the series and I don't wanna come off like that. So if you feel like closing this forum man, don't feel like you gotta keep it open.

P.S. I know this is off topic man but I wanna say the podcast you guys post to youtube is great! Keep em up man!

[Draconic]

I don't mean to be rude but how is the Piccolo fight in RoF better than the C17 one? Bcause you have a gif of that fight as your icon. Just wondering.

Because that fight only lasted a couple of minutes and it wasn't a major plot point of the movie. Also, the animation was superb and I loved the part when Piccolo blocked Shisami's short punches.

Don't get me wrong, Piccolo vs Shisami is not ground breaking or anything and I might be a little biased as it is the first fight Piccolo had in ages and he is my favorite guy. It just served the purpose of having Piccolo hit something with a name and face, not just fodder. Him vs 17 is the best when they are using ki blasts, as Piccolo's coolest techniques comes from this fight, but those are too short and the hth combat is poorly coreographed and poorly drawn.

[Kuririn Fan]

Dragon Ball will never be ruined...

[Relenanator]

This title really needs context. Is it asking if the characters are ruined or the story as a whole (or both)? I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that this thread is talking about the Movies and Supper. If that's the case the only real difference I see that Goku and the others now have the ability to have 1v1 galactic scale battles and it's not even at the level of TTGL (yet anyway).

Idk maybe it's just been too long since I watched DB and DBZ run to fully grasp all the changes made but I honestly don't want or have time to re-watch all that filler and fluff material waiting for the characters to stop messing around and get down to business.

[Kid Buu]

Dragon Ball has always had horrible animation, so I wouldn't say it was ruined "now."

[Super_Vegetto]

I agree with OP, I hated BOG and Fukkatsu felt "meh" and also inconsistencies, inconsistencies. I thought I was being harsh then decided to watch all movies and the original series(not kai though) again (Baby and shadow dragons arc included) the feeling just got worse. I agree don't like the art and colouring, battles are sub par, you mentioned bad choreography or lack of it. What is making it worse is that for now Super is just retelling Kami to Kami and there's still the Fukkatsu arc, god knows how many episodes that will take. A Vegetto photo was posted and someone felt it was bad I disagree. I've seen posts suggesting that Piccolo vs #17 and Vegeta vs Pui Pui was bad and that Super fights are better. Agree to disagree, imo Kami to Kami and Fukkatsu can't even match World's Strongest and Tree of Might.

My advice to OP would be stop watching the anime and only follow the manga. When the new content arrives then we can judge it for what it is, but as of now Super is terribad. It can't even match fillers in DBZ in my opinion.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

I agree with OP, I hated BOG and Fukkatsu felt "meh" and also inconsistencies, inconsistencies. I thought I was being harsh then decided to watch all movies and the original series(not kai though) again (Baby and shadow dragons arc included) the feeling just got worse. I agree don't like the art and colouring, battles are sub par, you mentioned bad choreography or lack of it. What is making it worse is that for now Super is just retelling Kami to Kami and there's still the Fukkatsu arc, god knows how many episodes that will take. A Vegetto photo was posted and someone felt it was bad I disagree. I've seen posts suggesting that Piccolo vs #17 and Vegeta vs Pui Pui was bad and that Super fights are better. Agree to disagree, imo Kami to Kami and Fukkatsu can't even match World's Strongest and Tree of Might.

My advice to OP would be stop watching the anime and only follow the manga. When the new content arrives then we can judge it for what it is, but as of now Super is terribad. It can't even match fillers in DBZ in my opinion.

hanks for your imput. I can't leave super now that episode12 has gotten so good. I really just wanted somebody to help me justify the BIG decrease in quality. Even a lot of my close friends left the franchise's fandom :/

Even though this now stuff "IS" rubbish compared to the older stuff, to me and near everyone I talked to....it's still an expansion of the story, even if it's feeling like it' downgraded and only part of the manga's continuity (I love the anime' continuity more sorry)...it's still enjoyable. I think some people are trying to bash old dragonballl to make excuses for stuff like episode 5's animation. But I don't think the new stuff needs excuses, I think the new era needs improvements yeah but I can still enjoy it. I really think super is getting a lot better now personally and I think ROF arc will be better since they never covered a lot of stuff in te film so they can go into more now, like Whis training Goku and Vegeta from the get go. It can't be "ruined" per say but man has the qualy dropped... I just want the old animation back. Hand drawn for the drawings and colors, I don't like the program they use o color as it's very unprofessional looking. Looks like a fan art in adobe. Bu all we can do is tell them to go back to the old roots, hope for the best and enjoy what we get.

[SylentEcho]

hanks for your imput. I can't leave super now that episode12 has gotten so good. I really just wanted somebody to help me justify the BIG decrease in quality. Even a lot of my close friends left the franchise's fandom :/

Even though this now stuff "IS" rubbish compared to the older stuff, to me and near everyone I talked to....it's still an expansion of the story, even if it's feeling like it' downgraded and only part of the manga's continuity (I love the anime' continuity more sorry)...it's still enjoyable. I think some people are trying to bash old dragonballl to make excuses for stuff like episode 5's animation. But I don't think the new stuff needs excuses, I think the new era needs improvements yeah but I can still enjoy it. I really think super is getting a lot better now personally and I think ROF arc will be better since they never covered a lot of stuff in te film so they can go into more now, like Whis training Goku and Vegeta from the get go. It can't be "ruined" per say but man has the qualy dropped... I just want the old animation back. Hand drawn for the drawings and colors, I don't like the program they use o color as it's very unprofessional looking. Looks like a fan art in adobe. Bu all we can do is tell them to go back to the old roots, hope for the best and enjoy what we get.

You guys would enjoy it a lot more if you didn't compare it to Z so much. I love Super, especially after the recent two episodes because what we have now is a completely new show with a different look and feel which still retains key elements from Dragon Ball/Z. What's the point of another Z? In my opinion, it's always better to have something new rather than something revisited or rehashed. For the people who don't "get" the show; I can't speak for them, but they probably don't follow Toriyama's other work and haven't watched Ball-Z in it's entirety in Japanese, so they might be misunderstanding the series and characters as a whole. No offense, coz this might not be the case with your friends.

It's too early for me to say whether this show is indeed great or not. I'll have to wait for the brand new material to release, but so far, so good.