Dragon Ball GT and The Original Dragon Ball "Remastered"?

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Dragon Ball GT and The Original Dragon Ball "Remastered"?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:36 pm

We all know Funi's flop up with remastering Z with the orange bricks. However with the Blue and Green Bricks were there any real change?

*I know The original all, Like Z had lines re-recorded.

*I know that GT got it's duel music track option.

*I know that GT had the original openings and closings added instead of the American made one from in show footage.

But was there anything done to the screen filter wise or any cropping? People say it was but there just wasn't black bars and you have to have a good enough TV to tell, is that stuff true or is the footage from Ball and GT un-edited? And if there was editing was it good bad or "meh"? I have the DVD's but apparently a side by side comparison has to be done for certain ratios for them because of how they were "remastered"...Anyone know the REAL story?
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Re: Dragon Ball GT and The Original Dragon Ball "Remastered"

Post by B » Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:16 pm

They blurred them slightly. Take a look at any single-to-Green-Brick GT comparison.
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Re: Dragon Ball GT and The Original Dragon Ball "Remastered"

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:30 am

B wrote:They blurred them slightly. Take a look at any single-to-Green-Brick GT comparison.
It seams like the brightness was brought up, but I don't trust online side by side comparison videos. Thy don't always pause at the right second. And some edit footage to make it either better or worse because of bias. There were videos trying to show orange bricks>dragon box -_-
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Re: Dragon Ball GT and The Original Dragon Ball "Remastered"

Post by TheGreatness25 » Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:43 pm

There were re-recorded lines changed in Dragon Ball? Um where?

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Re: Dragon Ball GT and The Original Dragon Ball "Remastered"

Post by ParkerAL » Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:14 pm

To my eyes, the Blue Brick colors range from okay to rather unappealing. Flesh tones in general look too pink, as seen in this promotion image from Amazon. Hands-down, I prefer the "original" quality.

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For the next images, my opinion is a tad less definitive, but I still generally lean towards the un-remastered look. I can see how some people might prefer Funimation's warmer, brighter colors, but they aren't to my liking. Of course, I have no idea how accurate these screenshots are to their respective releases. They're low-res and meant for marketing purposes, after all, so they might not represent a completely truthful comparison.

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Also, there's the obvious zoomed-in nature of the footage, supposedly done to hide film damage along the sides.
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Re: Dragon Ball GT and The Original Dragon Ball "Remastered"

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:45 am

ParkerAL wrote:To my eyes, the Blue Brick colors range from okay to rather unappealing. Flesh tones in general look too pink, as seen in this promotion image from Amazon. Hands-down, I prefer the "original" quality.

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For the next images, my opinion is a tad less definitive, but I still generally lean towards the un-remastered look. I can see how some people might prefer Funimation's warmer, brighter colors, but they aren't to my liking. Of course, I have no idea how accurate these screenshots are to their respective releases. They're low-res and meant for marketing purposes, after all, so they might not represent a completely truthful comparison.

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Also, there's the obvious zoomed-in nature of the footage, supposedly done to hide film damage along the sides.
Yeah they messed up remastering the blue bricks...still looks good on my shelf,and I prefer funi's dub of the first saga (of goku) over the Japanese version and Ocean's.

TheGreatness25 wrote:There were re-recorded lines changed in Dragon Ball? Um where?

All 3 sets-Blue-Green and orange sets had ALL the lines r-recorded. Even some of the lines were changed. Compare Vegeta's atomic blast scene to Fat Buu. When Vegeta charges it in the original funi dub Babidi says nothing but he gives a rant to Buu in the remastered version. Also Funi never dubbed the saga of Goku themselves as only ocean did so if you wanna hear the original Funi Goku voice as kid goku for the saga you gotta buy the first blue brick. Also even when the lines are the same they re dubbed them. You can tell Frieza's voices is different and you can hear Sabat's Best vegeta voice in the fireza saga remastered instead of his original which was based on the ocean dub Vegeta's voice by Brian Drummond. It really makes the set worth buy,that ad the ost choice between English hand Japanese :D
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Re: Dragon Ball GT and The Original Dragon Ball "Remastered"

Post by superrayman3 » Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:01 pm

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:Also Funi never dubbed the saga of Goku themselves as only ocean did so if you wanna hear the original Funi Goku voice as kid goku for the saga you gotta buy the first blue brick.
This is factually wrong on so many levels FUNi actually did dub the saga of Goku in-house back when they did the rest of their 2001 dub of DB and those in-house dubbed episodes aired on Toonami as well (the uncut in-house dub for saga of Goku was also released on DVD in Australia) so these two facts right there blow this entire statement out of the water, the only reason North America never got that saga on DVD till the blue bricks was because Trimark had the home distribution rights to FUNi's 1995 dub for those episodes and held on to said rights with an iron grip to where FUNi couldn't release the uncut version of those episodes on DVD at all.
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Re: Dragon Ball GT and The Original Dragon Ball "Remastered"

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:52 pm

superrayman3 wrote:
LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:Also Funi never dubbed the saga of Goku themselves as only ocean did so if you wanna hear the original Funi Goku voice as kid goku for the saga you gotta buy the first blue brick.
This is factually wrong on so many levels FUNi actually did dub the saga of Goku in-house back when they did the rest of their 2001 dub of DB and those in-house dubbed episodes aired on Toonami as well (the uncut in-house dub for saga of Goku was also released on DVD in Australia) so these two facts right there blow this entire statement out of the water, the only reason North America never got that saga on DVD till the blue bricks was because Trimark had the home distribution rights to FUNi's 1995 dub for those episodes and held on to said rights with an iron grip to where FUNi couldn't release the uncut version of those episodes on DVD at all.
Okay, I guess the tournament saga being the first DVD release of the Funi dub for dragonball made the confusion haha.

So we all know Z was messed up, and ball was zoomed in...lovely...is at least GT good? I saw a comparison and it looked like the dvd release. Although it also showed dragonbox GT as being the EXACT SAME as the funi Singles so IDK.


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Re: Dragon Ball GT and The Original Dragon Ball "Remastered"

Post by ZodaEX » Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:04 pm

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:
superrayman3 wrote:
LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:Also Funi never dubbed the saga of Goku themselves as only ocean did so if you wanna hear the original Funi Goku voice as kid goku for the saga you gotta buy the first blue brick.
This is factually wrong on so many levels FUNi actually did dub the saga of Goku in-house back when they did the rest of their 2001 dub of DB and those in-house dubbed episodes aired on Toonami as well (the uncut in-house dub for saga of Goku was also released on DVD in Australia) so these two facts right there blow this entire statement out of the water, the only reason North America never got that saga on DVD till the blue bricks was because Trimark had the home distribution rights to FUNi's 1995 dub for those episodes and held on to said rights with an iron grip to where FUNi couldn't release the uncut version of those episodes on DVD at all.
Okay, I guess the tournament saga being the first DVD release of the Funi dub for dragonball made the confusion haha.

So we all know Z was messed up, and ball was zoomed in...lovely...is at least GT good? I saw a comparison and it looked like the dvd release. Although it also showed dragonbox GT as being the EXACT SAME as the funi Singles so IDK.


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Re: Dragon Ball GT and The Original Dragon Ball "Remastered"

Post by Vegard Aune » Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:54 am

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:So we all know Z was messed up, and ball was zoomed in...lovely...is at least GT good? I saw a comparison and it looked like the dvd release. Although it also showed dragonbox GT as being the EXACT SAME as the funi Singles so IDK.
FUNi used the same footage for GT that Toei themselves remastered for the Dragon Boxes. Only, FUNi was given it before any actual remastering took place from what I understand, so while the framing and colors are identical, FUNi's release does not look anywhere near as clean as the DBox. Also I seem to recall the encoding being rather awful.

As for the Green Bricks, from what I understand, aside from being somewhat blurred out to hide the grain, having the opening edited to use FUNi's metallic GT-logo rather than the original one, and randomly missing the next episode previews despite the singles having them, they should be quite solid.

...Though I would also say that the Dragon Ball sets seem perfectly watchable. Yeah sure, they're a bit zoomed in compared to the old singles... but those old singles were also designed to play on older TVs with a lot more overscan, so unless you intend to watch them on a really old, poorly calibrated CRT-TV, I don't think you'll be missing any important footage anyway.
ParkerAL wrote:To my eyes, the Blue Brick colors range from okay to rather unappealing. Flesh tones in general look too pink, as seen in this promotion image from Amazon. Hands-down, I prefer the "original" quality.

For the next images, my opinion is a tad less definitive, but I still generally lean towards the un-remastered look. I can see how some people might prefer Funimation's warmer, brighter colors, but they aren't to my liking. Of course, I have no idea how accurate these screenshots are to their respective releases. They're low-res and meant for marketing purposes, after all, so they might not represent a completely truthful comparison.

Also, there's the obvious zoomed-in nature of the footage, supposedly done to hide film damage along the sides.
I'd take the FUNi version's colors there any day. From what I can tell, their version is actually more true to the original cels, whereas the Japanese version suffers from the usual color deterioration issue that is present in varying degrees on every single episode and movie in the Japanese releases. In this case, the Japanese shots appear to have a bluish-green tint over them.

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Re: Dragon Ball GT and The Original Dragon Ball "Remastered"

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:29 am

What isn't funny? I don't know what's wrong with the picture I tried to post if that's what you mean.


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LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:So we all know Z was messed up, and ball was zoomed in...lovely...is at least GT good? I saw a comparison and it looked like the dvd release. Although it also showed dragonbox GT as being the EXACT SAME as the funi Singles so IDK.
FUNi used the same footage for GT that Toei themselves remastered for the Dragon Boxes. Only, FUNi was given it before any actual remastering took place from what I understand, so while the framing and colors are identical, FUNi's release does not look anywhere near as clean as the DBox. Also I seem to recall the encoding being rather awful.

As for the Green Bricks, from what I understand, aside from being somewhat blurred out to hide the grain, having the opening edited to use FUNi's metallic GT-logo rather than the original one, and randomly missing the next episode previews despite the singles having them, they should be quite solid.

...Though I would also say that the Dragon Ball sets seem perfectly watchable. Yeah sure, they're a bit zoomed in compared to the old singles... but those old singles were also designed to play on older TVs with a lot more overscan, so unless you intend to watch them on a really old, poorly calibrated CRT-TV, I don't think you'll be missing any important footage anyway.
ParkerAL wrote:To my eyes, the Blue Brick colors range from okay to rather unappealing. Flesh tones in general look too pink, as seen in this promotion image from Amazon. Hands-down, I prefer the "original" quality.

For the next images, my opinion is a tad less definitive, but I still generally lean towards the un-remastered look. I can see how some people might prefer Funimation's warmer, brighter colors, but they aren't to my liking. Of course, I have no idea how accurate these screenshots are to their respective releases. They're low-res and meant for marketing purposes, after all, so they might not represent a completely truthful comparison.

Also, there's the obvious zoomed-in nature of the footage, supposedly done to hide film damage along the sides.
I'd take the FUNi version's colors there any day. From what I can tell, their version is actually more true to the original cels, whereas the Japanese version suffers from the usual color deterioration issue that is present in varying degrees on every single episode and movie in the Japanese releases. In this case, the Japanese shots appear to have a bluish-green tint over them.


Actually on the Green Bricks the rap is gone and replaced by the voice of Broly singing bit by bit I'm falling under your spell beautifully. Also I prefer the colors of the 2 disc first DVD funi sets over the remastered ones personally, even on modern TV's you get more footage and they look better to me, also it's the dub I grew up on accept it's missing the first saga of goku which is why the blue bricks are so helpful.

I see the GT rap as a guilty pleasure-Love it for nostalgia like the yugioh dub opening, even though I know how silly it is. Glad we got rusty machine gun and ECT. Vic is the only male at funi who can sing IMO. It felt like punishments for buying kai uncxtu on dvd to hear sean schemmel sing, I wish there was an option to switch it back to Dokkan Dokkan because it sounds like he's intentionally sounding bad ya know? But that's a different thing all together...

Point is the bricks have the best audio debatably but all accept maybe GT are the same footage wise, accept ball and GT were edited to be slightly worse because funny doesn't seam to understand film/grain at all. Sound fair?
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Re: Dragon Ball GT and The Original Dragon Ball "Remastered"

Post by SaiyaSith » Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:52 am

ParkerAL wrote:To my eyes, the Blue Brick colors range from okay to rather unappealing. Flesh tones in general look too pink, as seen in this promotion image from Amazon. Hands-down, I prefer the "original" quality.

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For the next images, my opinion is a tad less definitive, but I still generally lean towards the un-remastered look. I can see how some people might prefer Funimation's warmer, brighter colors, but they aren't to my liking. Of course, I have no idea how accurate these screenshots are to their respective releases. They're low-res and meant for marketing purposes, after all, so they might not represent a completely truthful comparison.

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Also, there's the obvious zoomed-in nature of the footage, supposedly done to hide film damage along the sides.
The remastered version's color is way better. Too bad they cropped it.

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Re: Dragon Ball GT and The Original Dragon Ball "Remastered"

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:21 am

SaiyaSith wrote:
ParkerAL wrote:To my eyes, the Blue Brick colors range from okay to rather unappealing. Flesh tones in general look too pink, as seen in this promotion image from Amazon. Hands-down, I prefer the "original" quality.

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For the next images, my opinion is a tad less definitive, but I still generally lean towards the un-remastered look. I can see how some people might prefer Funimation's warmer, brighter colors, but they aren't to my liking. Of course, I have no idea how accurate these screenshots are to their respective releases. They're low-res and meant for marketing purposes, after all, so they might not represent a completely truthful comparison.

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Also, there's the obvious zoomed-in nature of the footage, supposedly done to hide film damage along the sides.
The remastered version's color is way better. Too bad they cropped it.

I say remastered is more clear,but I prefer the right side's colors.
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