"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[FortuneSSJ]

I wonder who will visit Mr. Satan?

Champa would be cool.

[Cipher]

I gotta be honest -- I am pretty excited for these episodes.

Not stressing how they're going to adapt the Freeza material. Even if it were just a slightly padded movie, it'd be ... fine.

The more time we spend with this material, the less fitting the end of the manga/Z seems though. Was thinking about that again the other day. I was thinking about how cool it was going to be to get another ending, and where Super would leave off in terms of making sense of the series, but I guess it's still (technically?) heading toward the ending we know. Not sue how I feel about that.

[FortuneSSJ]

The more time we spend with this material, the less fitting the end of the manga/Z seems though. Was thinking about that again the other day. I was thinking about how cool it was going to be to get another ending, and where Super would leave off in terms of making sense of the series, but I guess it's still (technically?) heading toward the ending we know. Not sue how I feel about that.

We still don't know about that. To be honest, the more I'm knowing about Super, the more I think they don't care about EOZ.

The narrator says that some time passed after Buu, but its vague enough to leave anyone thinking. But the facts are:
- Satan just received the world peace award for killing Buu at episode 1.
- Vegeta fulfilled his promise to Trunks at episode 2.

BOG Movie takes place 4 after Z. Doesn't make sense to me that these two events that connect to Buu arc, took 4 years to happen.
We know Vegeta is not the father of the year, but seriously?!The peace times returned.

There's no major timeskip in Super so far. I guess there was only some days/weeks skip between episode 2 and episode 3. Seeing how Bulma was thinking how cool it would be, if her birthday party took place on a cruise.

But at the same time, Pan is 4 years old in EOZ. So if Super makes everyhting happening sooner, this will be changed. Its no big deal though, since I think her age was never confirmed in the anime/manga. We still have time for Bra too.

The new artsyle making some characters younger doesn't help either (Krillin, Goten, Trunks, Marron...)

But so far, there's nothing confirmed.

[Doctor.]

They're making a big deal out of Pan, hopefully she has an important role if there's an arc after U6.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

So them showing SSGSS prior might still happen, but seems no SSG Vegeta thank God but seems they're going to gloss over Freeza's training too. Which I am honestly glad now since its just going to add up the episode count of the arc and honestly Feeeza punching a bunch of rocks doesn't sound exciting. Also still no mention of Champa! Gahh.

Like I said above, it's possible that episode 20 is just Sorbet and Tagoma coming to Earth, considering Freeza appears for the first time in episode 19. It'd be an incredibly short time to stuff in Freeza's resurrection, then his training and then his invasion in just one episode, especially considering how Super likes to pad staff out instead of cutting it.

It can't be, Jaco arrives after Freeza is resurrected in the movie and not to mention the summary refers to "An unprecedented threat bears down on Earth!!" I would hardly describe Sorbert and Tagoma arriving on Earth as that, the description fits more with a Resurrected Freeza armed with 1000 foot soldiers heading to Earth.

[fadeddreams5]

Very likely another time gap between episode 19 and 20.

[Doctor.]

It can't be, Jaco arrives after Freeza is resurrected in the movie and not to mention the summary refers to "An unprecedented threat bears down on Earth!!" I would hardly describe Sorbert and Tagoma arriving on Earth as that, the description fits more with a Resurrected Freeza armed with 1000 foot soldiers heading to Earth.

That could easily change, like how Beerus was awake in Super before Goku went to Kaio's planet, unlike BoG. I think it's a reaaaaally short time for Freeza to be resurrected and to come to Earth.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

It can't be, Jaco arrives after Freeza is resurrected in the movie and not to mention the summary refers to "An unprecedented threat bears down on Earth!!" I would hardly describe Sorbert and Tagoma arriving on Earth as that, the description fits more with a Resurrected Freeza armed with 1000 foot soldiers heading to Earth.

That could easily change, like how Beerus was awake in Super before Goku went to Kaio's planet, unlike BoG. I think it's a reaaaaally short time for Freeza to be resurrected and to come to Earth.

I doubt he'd come to Earth in that episode probably be on his way and arrive in 21. Besides Jaco arriving on Earth before Freeza is resurrected doesn't make much sense. The galactic patrol wouldn't care less that a bunch of Freeza lackies are on there way down to Earth. Unless Jaco is just there for a visit but then who warns them about Freeza? Does his arrival simply catch everyone off guard? Ya know I'd be interested in that actually makes it a bit different to the movie.

[Captain Space]

But at the same time, Pan is 4 years old in EOZ. So if Super makes everyhting happening sooner, this will be changed. Its no big deal though, since I think her age was never confirmed in the anime/manga. We still have time for Bra too.

The TB announcer says she's 4 in the manga, so yeah, it is confirmed.

So either it is the same time period as BoG and there's a vague indeterminate timeskip and don't think too much about it please --Toei, or it's much sooner than BoG and EoZ is out the window.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Even still, First Form Freeza is leagues above Zarbon and Dodoria. Still nothing by Piccolo's level by now, you're right. But Piccolo's been fighting hundreds of goons and he's fairly worked up by the time he fights Shisame. But the power level of even Zarbon in his monster form should still be nothing to even ab exhausted Piccolo. At least someone as strong as First Form Freeza might give a better explanation as to why Piccolo is having a bit of a hard time.

But it was said that the word used to compare them was vague enough that it could mean rank, not strength. We also have the manga that states Shisami wasn't even number two in the army, if that's to be trusted.

Wasn't it stated by Toriyama though? When the character art for Sorbet and Tagoma was first released? That they were on Zarbon/Dodoria power-ish?

[garfield15]

I'm really looking forward to that Pan episode. Now if they could just at some point down the line, maybe at the end of the series, remember Bra

Anime News Network did another podcast with Funimation and in it Justin Rojas said they still don't have Super. The New York Comic-Con panel is just an acknowledgment that it exists.

I am literally not surprised at all. No seriously, they wouldn't need to spring it on us at NYCC if they had it, they'd go all out with it.

I mean, they don't even have Buu Kai yet

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Wasn't it stated by Toriyama though? When the character art for Sorbet and Tagoma was first released? That they were on Zarbon/Dodoria power-ish?

I'm almost certain that nothing was said about their strength level in comparison to any other character other than the line in the script and film, which, as already mentioned, may not even be in regards to power.

Also, random thought, I'm guessing Kuririn's favor is to have Goku ask Mr. Satan to get him a job, which lands him the role of policeman.

[garfield15]

Too bad my theory about "13-14 for BoG, 13-14 for RoF to make easy DVD releases" was completely off

[Doctor.]

Too bad my theory about "13-14 for BoG, 13-14 for RoF to make easy DVD releases" was completely off

Why? The Goku vs Beerus fight is finishing on episode 14. Assuming episode 20's summary hints at Freeza arriving, then 8 episodes of battle sounds fair, making the F arc 14 episodes as well.

What doesn't make sense is that the first Super DVD only covers 1-12, but whatever.

[garfield15]

Too bad my theory about "13-14 for BoG, 13-14 for RoF to make easy DVD releases" was completely off

Why? The Goku vs Beerus fight is finishing on episode 14. Assuming episode 20's summary hints at Freeza arriving, then 8 episodes of battle sounds fair, making the F arc 14 episodes as well.

What doesn't make sense is that the first Super DVD only covers 1-12, but whatever.

Well what I thought was it would be 13-14 for BoG and then we would go straight into RoF with another 13-14 so that we would be in a new arc by the Winter anime season and have a nice little easy collection for DVDs but these episodes inserted in the middle seem to debunk that though

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Wasn't it stated by Toriyama though? When the character art for Sorbet and Tagoma was first released? That they were on Zarbon/Dodoria power-ish?

I'm almost certain that nothing was said about their strength level in comparison to any other character other than the line in the script and film, which, as already mentioned, may not even be in regards to power.

Also, random thought, I'm guessing Kuririn's favor is to have Goku ask Mr. Satan to get him a job, which lands him the role of policeman.

So you're saying that Tagoma and Shisame are /not/ on-par with Zarbon and Dodoria in strength? Then why does /every single version/ of the film state otherwise? I know that characters and Japanese words often have different meanings, but when every version of the film has it stated as being one thing (with multiple different language translators), methinks there has to be a point where you go, "Hm. Maybe I'm overthinking this."

[Neon Z]

Even still, First Form Freeza is leagues above Zarbon and Dodoria. Still nothing by Piccolo's level by now, you're right. But Piccolo's been fighting hundreds of goons and he's fairly worked up by the time he fights Shisame. But the power level of even Zarbon in his monster form should still be nothing to even ab exhausted Piccolo. At least someone as strong as First Form Freeza might give a better explanation as to why Piccolo is having a bit of a hard time.

But it was said that the word used to compare them was vague enough that it could mean rank, not strength. We also have the manga that states Shisami wasn't even number two in the army, if that's to be trusted.

Wasn't it stated by Toriyama though? When the character art for Sorbet and Tagoma was first released? That they were on Zarbon/Dodoria power-ish?

I haven't seen the actual Toriyama script, which apparently was published, but, according to the Japanese wikipedia, in Toriyama's script, there was only Tagoma in the Zarbon/Dodoria comparison scene (like in the promotional manga). Shisami would appear out of nowhere during Earth's invasion, without much of an introduction.

Like I said in another topic, if that's right, the movie's director probably added Shisami to that scene in order to give him a better introduction, without realizing that it actually creates a big problem.

[dbzfan7]

I don't know why people lie to themselves by thinking there is a hidden or a legit answer for power levels in FNF. It's painfully obvious they don't care in the slightest, and that's why those issues exist. You can make up all the answers ya want, but it's unlikely the creative team put any thought into power levels. They put their thought in to the story, characters, and animation.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

I don't know why people lie to themselves by thinking there is a hidden or a legit answer for power levels in FNF. It's painfully obvious they don't care in the slightest, and that's why those issues exist. You can make up all the answers ya want, but it's unlikely the creative team put any thought into power levels. They put their thought in to the story, characters, and animation.

Except that the "power levels" being off DOES effect the story. It creates plot holes. These characters can't be as strong as Zarbon, beating the crap out of post-Buu Piccolo.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

So you're saying that Tagoma and Shisame are /not/ on-par with Zarbon and Dodoria in strength? Then why does /every single version/ of the film state otherwise? I know that characters and Japanese words often have different meanings, but when every version of the film has it stated as being one thing (with multiple different language translators), methinks there has to be a point where you go, "Hm. Maybe I'm overthinking this."

I'm saying I don't really care if they are or not, but if someone has a problem with the idea, there's an out for them. All the Battle of Gods dubs that I'm aware of also went along with saying that Beerus told Freeza to destroy planet Vegeta for him, and while that ultimately ended up being true and is stated outright in Super, the original Japanese line for Battle of Gods does not clearly state it as an irrefutable fact. They way it's phrased in the film allows for alternate interpretations that are completely valid. Likewise for Resurrection "F", the line about Tagoma in Toriyama's script, as well as Shisami in the film itself, also leaves wiggle room for what is meant by being "on par" with Zarbon and Dodoria.