Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight Buu?

[Darkprince410]

When did he make someone stronger than Mystic Gohan have to heal in his base form?

I think this was an anime only scene where Vegeta nonsensically fights Kid Buu in base form before finally powering up to SSJ later. But even if we accept this scene, it's not much of a feat. Dabura, base Goku with a kienzan, and some random gunman force Buu to regenerate. It doesn't look like Buu takes any damage from those attacks though.

Even moreso is the fact that we've seen bullets punch holes through Buu, so he can take damage that even Dragon Ball era characters could survive, so him "taking damage" isn't a good indication of him being stronger or weaker than someone else.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

When did he make someone stronger than Mystic Gohan have to heal in his base form?

I think this was an anime only scene where Vegeta nonsensically fights Kid Buu in base form before finally powering up to SSJ later. But even if we accept this scene, it's not much of a feat. Dabura, base Goku with a kienzan, and some random gunman force Buu to regenerate. It doesn't look like Buu takes any damage from those attacks though.

It is anime only ,so it's canon to the anime's continuity.

* Dabura had a spear he creates from his own energy.

* That's a destructo disc. If Krillin can use it to almost kill frieza then why can't goku do it to buu?

* Stupid scene. Buu must have suppressed himself to toy with the gunman. He was feeling VERY sadistic when he was reborn as you use from his kill. It's no t like guns are ssj3 tier attacks. -_-

I think you underestimate vegeta. He made someone stronger then mystic gohan have to heal in his base form so he's above ssj3 gotenks. I know that's anime stuff,I go by the anime. Base Vegeta+base goku>gohan+buucolo aka vegito vs buuhan.

Also it's a huge gap,majin Vegeta said "wel...at least you're stronger then your son was against cell!" That line was to establish this fight IS on another scale of power.

I don't underestimate Vegeta by any means, because I'm going by the manga's depiction of his power, as the anime is pretty much the worst and most inaccurate source of information for determining character strength. Vegetto is far, far stronger than simply adding Goku and Vegeta's strength together (not sure how you're coming to the conclusion that it is just them added together), and as far as the original manga is concerned, Goku and Vegeta (as well as the Pure Buu they fight at the end of the Buu Saga) pale in comparison to Gohan or Gotenks. Even Ssj Gotenks, before the boys trained within the Room of Spirit and Time, was indicated to be at least on the same tier of strength as Ssj3 Goku.

That line doesn't indicate it's a huge gap, just that Vegeta indicates that he's stronger than Gohan was. Piccolo though establishes that the difference between Vegeta and Gohan wasn't that great.

Piccolo: “He’s already surpassed Super Saiyan as well…This is tremendous power…Perhaps even greater than Gohan’s when he fought Cell…”

Since Piccolo can't tell for absolute certain if Vegeta is stronger than Gohan was or not, then that means that the gap wasn't that considerable.

Because fusion isn't anything more the adding people together? Old kai even debunks that the potara adds power in the manga. He calls kaioshin a dolt during the fight with vegito.

[Hitiro]

It is anime only ,so it's canon to the anime's continuity.

* Dabura had a spear he creates from his own energy.

* That's a destructo disc. If Krillin can use it to almost kill Freeza then why can't goku do it to buu?

* Stupid scene. Buu must have suppressed himself to toy with the gunman. He was feeling VERY sadistic when he was reborn as you use from his kill. It's no t like guns are ssj3 tier attacks. -_-

So in the instance Boo takes damage from a gun he must be suppressing himself but when he takes damage from Base Vegeta then Base Vegeta > SSJ2 level characters? Why can't Boo be suppressing himself against Base Vegeta?

Because fusion isn't anything more the adding people together? Old kai even debunks that the potara adds power in the manga. He calls kaioshin a dolt during the fight with vegito.

Nothing like this is ever said? Goku practically states he can't beat Evil Boo as a SSJ3 anyway. Yet a base fusion is picking him apart? That would seem to suggest that fusion is more than simple addition. Not to mention that all the guidebooks say that it is more than addition too. Unless you're suggesting that SSJ3 is only a little bit stronger than base Goku and a fusion with Vegeta puts him well beyond SSJ3 tier in strength?

[Pantalones]

Super Perfect Cell wasn't as strong as SSj2 Gohan back in the Cell Games (at least not when he was able to get angry and draw out his full power -- maybe Super Perfect Cell was somewhere between "normal" and "enraged" SSj2 Gohan?), which means he definitely wasn't as strong as SSj2 Vegeta who was described as "maybe even stronger than Gohan was back then." He'd still be among the best the afterlife had to offer, of course, being in the SSj2 range... but still not as strong as Vegeta.

And we already saw that someone on Vegeta's level really didn't have much of a chance against any form of Buu in a fight -- it was only through fusion and acting as a diversion (and suggesting the final Spirit Bomb) that Vegeta was able to help. I suppose Cell could've done the same things (maybe even a little better on the "diversion" front, thanks to being able to regenerate, having a wider variety of techniques, and spawning Cell Juniors to help him out), though fusing with Cell probably wouldn't work as well as fusing with Vegeta did. XD

Unless you're suggesting that SSJ3 is only a little bit stronger than base Goku and a fusion with Vegeta puts him well beyond SSJ3 tier in strength?

To be fair, some of the anime filler episodes (and GT) do seem to portray the Super Saiyan forms as a pretty small increase compared to the guidebook numbers (and I'm guessing this guy also buys into "Base Saiyans > Kaioshin and Piccolo," and very small SSj multipliers on top of randomly super-powerful base forms is literally the only way that could ever work.) Never quite so small that "Goku base + Vegeta base" without any other boost added on would be greater than SSJ3, but still.

[Darkprince410]

* Stupid scene. Buu must have suppressed himself to toy with the gunman. He was feeling VERY sadistic when he was reborn as you use from his kill. It's no t like guns are ssj3 tier attacks. -_-

Except that Piccolo established that Buu wasn't suppressed in comparison to the power previously detected from Fat Buu. There's no way that Piccolo could sense that Evil Buu was even more powerful than Fat Buu if Evil Buu was suppressing his ki to insane levels like you're suggesting.

Because fusion isn't anything more the adding people together? Old kai even debunks that the potara adds power in the manga. He calls kaioshin a dolt during the fight with vegito.

He never said anything of the sort. Kibitoshin thought that it was solely due to the Potaras that Vegetto was so incredible, and Rou Kaioushin corrected him by saying that it's as great as it is because the two of them ("two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife") had merged. So it was always going to be powerful, but because they were the ones that had merged, it became even moreso.

Besides, if regular Fusion is indicated to be far more than simply adding them together, given how powerful Ssj Gotenks is compared to the boys, and the Potaras are established to be even greater than Fusion is, how could the Potara simply be adding them together?

[Hitiro]

To be fair, some of the anime filler episodes (and GT) do seem to portray the Super Saiyan forms as a pretty small increase compared to the guidebook numbers (and I'm guessing this guy also buys into "Base Saiyans > Kaioshin and Piccolo," and very small SSj multipliers on top of randomly super-powerful base forms is literally the only way that could ever work.) Never quite so small that "Goku base + Vegeta base" without any other boost added on would be greater than SSJ3, but still.

If it was just simple addition what need would Goku need to question needing the transformations on top of the actual fusion though? If he knows that SSJ3 is only a bit stronger than base but nowhere near the strength of a base Saiyan + base Saiyan I don't see why he even needs to ask the Rou Kaioshin if they should go SSJ. Also, I don't think any of the Dragon Ball Z filler episodes imply that the SSJ forms only give a small increase compared to the guidebooks. Furthermore. That would mean that Boohan should have a godly amount of power compared to Vegetto. Because:

Vegetto: 2 base Saiyan's
Boohan: 1 Super Base Saiyan + 2 base Saiyan's + SSJ level Namekian.

^There is no way that the fusion is going to beat that out unless it has more than simple addition.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

It is anime only ,so it's canon to the anime's continuity.

* Dabura had a spear he creates from his own energy.

* That's a destructo disc. If Krillin can use it to almost kill Freeza then why can't goku do it to buu?

* Stupid scene. Buu must have suppressed himself to toy with the gunman. He was feeling VERY sadistic when he was reborn as you use from his kill. It's no t like guns are ssj3 tier attacks. -_-

So in the instance Boo takes damage from a gun he must be suppressing himself but when he takes damage from Base Vegeta then Base Vegeta > SSJ2 level characters? Why can't Boo be suppressing himself against Base Vegeta?

Because fusion isn't anything more the adding people together? Old kai even debunks that the potara adds power in the manga. He calls kaioshin a dolt during the fight with vegito.

Nothing like this is ever said? Goku practically states he can't beat Evil Boo as a SSJ3 anyway. Yet a base fusion is picking him apart? That would seem to suggest that fusion is more than simple addition. Not to mention that all the guidebooks say that it is more than addition too. Unless you're suggesting that SSJ3 is only a little bit stronger than base Goku and a fusion with Vegeta puts him well beyond SSJ3 tier in strength?

Because Vegeta is a threat...and a gunman you know....isn't. I don't go by guidebooks,they basically say Goku was at 4,000 Vegeta-_- techniquiely less. In the anime the multipliers are debunked,manga wise they still don't fit. Goku saying he can't beat super buu is debunked in the manga and doesn't add up with your daizenshuu multipliers. He is above fat buu but not super buu? they have the same power level according to what herms says the manga said about buu vs evil buu ...how does that make any sense? If ssj3 goku is 4x ssj2 goku how is he below super buu who is 2x ssj2 tournament saga gohan.

[Darkprince410]

Because Vegeta is a threat...and a gunman you know....isn't. I don't go by guidebooks,they basically say Goku was at 4,000 Vegeta-_- techniquiely less. In the anime the multipliers are debunked,manga wise they still don't fit. Goku saying he can't beat super buu is debunked in the manga and doesn't add up with your daizenshuu multipliers. He is above fat buu but not super buu? they have the same power level according to what herms says the manga said about buu vs evil buu ...how does that make any sense? If ssj3 goku is 4x ssj2 goku how is he below super buu who is 2x ssj2 tournament saga gohan.

1) Goku saying he can't beat Evil Buu isn't debunked at all in the manga, nor does it conflict with the multipliers. Besides, if Ssj3 Goku were stronger than Evil Buu, as you're claiming, why would he insist that he and Vegeta need to fuse in order to stand a chance in winning? Vegeta already knows about Ssj3 at this point, and the boys are unconscious at the time, so he has no reason to not try and beat him on his own if he had the capacity to.

2) No, it's specifically stated in the manga that Evil Buu's power increased considerably in comparison to Fat Buu's. The manga specifically indicates that the Pure Evil Buu absorbing Mr. Buu changed his body to be more suited for fighting, and made everything about him greater than it was before.

Piccolo: “…Have you noticed? …This change in Majin Boo’s ki…[ ] …He’s changed…All due to some idiotic Earthlings…He’s become pure evil, and his body has become more suited toward battle…Th-this…this…”

Piccolo: “It’s not just his appearance…Everything about him is definitely greater than before…”

[Hitiro]

Because Vegeta is a threat...and a gunman you know....isn't.

Vegeta is as much a threat as any other non-fused character. For Vegeta to be a threat then his base form would have to be comparable to SSJ3 Goku. Which would be silly to assume. So no. Vegeta isn't a threat.

I don't go by guidebooks,they basically say Goku was at 4,000 Vegeta-_- techniquiely less.

I'm not sure where you're getting these numbers from. Goku was never 4,000 x Vegeta.

In the anime the multipliers are debunked,manga wise they still don't fit.

Where is it debunked?

Goku saying he can't beat super buu is debunked in the manga and doesn't add up with your daizenshuu multipliers.

Where is this debunked too? If you're saying it doesn't add up then the fusion just being simple addition doesn't add up either because Boo clearly has more people to add to his power. In simple terms it would look like this:

Ultimate Gohan: 1.6
Evil Boo: 1.5
SSJ3 Gotenks: 1.5
SSJ3 Goku: 1.4
Goku: 1
Vegeta: 1
Gohan(Pre-Powerup): 0.8
Trunks: 0.7
Goten: 0.6
Piccolo: 0.5

Vegetto: 1 + 1 = 2
Boohan: 1.5 + 1.6 + 0.7 + 0.6 + 0.5 = 4.9

As you can see from above Boohan, just going by simple addition, is over 2x stronger than a fusion of Goku and Vegeta if we're saying that the fusion is just simple addition. It would have to be a multiplier no matter what.

He is above fat buu but not super buu? they have the same power level according to what herms says the manga said about buu vs evil buu ...how does that make any sense?

What do you mean? Evil(Super) Boo had the South Kaioshin presence within him that made him stronger than Pure(Kid) Boo. The manga even shows us his power increases when he becomes the Buff Boo. But Fat Boo's Dai Kaioshin presence was suppressing a lot of the power that Boo should have had. It would look something like this:

Evil Boo: 1.3(Original Pure Boo power) - 0.25(Weakened Dai Kaioshin presence) + 0.4(South Kaioshin presence) = 1.45
SSJ3 Goku: 1.4
Pure Boo: 1.3
Fat Boo: 1.3 - 0.5 + 0.4 = 1.2

The two Boo's didn't have the same power level according to Herms either. We're told Evil Boo is superior in every way by Piccolo. Pure Evil Boo was supposed to represent the Evil within Boo. So that fight would look something like:

Good Boo: 0.5 + 0.4 = 0.9
Pure Evil(Grey) Boo = 1.3(Boo's original evil power)

The line I think you're thinking of is:

Chapter: 485 (DBZ 291), P7.4
Context: as the two Boos fight
Narrator: “The original Majin Boo had no chance of winning...This was because during the split, the majority of the power went to the evil one…"

Which makes complete sense with the numbers I just give. And after re-absorbing the Good Boo, with the weakened Dai Kaioshin presence, his power increased quite a bit. Which is why Piccolo states that he is superior in every way and why he thought that the Gotenks that he would be fine in fighting Fat Boo would need to train to fight this new Evil Boo:

Chapter: 487 (DBZ 293), P13.5
Context: as Piccolo plans on having Goten and Trunks train in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “Can’t you tell…?! As they are now, even if they perform Fusion they can’t win, no doubt about it…! Tell them that if they don’t want to die while they’re still just little brats, then they should train as much as they can…!”

Chapter: 488 (DBZ 294), P5.5-6
Trunks: “Huh!? That’s Majin Boo!?”
Goten: “He-he really has changed…”
Piccolo: “It’s not just his appearance…Everything about him is definitely greater than before…”

[Draconic]

I am not sure if I am missing something, but does Cell even have a soul? He was bioengineered, after all. Are there any showings were artificial beings are shown in hell outside of filler/movies/GT ?

[Hitiro]

I am not sure if I am missing something, but does Cell even have a soul? He was bioengineered, after all. Are there any showings were artificial beings are shown in hell outside of filler/movies/GT ?

Goku asks Kaio where Cell is once he dies and Kaio doesn't say anything to suggest he shouldn't be in the afterlife after his death. So Cell should have a soul?

[Rockman X]

To everyone saying SPC isn't as strong as SSJ2 gohan seriously.. how else can you explain he was able to keep up with Gohan's Kamehameha and fatally injure him with one shot meant to kill Vegeta?

It is anime only ,so it's canon to the anime's continuity.

There's no "Anime Continuity" just Filler which is non-canon and you're saying Goku can beat Super buu? how? for that Goku has to be at least as strong as Gotenks SSj3 which he isn't!

[Friezacooler]

If Freeza wasn't reincarnated after over a decade, I doubt Cell was.

To be fair, Freeza had several more years of evil deeds under his belt to be punished for than Cell did. So, despite Freeza potentially being the more evil of the two, I can see Cell being cleansed and reincarnated sooner just because he had basically just days worth of killing he had done, with only the blood of thousands on his hands. Freeza though almost certainly has millions of deaths to answer for, and that many more enslaved and forced into servitude under him.

Umm I am sure Killing a Kai would be higher on the crime list then the meaningless lives frieza got rid off.

[fadeddreams5]

Let's be serious here, perfection can't be reincarnated.

[Hitiro]

Umm I am sure Killing a Kai would be higher on the crime list then the meaningless lives Freeza got rid off.

Technically that is Goku's crime rather than Cell's. Cell had not intended to kill the Kaio and it was impossible for him to stop it. It's basically like if you were throwing a knife at the wall and some idiot decide to redirect the blade at a judge's head. Should you be punished for killing a judge when it wasn't your intent?

[oreos-splash]

Yemma said "We're sending the best fighters we have here" well SPC is as strong as SSj2 Gohan so he should've been sent to Fight Buu right?

New fanfic idea

and like the others, i think Vegeta is above cell at this point

[Soccerjam]

For the same reason Master Roshi didn't ambush Buu with a Mafuba : Their hopes and dreams were given to the Saiyans, standard fare by now.

Given Buu can scream open dimensions, I seriously doubt an electric jar or bottle would hold him.