Super Episode 13 (04 October 2015)

[ekrolo2]

The problem isn't the slower exchanges, its the fact no fight can build a decent momentum to it because they keep cutting away to other stuff. No one can do more than two or three attacks before stopping, getting a close up shot of their face, flying away from each other then starting back up after a round of reaction shots from everyone else come in. It's a really bad way to make up a fight that has honestly has gone on two episodes two long already by the looks of it. Especially since it's resorted to Goku charging a Kamehameha to stop an Earth shattering attack from Beerus 3 times.

[TheRed259]

What happened when that yellow explosion occured? I didn't really get that.

[Noah]

Goku said "Beerus-sama you should not underestimate the power of the humans"? Er... What? But he's a Saiyan or is this just a foreshadow that he is planning to use the Spirit Bomb Genki Dama? lol

[Sandubadear]

What happened when that yellow explosion occured? I didn't really get that.

Beerus negated the explosion by using 100% of his power.

[Doctor.]

Especially since it's resorted to Goku charging a Kamehameha to stop an Earth shattering attack from Beerus 3 times.

Let's count the times Goku has used the Kamehameha in the series.

One in episode four.
Two in episode five.
One in episode ten.
One in episode eleven.
One in episode twelve.
One in episode fourteen.

Seven Kamehameha so far, and I might be missing some. The Saiyan arc had, what, three? It's like Toei's afraid of coming up with creative techniques.

[TheRed259]

Beerus negated the explosion by using 100% of his power.

So you say that somehow he wanted to ''protect'' the Earth?

[ekrolo2]

Especially since it's resorted to Goku charging a Kamehameha to stop an Earth shattering attack from Beerus 3 times.

Let's count the times Goku has used the Kamehameha in the series.

One in episode four.
Two in episode five.
One in episode ten.
One in episode eleven.
One in episode twelve.
One in episode fourteen.

Seven Kamehameha so far, and I might be missing some. The Saiyan arc had, what, two? It's like Toei's afraid of coming up with creative techniques.

I think the 21st Budokai arc has the most in the manga with five total but that's kind of okay there because it's the only big energy based attack at that point. Here Goku has a lot more moves and variations he can use but he doesn't. He doesn't even spam the IT to give himself the advantage like in the movie.

EDIT: Actually the Android Saga has the most with six.

[Doctor.]

He doesn't even spam the IT to give himself the advantage like in the movie.

It's a good thing he doesn't. This episode established that Goku no longer has Godly Ki. In F, Goku also stated that he couldn't go to Beerus' planet because he couldn't sense their Ki. Yet in BoG, he was using IT as a Super Saiyan, which creates a plot hole.

He could have used IT as a SSG, though.

[ekrolo2]

He doesn't even spam the IT to give himself the advantage like in the movie.

It's a good thing he doesn't. This episode established that Goku no longer has Godly Ki. In F, Goku also stated that he couldn't go to Beerus' planet because he couldn't sense their Ki. Yet in BoG, he was using IT as a Super Saiyan, which creates a plot hole.

He could have used IT as a SSG, though.

Maybe Beerus' realm is too far away for him to sense even from Otherworld?

[Doctor.]

Maybe Beerus' realm is too far away for him to sense even from Otherworld?

Perhaps that was the reason most people came up before Super. But now we know is because he doesn't have Godly Ki anymore (maybe he does when he reaches SSGSS, who knows). Godly Ki was something very weird that, thankfully, got cleared up a bit in this episode.

[ekrolo2]

Maybe Beerus' realm is too far away for him to sense even from Otherworld?

Perhaps that was the reason most people came up before Super. But now we know is because he doesn't have Godly Ki anymore (maybe he does when he reaches SSGSS, who knows). Godly Ki was something very weird that, thankfully, got cleared up a bit in this episode.

His God powers been morphed into mortal strength now right? Herms' fact checker said Beerus stated something along those lines.

[Ajay]

Seven Kamehameha so far, and I might be missing some. The Saiyan arc had, what, three? It's like Toei's afraid of coming up with creative techniques.

Glad someone finally bothered to count. This is my biggest issue with Super so far. It's not just the number of usages, either; the way they're presenting them is starting to wear incredibly thin. Having two instances of the repeated "HA! Ha! Ha!" was a dreadful decision. Bye bye all intensity. That sort of effect should be used for emphasis, not as a consistent stylistic choice.

To weigh in on the animation decisions: I don't think the intensity issues stem from sparse instances of detailed animation over lengthy repeated frames. I think it's purely down to direction, which ties into my previous point about wearing things thin.

Hitting appropriate action beats during these fights is incredibly important. Super isn't really doing that well in most of its episodes. I bring up Episode #11 as an example of great direction a lot, but it's for a good reason. That episode works so well because of its structure: We begin slowly on earth, before Goku powers up and we get a short section of speedy action where our hero is doing okay. This is then followed by a painful beat down, as the tides change. The intensity ramps up once we head into space, and we get a great power struggle, before we hit the major turning point of the episode. All of the action goes away, and we sit there watching our hero deliver a poignant monologue, as he slips deeper into the ocean. Surprise recovery, return to space, and we're all excited again for the next episode. That's absolutely excellent direction! That has nothing to do with the animation.

The following episodes have yet to really nail the same structure. They fall flat because the tone never changes. We go from a lengthy beam struggle to a power up, to some fist-to-fist fighting, and then there's some more powering up before it all repeats. There's no sense of drama there, at all. It's just a montage of action, and while that might sound fun on paper, it makes for a boring episode. Hit the narrative beats, and you end up with a great episode.

That said, I don't think #13 falls into this category. It's #12 that was especially guilty of this. But perhaps I just enjoyed the content in the cutaways too much to care? Who knows!

[FortuneSSJ]

I don't like how they are always changing between the fight and other people reactions.
I want to feel the action and be focused on the fight.

By the way, that Goku Theme is as addicting as ever.

The problem isn't the slower exchanges, its the fact no fight can build a decent momentum to it because they keep cutting away to other stuff. No one can do more than two or three attacks before stopping, getting a close up shot of their face, flying away from each other then starting back up after a round of reaction shots from everyone else come in. It's a really bad way to make up a fight that has honestly has gone on two episodes two long already by the looks of it. Especially since it's resorted to Goku charging a Kamehameha to stop an Earth shattering attack from Beerus 3 times.

Pretty much this.

[Sandubadear]

Beerus negated the explosion by using 100% of his power.

So you say that somehow he wanted to ''protect'' the Earth?

Not only the Earth, if that thing exploded, the whole universe would be destroyed, Beerus himself would probably die.

[Luso Saiyan]

Great character interaction in the scene when Piccolo holds Whis' arm.

[DragonHermit]

Whis says I haven't seen Beerus have this much fun since 900 years ago. 100% without a doubt, that 900 years ago reference will be elaborated on. Maybe that's when he last fought Champa?

[ekrolo2]

Whis says I haven't seen Beerus have this much fun since 900 years ago. 100% without a doubt, that 900 years ago reference will be elaborated on. Maybe that's when he last fought Champa?

That's the last time the Legendary Super Saiyan appeared which will lead into the LSSJ arc starring the greatest DBZ character ever, Broly!

[Noah]

Whis says I haven't seen Beerus have this much fun since 900 years ago. 100% without a doubt, that 900 years ago reference will be elaborated on. Maybe that's when he last fought Champa?

So is Beerus indeed using 100% of his power against SSJG Goku? Nobody answered yet

[Kuririn Fan]

Vegeta hasn't said a single word in 4 episodes and still managed to be badass.

Well... 3 really good episodes in a row, I'm getting excited again with Super. Although I 'm afraid that this will not last for the arrival of the (for me) absolutely useless FoF/RoF arc.

And this battle, Beerus is weaker than BoG right?
Always good to see the Super Saiyajin again. My favorite transformation.

The new ending is awesome. Man! Good song, good drawings.

Man, RoF needs to be retelled, it had almost no important plot points shown/explained. I dont like to talk about power levels but i think that hes def stronger and more evil than BoG. 3 hits and the universe is gone

[fadeddreams5]

Watched it. Good animation. It was a decent episode. The highlight was watching Whis about to slap a bitch before Vegeta intervening.

My personal gripes:
- So many kawaii expressions, such as Goku's cute face palm when Beerus explains he won't use 100% on a saiyan, Goku and Beerus expressing the pain of their headbutting in a comical matter (sure as hell didn't see that in the Majin Vegeta fight), and random laughter or goofy fits of anger. It really turns me off.

- Every time that Videl impostor is on-screen, I cringe. I really liked Videl in both the saiyaman arc and older Toei movies/specials.

- That Goku Arrival theme needs to die.