Broly's REAL reason for hating Goku?

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Honestly one of the thing Broly haters use to bash him is his bad back story/hatred of Goku, but I think it's mis-understood. Mainly due to the movie not explaining it very well. This is how I see/justify Broly hatred of Goku.

Broly was born extremely strong in a race that normally resects power and would respect him for it, but instead, for simply being strong AS A SAIYAN SHOULD BE he was sentenced to death. Thrown out like garbage to bleed out with his father after being picked up and stabbed. This is where his hatred of Goku comes from. Not because they were born on the same day, not because he made Broly cry. But because the very last thing Broly remembers before his traumatic event, the thing is mind clings to during it's last moments of sanity was the memory of Goku. An unpleasant one of Kakrot making Broly cry. His mind clings to it, and his hatred grew over time. How can Broly remember this? The same reason why he could manipulate ki as a newborn infant. He's actually pretty smart, born a prodigy. He never had sacred water or even had Goku and friends to watch like Vegeta and he could sense ki. One of 3 full blooded saiyans In the universe who have done so.

Am I wrong? I think this fits perfectly. Unless this was explained in some book this is all I can think. Anyone see a flaw in this or got a better explanation? Because born on the same day doesn't fit for me. Even though it helped him know Goku in the first place, I don't see it as the sole reason.

[Pantalones]

That would actually make a lot of sense, considering that babies aren't exactly good at cause-and-effect yet -- his very earliest memories might be "Goku is there crying, and then bad stuff happened" so he associates the two with each other and ends up clinging to that memory throughout his life and hating Goku more and more as he goes crazier and crazier.

[Rockman X]

How can Broly remember this?

Bad writing.. i'm pretty sure babies don't start having long term memory after they're born let alone remembering the names of other people it would make more sense if Broly just HATED ALL Saiyans not just Goku who is an adult.

Am I wrong?

Yes.. your "head canon" makes no sense... its just a desperate attempt to justify the awfully written&overrated character that brolly is,i'll tell you the REAL reason why he hates goku! cus he's the main character.

[manwolf]

Ok Broly is a newborn who can control ki, hours alive and he are stronger almost all the saiyans, he receives a trauma for being stabbed, the genius of a warrior race having some kind of trauma for a wound, and he doesn't hate Freeza or some kind of random saiyan, no he hates Goku for crying, yea hearing a baby crying is unpleasant but more unpleasant is you know being stabbed, or having your home planet destroyed.

You cannot have reason with a character who becomes stronger cause the plot say so cause no Broly cannot be the legendary supersaiyan, the logical thing is that he dies for having no ki control in the space or with luck some kind of saiyan with then thousand units cause he cannot train with anyone

[TheDevilsCorpse]

It's missing some details (for the sake of tying close to the movie rather than Jaco), but this is basically my project's rewritten version of his origin...

[Captain-Sora]

The big glaring flaw with Broly's backstory is how he even recalls Goku at all.

Barring the far-fetched notion of him somehow vividly remembering such an insignificant thing as a baby and having that be the catalyst of the battle to come, what makes the whole thing really fall apart is the fact he didn't even see Goku when they were lying next to each other. They're just laying there with their eyes closed, unable to really look at one another. Hell, the movie even depicts this whole thing in a flashback, showing the memory that's triggering his agitation, and it blatantly exemplifies how his recollection should be physically impossible.

One could try to say that he just "sensed" him and it's his particular energy that he's remembering, but since the film goes out of its way to cement the fact that Broly is visually recalling that day, the whole thing just capsizes in on itself.

[nickzambuto]

I enjoy the theory that Broly actually could have been the first pure-hearted Saiyan and the reversal of his and Goku's roles is just astronomical chance of fate.

Think about it. We know that when Goku first landed on Earth, he was hostile like any other Saiyan, and Gohan couldn't figure out what to do with him. That was until Goku bumped his head and got brain damage that turned him into a simpleton. By comparison, Broly was born docile and gentle. The doctors in the room even make the comparison that despite Broly's great power over Kakarot, Kakarot was more feisty and made Broly cry.

A Saiyan born with such great power for no apparent reason was clearly meant to become the legendary Super Saiyan, and the biggest factor for a Super Saiyan is having a pure heart. And when Planet Vegeta was going boom, it was Broly's instinct not only to save himself, but to protect his father as well. This is a rare case of a Saiyan genuinely caring for their relative. Everything is consistent with the theory of Broly having a pure heart, but after suffering such absurd trauma as a new born, his psyche was scarred. This stunt in his development made it more difficult for him to cope with his overwhelming power and accept his destiny, so he had manic episodes where he went berserk, not necessarily in cruelty or evil, but because he was overwhelmed. So on top of everything he has suffered, his father locks him with a mind control device that suppresses all of his emotions and personality for years.

The stew of emotions inside Broly's head eventually made him lose his mind. He snapped. When the mind control collar finally came off, everything that was suppressed for so many years boiled to the surface all at once, and the target? Kakarot, the source of his first negative emotion, the beginning of all his turmoil.

Broly could have been a hero. The gentle giant. His loss of sanity caused by forces outside of his own control is about as tragic as anything else I've ever seen in Dragon Ball.

[Scarlet Spider]

I enjoy the theory that Broly actually could have been the first pure-hearted Saiyan and the reversal of his and Goku's roles is just astronomical chance of fate.

Think about it. We know that when Goku first landed on Earth, he was hostile like any other Saiyan, and Gohan couldn't figure out what to do with him. That was until Goku bumped his head and got brain damage that turned him into a simpleton. By comparison, Broly was born docile and gentle. The doctors in the room even make the comparison that despite Broly's great power over Kakarot, Kakarot was more feisty and made Broly cry.

A Saiyan born with such great power for no apparent reason was clearly meant to become the legendary Super Saiyan, and the biggest factor for a Super Saiyan is having a pure heart. And when Planet Vegeta was going boom, it was Broly's instinct not only to save himself, but to protect his father as well. This is a rare case of a Saiyan genuinely caring for their relative. Everything is consistent with the theory of Broly having a pure heart, but after suffering such absurd trauma as a new born, his psyche was scarred. This stunt in his development made it more difficult for him to cope with his overwhelming power and accept his destiny, so he had manic episodes where he went berserk, not necessarily in cruelty or evil, but because he was overwhelmed. So on top of everything he has suffered, his father locks him with a mind control device that suppresses all of his emotions and personality for years.

The stew of emotions inside Broly's head eventually made him lose his mind. He snapped. When the mind control collar finally came off, everything that was suppressed for so many years boiled to the surface all at once, and the target? Kakarot, the source of his first negative emotion, the beginning of all his turmoil.

Broly could have been a hero. The gentle giant. His loss of sanity caused by forces outside of his own control is about as tragic as anything else I've ever seen in Dragon Ball.

Agreed. He reminds me of Android 16. Though Broly looks so sad in his base form. Like he's got a permanent frown. Even as a baby he seemed so troubled though.
While I doubt this would really fit in here, I remember Goku wishing him and Broly could have been friends in the Shin Budokai games.

[fadeddreams5]

He's sad because he hasn't ripped a living creature in half all day. :'(

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

He's sad because he hasn't ripped a living creature in half all day. :'(

HAHA XD I think it'd make more sense if Broly hated Vegeta for what his father did. Goku seams like a psychological link to a traumatic event. That's how I see his hatred for Goku coming forth. Broly gets way too much hate though. Yeah sme of his fanboys are ridiculous, but then by that logic we need to hate Beerus and Whis because people think they can beat a super saiyan 4 0.o

[VegettoEX]

Yes.. your "head canon" makes no sense... its just a desperate attempt to justify the awfully written&overrated character that brolly is,i'll tell you the REAL reason why he hates goku! cus he's the main character.

In addition to being poorly-written, your post is a personal attack on another member. Please review the community guidelines, which you agreed to (twice) prior to registration, before making any further contributions.

[nickzambuto]

VegettoEX reminds me of Freeza. Wrecking you while being completely proper and polite.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

VegettoEX reminds me of Freeza. Wrecking you while being completely proper and polite.

Haha I saw that on his twitter before I saw it here. This isn't even the first time he's Frieza'd somebody attacking me. I have a bad habit of accidently offending people I guess, even though that's the last thing on my mind when writing this stuff.

[Rockman X]

your post is a personal attack on another member.

You're the one who's unfairly bullying me around the forums! look mister @VegettoEX i don't care who you are! i am not intimidated by your passive aggressive tactics! i know when i'm in the wrong and when i'm NOT.

I only critiqued Broly's character and the fan theories i didn't call @SSJGODSSJ4Gogeta names so how is it a "Personal attack" on another member? you're the one making "Personal attacks" on me because somehow my posts manage to hurt your ego.

[TripleRach]

You're the one who's unfairly bullying me around the forums! look mister @VegettoEX i don't care who you are! i am not intimidated by your passive aggressive tactics! i know when i'm in the wrong and when i'm NOT.

I only critiqued Broly's character and the fan theories i didn't call @SSJGODSSJ4Gogeta names so how is it a "Personal attack" on another member? you're the one making "Personal attacks" on me because somehow my posts manage to hurt your ego.

There's nothing unfair about an administrator or moderator asking you to follow the rules. We're just trying to keep things civil, for you and everyone else.

Personal attacks don't just mean calling someone names in this case. Being dismissive and condescending in response to another person's post is rude and unnecessary. The "fan theories" in question belonged to a specific person whom you were quoting.

[oreos-splash]

Honestly one of the thing Broly haters use to bash him is his bad back story/hatred of Goku, but I think it's mis-understood. Mainly due to the movie not explaining it very well. This is how I see/justify Broly hatred of Goku.

Broly was born extremely strong in a race that normally resects power and would respect him for it, but instead, for simply being strong AS A SAIYAN SHOULD BE he was sentenced to death. Thrown out like garbage to bleed out with his father after being picked up and stabbed. This is where his hatred of Goku comes from. Not because they were born on the same day, not because he made Broly cry. But because the very last thing Broly remembers before his traumatic event, the thing is mind clings to during it's last moments of sanity was the memory of Goku. An unpleasant one of Kakrot making Broly cry. His mind clings to it, and his hatred grew over time. How can Broly remember this? The same reason why he could manipulate ki as a newborn infant. He's actually pretty smart, born a prodigy. He never had sacred water or even had Goku and friends to watch like Vegeta and he could sense ki. One of 3 full blooded saiyans In the universe who have done so.

Am I wrong? I think this fits perfectly. Unless this was explained in some book this is all I can think. Anyone see a flaw in this or got a better explanation? Because born on the same day doesn't fit for me. Even though it helped him know Goku in the first place, I don't see it as the sole reason.

Hey I thought this was the true reason all along. A crying Goku child or name could be the catalyst for unearthing traumatic pain and abuse

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Honestly one of the thing Broly haters use to bash him is his bad back story/hatred of Goku, but I think it's mis-understood. Mainly due to the movie not explaining it very well. This is how I see/justify Broly hatred of Goku.

Broly was born extremely strong in a race that normally resects power and would respect him for it, but instead, for simply being strong AS A SAIYAN SHOULD BE he was sentenced to death. Thrown out like garbage to bleed out with his father after being picked up and stabbed. This is where his hatred of Goku comes from. Not because they were born on the same day, not because he made Broly cry. But because the very last thing Broly remembers before his traumatic event, the thing is mind clings to during it's last moments of sanity was the memory of Goku. An unpleasant one of Kakrot making Broly cry. His mind clings to it, and his hatred grew over time. How can Broly remember this? The same reason why he could manipulate ki as a newborn infant. He's actually pretty smart, born a prodigy. He never had sacred water or even had Goku and friends to watch like Vegeta and he could sense ki. One of 3 full blooded saiyans In the universe who have done so.

Am I wrong? I think this fits perfectly. Unless this was explained in some book this is all I can think. Anyone see a flaw in this or got a better explanation? Because born on the same day doesn't fit for me. Even though it helped him know Goku in the first place, I don't see it as the sole reason.

Hey I thought this was the true reason all along. A crying Goku child or name could be the catalyst for unearthing traumatic pain and abuse

I know right? I mean logically Goku has to be a mental trigger to the traumatic event as he was the last person he recalls an event with before the most scarring thing of his life happened. And it doesn't help that the memory of Goku is already an unpleasant one. I just think that no matter what the reason they didn't convey it well in the film, even though it's the BEST DragonBall film IMO.