Is the DB Super 100 episode rumor false?

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Is the DB Super 100 episode rumor false?

Post by OWmyDragonBallz » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:56 pm

Was it stated in an article somewhere that the series would be around 100 episodes or was that pulled out of the American fandom's ass?

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Re: Is the DB Super 100 episode rumor false?

Post by VegettoEX » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:01 pm

Toei Europe's website initially listed "100" next to the "Episodes" box on their website's DBS catalog page, but it was soon/later/quickly replaced with just "xx".

Without doing any further research or follow-up, yes, many people went on to report that Dragon Ball Super had been specifically announced and confirmed as "100 episodes".
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Re: Is the DB Super 100 episode rumor false?

Post by Dbzfan94 » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:01 pm

OWmyDragonBallz wrote:Was it stated in an article somewhere that the series would be around 100 episodes or was that pulled out of the American fandom's ass?
Why do you automatically assume it was the American fan base? I don't think there was really a need to add that.
But to answer the question I'm pretty sure it started in Japan from Toei

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Re: Is the DB Super 100 episode rumor false?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:19 pm

Super will go on as long it has good merchandise sales. GT didn't live up to DBZ seeing how poor the ratings and merchandise sales where which is why it ended at 64 episodes.
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Re: Is the DB Super 100 episode rumor false?

Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:46 pm

Yes, 100% false. Why would a television show be greenlit for 100 episodes? If Super is cancelled any time before then due to ratings TOEI would lose a lot of money on the episodes not produced.
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Re: Is the DB Super 100 episode rumor false?

Post by OWmyDragonBallz » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:28 pm

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OWmyDragonBallz wrote:Was it stated in an article somewhere that the series would be around 100 episodes or was that pulled out of the American fandom's ass?
Why do you automatically assume it was the American fan base? I don't think there was really a need to add that.
But to answer the question I'm pretty sure it started in Japan from Toei
Because the American fan base is the main reason why so many people were misinformed growing up with the show on Toonami. That's where the whole "fans wanted Toriyama to continue the series so that's why he continued" and all the other crap like that which kept escalating. Same people who thought FUNi made Dragon Ball Z. It would make sense. Very misleading dub results to a very misleading American fandom.

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Post by TheGreatness25 » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:03 pm

OWmyDragonBallz wrote:
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OWmyDragonBallz wrote:Because the American fan base is the main reason why so many people were misinformed growing up with the show on Toonami. That's where the whole "fans wanted Toriyama to continue the series so that's why he continued" and all the other crap like that which kept escalating. Same people who thought FUNi made Dragon Ball Z. It would make sense. Very misleading dub results to a very misleading American fandom.

A misleading dub does not account for any of the things you mentioned, actually. You're talking about kid fans. The same way as I'm sure there are 10 year old kids in France who didn't know it was a Japanese anime and thought it was done in France.

You do know that the majority of these "uninformed fans" are probably just kids. Who do you think goes on the YouTube videos and populates many forums and says some stupid off-the-wall nonsense? Do you think they're adults? They're teenagers at best. So if you'r taking what kids say (to try to act cool, most of the time) and judge it as "American fandom," then I don't know what to tell you. I think anybody over the age of 18 that populates conventions, buys tickets to the movies, and signs up to discussion boards to talk about all things Dragon Ball does not fall into whatever category you mentioned. Again, I will tell you that when FUNimation ran with their original dub, the audience was kids. Kids who have since become wiser and more informed about the series.


If you think that all "American fandom" is represented by those who you describe, then that's hilarious. It's fully possible to understand that if the episode count was put up on the official website, the rumor started that the show was confirmed for 100 episodes. American fandom, Australian fandom, Canadian fandom, Mexican fandom, Malaysian fandom, or British fandom, if someone sees that there is a 100 episode count on a website, what's so crazy to think that such a rumor would start?

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Re: Is the DB Super 100 episode rumor false?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:25 pm

Dragon Ball Ireland wrote:Yes, 100% false. Why would a television show be greenlit for 100 episodes? If Super is cancelled any time before then due to ratings TOEI would lose a lot of money on the episodes not produced.
I hear the 3D Clone Wars series was greenlit to be 100 episodes. Seeing that show is Star Wars and was made to sell toys, I'm not surprise. Toei and Bandai are probably planning ahead for Super unless things don't go out as planned.
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Re: Is the DB Super 100 episode rumor false?

Post by OWmyDragonBallz » Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:04 pm

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Dragon Ball Ireland wrote:Yes, 100% false. Why would a television show be greenlit for 100 episodes? If Super is cancelled any time before then due to ratings TOEI would lose a lot of money on the episodes not produced.
I hear the 3D Clone Wars series was greenlit to be 100 episodes. Seeing that show is Star Wars and was made to sell toys, I'm not surprise. Toei and Bandai are probably planning ahead for Super unless things don't go out as planned.
Sadly "The Clone Wars" was cancelled and didn't reach it's conclusion. I am not sure if this is true, but it was going to be around 8 seasons and lead directly into "Revenge of the Sith" and then the final episode would go a little beyond that through the perspectives of Ahsoka and Rex.

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Re: Is the DB Super 100 episode rumor false?

Post by precita » Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:09 pm

At the rate Super is going I'll be surprised if it surpasses GT's 64 episode count. By the looks of things covering Return of F will take the series up to episode 30 or so.

I expect 30 episodes or so in Universe 6 and that might be it.

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Re: Is the DB Super 100 episode rumor false?

Post by Dbzfan94 » Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:44 pm

OWmyDragonBallz wrote:
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OWmyDragonBallz wrote:Was it stated in an article somewhere that the series would be around 100 episodes or was that pulled out of the American fandom's ass?
Why do you automatically assume it was the American fan base? I don't think there was really a need to add that.
But to answer the question I'm pretty sure it started in Japan from Toei
Because the American fan base is the main reason why so many people were misinformed growing up with the show on Toonami. That's where the whole "fans wanted Toriyama to continue the series so that's why he continued" and all the other crap like that which kept escalating. Same people who thought FUNi made Dragon Ball Z. It would make sense. Very misleading dub results to a very misleading American fandom.
Very few people actually think that Funi made DBZ. I've never seen that before. Maybe if they're kids but not otherwise. The dub isn't as misleading as you claim it to be. Also people throughout the world in the DB fandom "mislead" each other so why single out the American ones?

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Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:38 am

precita wrote:At the rate Super is going I'll be surprised if it surpasses GT's 64 episode count. By the looks of things covering Return of F will take the series up to episode 30 or so.

I expect 30 episodes or so in Universe 6 and that might be it.
Super will last as long as the merchandise sales remain good. So for all we know, it could last for more than 100 episodes.

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Post by DragonHermit » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:18 am

If Funimation would make amends with Bruce Faulconer, they could make this series 10x better. Was just watching Vegeta's 1st SSJ transformation on Original Funi Dub. Damn, once the piano comes in, Faulconer + Chris Sabat = pure orgasm.

0:50 That line "Does a machine like yourself ever experience fear?" :clap: The Japanese only ever got this close with Gohan's SSJ2 transformation. Funi made this series from great to legendary.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:46 am

DragonHermit wrote:If Funimation would make amends with Bruce Faulconer, they could make this series 10x better. Was just watching Vegeta's 1st SSJ transformation on Original Funi Dub. Damn, once the piano comes in, Faulconer + Chris Sabat = pure orgasm.

0:50 That line "Does a machine like yourself ever experience fear?" :clap: The Japanese only ever got this close with Gohan's SSJ2 transformation. Funi made this series from great to legendary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0vWx9VjGe0
The original FUNi dub was awful in several aspects and created many misconceptions about the series that only their dub for Kai remedied. Sure, a few of Faulconer's tracks were pretty cool but the soundtrack overall just does fit with Dragon Ball. The original FUNi dub had a "so bad, it's good" charm to it, but Kai has made the original FUNi dub of Z obsolete and at the same time proved that underneath the bad acting, awful script and unfitting soundtrack, there was a damn good shonen action anime to be watched.

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Post by DragonHermit » Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:25 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:The original FUNi dub had a "so bad, it's good" charm to it, but Kai has made the original FUNi dub of Z obsolete and at the same time proved that underneath the bad acting, awful script and unfitting soundtrack, there was a damn good shonen action anime to be watched.
wth? you realize that was the #1 cartoon for many years in US when it first aired? it was the most watched show on cartoon network history at that time.

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Post by VegettoEX » Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:33 pm

DragonHermit wrote:wth? you realize that was the #1 cartoon for many years in US when it first aired? it was the most watched show on cartoon network history at that time.
Many people would argue that its popularity and success was in spite of all of its deficiencies and failings as a dubbed production, but honestly, that's a conversation for another place and another time. I'm happy to keep the original conversation here going, but I'm not sure there's much else to say on the matter.
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Re: Is the DB Super 100 episode rumor false?

Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:40 pm

DragonHermit wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:The original FUNi dub had a "so bad, it's good" charm to it, but Kai has made the original FUNi dub of Z obsolete and at the same time proved that underneath the bad acting, awful script and unfitting soundtrack, there was a damn good shonen action anime to be watched.
wth? you realize that was the #1 cartoon for many years in US when it first aired? it was the most watched show on cartoon network history at that time.
That doesn't negate the fact the original FUNi dub run of the show had poor acting, a really bad script and an unfitting soundtrack. I sure many of the kids who grew up watching the show didn't even know it originated from Japan.

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:06 pm

To be fair even if it was as faithful as Kai I still think many wouldn't known it was from Japan unless it was advertised like "witness this Japanese phenomenon".

I think Resurrection "F" and BoG are perfect example of the idea that whatever FUNi did DBZ it was always going to popular. No one (or hardly no-one) complained about the accurate portrayals or the music, and in Resurrection "F"'s case the fans ate it all up.

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:20 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
DragonHermit wrote:If Funimation would make amends with Bruce Faulconer, they could make this series 10x better. Was just watching Vegeta's 1st SSJ transformation on Original Funi Dub. Damn, once the piano comes in, Faulconer + Chris Sabat = pure orgasm.

0:50 That line "Does a machine like yourself ever experience fear?" :clap: The Japanese only ever got this close with Gohan's SSJ2 transformation. Funi made this series from great to legendary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0vWx9VjGe0
The original FUNi dub was awful in several aspects and created many misconceptions about the series that only their dub for Kai remedied. Sure, a few of Faulconer's tracks were pretty cool but the soundtrack overall just does fit with Dragon Ball. The original FUNi dub had a "so bad, it's good" charm to it, but Kai has made the original FUNi dub of Z obsolete and at the same time proved that underneath the bad acting, awful script and unfitting soundtrack, there was a damn good shonen action anime to be watched.
While I don't want to start another score debate, there's not one set type of score that 'fits' Dragon Ball. Let's use the manga as an example. Pretend you've never seen the anime and thus never heard any score or voices at all. What one person may picture a score to sound like for a particular Scene may be completely different than what someone else may hear. They're both right in their own way.

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Post by DragonHermit » Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:06 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
DragonHermit wrote:wth? you realize that was the #1 cartoon for many years in US when it first aired? it was the most watched show on cartoon network history at that time.
Many people would argue that its popularity and success was in spite of all of its deficiencies and failings as a dubbed production, but honestly, that's a conversation for another place and another time. I'm happy to keep the original conversation here going, but I'm not sure there's much else to say on the matter.
I don't think that can be argued for music, seeing the amount of fans Faulconer has, and the millions of views his songs get today. Kai's music is carnival fair music.

Like someone said above, different people have different expectations for music, but Faulconer and Funi capture perfectly that "bad-ass" vibe. I run to his songs all the time, especially Vegeta SSJ, Gohan Anger theme, and Goku SSJ3, which are very adrenaline pumping. The only criticism I have of Faulconer, is there weren't enough quiet moments.

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