Does "God Form" allow you to breathe in space?

[Hitiro]

What is said by the Author overwrites what is seen visually anyway.

Like i said before feats> statements don't know why you keep bringing up this same argument.

No, that isn't the case. If Akira Toriyama states Goku can't do something you better believe that he can't do something. He is the one with creative control. Mistakes in artistic style, like this probably is, does not make something a fact.

The moon also looks much closer to the Earth in Dragon Ball yet Akira Toriyama has told us it is the same distance away as in our universe.

The moon actually looks pretty far away from earth didn't need Akira's help for that either dragon ball super let's us know this

People have done calculations of the moons distance to Earth on this forum and several others. The art is inconsistent with what we've been told by Akira Toriyama himself.

The fact is Goku can't breathe in space according to the information we've been given.

and according to new material it seems that has been retconned

No? Because we've already been told by somebody else in this exact thread that they were supposed to be battling in the atmosphere, regardless of the issues with what we see from the art. The synopsis of the episode says they are supposed to be fighting in the stratosphere. So regardless of the issues with what layer of the atmosphere they are fighting in, they are supposed to be within the atmosphere.

Also, it is possible that they were fighting in the Exosphere, or just blow in the top half of the Thermosphere as per the diagram you showed. Which would allow for the stars to be around them. There is actually air up there. Though it is vastly thin.

something like this is the exosphere




This is space

This is just a baseless assumption on your part. Are you a scientist that has studied the layers of the atmosphere and been up there to check? The Exosphere and Thermosphere extend massively above the planet. The diagram you showed earlier is nowhere near to scale. Here is a more accurate picture of the scale of the atmospheric layers:

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As you can plainly see the Thermosphere extends massively above the the planet. So the two gif's you provided could easily still mean they are in the Thermosphere or Exosphere. Furthermore, depending on how things are within the atmosphere You can even get the look of the the Thermosphere between the Troposphere and Mesosphere, this includes the Stratosphere.

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This image was taken from a site stating that this was taken between the Troposphere and Mesosphere.

[Kamiccolo9]

This is all assuming that either Toriyama or Toei gave two fucks about making the atmospheric levels of the planet look remotely similar to those of real-life Earth.

But, as usual, there's this huge double standard when it comes to sciencey-wiency stuff in Dragon Ball. Piccolo destroying the moon and it not wreaking total havoc with the tides, and characters allegedly moving at supersonic speeds without causing any environmental destruction is perfectly fine, but GOD FORBID that the DB stratosphere is darker than the real life one.

[pacz360]

Seems to me that there in the exosphere at least but of course akira probably forgot what's a stratosphere or a exosphere looks like.

[Neon Z]

Hm... rewatching the episode itself, it's mentioned that their power was burning the atmosphere before they rise even further. Considering how that solves the problem, wouldn't it imply that they are outside of the atmosphere afterwards? It contradicts a previous statement from Toriyama, but Super has been changing details from the movies, so those statements aren't even necessarily valid for Super.

I guess there's the magazine episode description, but those have had mistakes for Super itself too. There was a different description of this same episode that said that Beerus would undergo a transformation during it and yet there was nothing like that in the episode itself.

[Saiyan007]

People have done calculations of the moons distance to Earth on this forum and several others. The art is inconsistent with what we've been told by Akira Toriyama himself.

You don't need to do "calculations" when the art looks just fine Akira didn't draw things aren't to scale especially when he told us the moon distance is the same as our own

No? Because we've already been told by somebody else in this exact thread that they were supposed to be battling in the atmosphere, regardless of the issues with what we see from the art. The synopsis of the episode says they are supposed to be fighting in the stratosphere. So regardless of the issues with what layer of the atmosphere they are fighting in, they are supposed to be within the atmosphere.

Like are you even reading anything at this point,do you even know where the stratosphere is?

The stratosphere is where planes fly where Goku and Beerus were,you will never find planes flying that high it's rather simple really not rocket science

Also, it is possible that they were fighting in the Exosphere, or just blow in the top half of the Thermosphere as per the diagram you showed. Which would allow for the stars to be around them. There is actually air up there. Though it is vastly thin.

Again the stratosphere doesn't extend that high

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This is just a baseless assumption on your part. Are you a scientist that has studied the layers of the atmosphere and been up there to check?

No you don't need to be a scientist for this basic stuff when google literally gives you the answer in 5 minutes

The Exosphere and Thermosphere extend massively above the planet. The diagram you showed earlier is nowhere near to scale. Here is a more accurate picture of the scale of the atmospheric layers:

Spoiler:

As you can plainly see the Thermosphere extends massively above the the planet.

So thank you for agreeing with your picture that they are not clearly fighting in the stratosphere

So the two gif's you provided could easily still mean they are in the Thermosphere or Exosphere.

Yes the first one is them in the exosphere like i stated........

Furthermore, depending on how things are within the atmosphere You can even get the look of the the Thermosphere between the Troposphere and Mesosphere, this includes the Stratosphere.

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This image was taken from a site stating that this was taken between the Troposphere and Mesosphere.

Yes and your image shows us that the stratosphere is lower than the troposphere and mesophere

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So thank you for agreeing that they are not fighting in the stratosphere

[Hitiro]

People have done calculations of the moons distance to Earth on this forum and several others. The art is inconsistent with what we've been told by Akira Toriyama himself.

You don't need to do "calculations" when the art looks just fine Akira didn't draw things aren't to scale especially when he told us the moon distance is the same as our own

Even without calculations you can clearly see that Akira Toriyama has drawn the distances wrong.

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As you can see the Earth doesn't look that big from the moon. Yer we have this from his own work.

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As you can see the Earth shouldn't look as big as it does from the moon. Yet it does in his manga. So no. The art doesn't look fine at all. Yet nobody has a problem accepting that the distance is actually the same because there will be artistic inaccuracies. And this is what the issue is here.

No? Because we've already been told by somebody else in this exact thread that they were supposed to be battling in the atmosphere, regardless of the issues with what we see from the art. The synopsis of the episode says they are supposed to be fighting in the stratosphere. So regardless of the issues with what layer of the atmosphere they are fighting in, they are supposed to be within the atmosphere.

Like are you even reading anything at this point,do you even know where the stratosphere is?

The stratosphere is where planes fly where Goku and Beerus were,you will never find planes flying that high it's rather simple really not rocket science

This is insulting and I would suggest you watch your tone. Of course I know what the stratosphere is. Are you reading anything at this point? Because I clearly said that they are "supposed" to be fighting in the stratosphere. I also said "regardless of the issues with what layer of the atmosphere they are fighting in." What does this tell you about what I said? That there is clearly an issue with what is said in the synopsis. But it doesn't change the fact that they are supposed to be fighting in the atmosphere. Therefore what is at fault here is the artwork. It isn't depicting what was said.

Also, it is possible that they were fighting in the Exosphere, or just blow in the top half of the Thermosphere as per the diagram you showed. Which would allow for the stars to be around them. There is actually air up there. Though it is vastly thin.

Again the stratosphere doesn't extend that high

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Again, are you reading what I'm saying here? I never mentioned the stratosphere here. I said Thermosphere and Exosphere I have already said that there is an issue with the artwork. They were supposed to be drawing them in the Stratosphere during this fight but drew it incorrectly. Otherwise why would the synopsis say they are fighting in the Stratosphere? Regardless of the position they actually drew the characters in they are supposed to be within the atmosphere.

This is just a baseless assumption on your part. Are you a scientist that has studied the layers of the atmosphere and been up there to check?

No you don't need to be a scientist for this basic stuff when google literally gives you the answer in 5 minutes

And with 10 minutes of google and an actual A level in Science I can tell you that you are incorrect. Funny that.

The Exosphere and Thermosphere extend massively above the planet. The diagram you showed earlier is nowhere near to scale. Here is a more accurate picture of the scale of the atmospheric layers:

Spoiler:

As you can plainly see the Thermosphere extends massively above the the planet.

So thank you for agreeing with your picture that they are not clearly fighting in the stratosphere

Again, not once did I say that the artwork suggests they were fighting in the stratosphere. You need to start reading peoples comments. What I said was that the synopsis tells us they are supposed to be fighting within that layer of the atmosphere. The issue here is the art is incorrect.

So the two gif's you provided could easily still mean they are in the Thermosphere or Exosphere.

Yes the first one is them in the exosphere like i stated........

Incorrect. They are both in the Thermosphere from just looking at the image I provided.

Furthermore, depending on how things are within the atmosphere You can even get the look of the the Thermosphere between the Troposphere and Mesosphere, this includes the Stratosphere.

Spoiler:

This image was taken from a site stating that this was taken between the Troposphere and Mesosphere.

Yes and your image shows us that the stratosphere is lower than the troposphere and mesophere

Great work. Obviously you need an extra 5 minutes on Google to do research. The Stratosphere is placed in-between the Troposhpere and Mesosphere. Look it up. Even the image you provided with the layers, and subsequently the one I provided, shows that the Troposphere is below the Stratosphere. Not the other way around.

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So thank you for agreeing that they are not fighting in the stratosphere

Again. I never said they were from the artwork. What I said was they were supposed to be. The issue here is the art. In reality, according to the stories synopsis, they should be fighting in the Stratsophere. So clearly the artwork does not match the intended story. And if you're saying they are fighting in the Thermosphere or Exosphere you must agree that they are still fighting in the atmosphere. Thus they are not fighting in space, thus Goku cannot survive in space. So thanks for that.

[DanielSSJ]

Since Vegeta died in the planetary explosion in Resurrection F, but the weaker Freeza survived, I'd say no.

[oreos-splash]

Goku can breathe in space, but still needs to hold his breath under water - Logic in the DB universe

Seems like two different things to me.

Yeah, that ten second scene of Goku holding his breathe under water tells me Akira may give Goku God powers, but he won't let the Saiyan magically survive in space without air lol

A shame. I'd love to see a Goku battle in space