Why are people against Cell being solar system buster?

[AvatarReiko]

This indoubedlty one of the most debated DBZ topics. Why are people so opposed to it? Goku and Vegeta in the saiyan saga were capable of busting planets. Theses guys are dimensions apart from Cell, it is not even funny. Is Cell being a solar system buster really that hard to believe?

[oreos-splash]

I honestly believe it's because of a ton of versus threads that appeared online. There is so many comparisons between DC, Marvel, and Dbz, that so many people became nit picky about what was said in a comic. and they somehow believe that unless it was shown, the character is lying, even though there is no reason for the said character to lie in the first place. And it's just a comic.

Example: I create a stick figure called Bob, and he has the power to destroy the universe. I'll bet the moment Bob is in a versus.thread, someone will tell me that's not true because there was no feats involved.

okay. so i have him destroy a universe. now someone else comes along and states that proves nothing. They could claim universe my BOB destroyed either was much smaller, or much weaker.

Its true because I made him, but i now have to show it just to make everyone happy? unless the destruction of the universe is required to move the plot along, I wouldn't have Bob casually do it just to make the readers is see for themselves, that will be kind of like letting them tell me what to do, and I'm glad Akira didn't go so far as to have the characters destroy whole universes or cell take out a solar system just to prove a point to the fans that its fiction

[LuckyCat]

I believe it's because proceeding arcs in Dragonball had stronger villains like Buu and Beerus, but solar systems weren't being destroyed left and right. Of course, now that Super actually mentions Beerus destroying the universe unintentionally, it might be easier to argue that Cell could at least reach a solar system level of destruction if given enough time to prepare.

[Bullza]

Vegeta says he can destroy Earth - Doesn't - People accept that he could have.

Cell says he can destroy Solar System - Doesn't - Endless debates over whether he could or not.

As far as I see it the only reason people believe the former is because other characters later did destroy planets whereas nobody ever destroyed a Solar System so there was no proof that it could be done.

[fadeddreams5]

It's because of the Buu saga. As mentioned, stronger villains appeared, and none were shown with the ability to destroy a solar system with one blast. It just made people assume Cell was full of it.

Not to mention, Gohan's blast did not have any affects on anything. Not even a moon or rock destroyed. Is he that good at redirecting his attack? lol.

[ekrolo2]

Dragon Ball is weird when it comes to this stuff. Logically these guys regular Ki blasts should be able to destroy anything well beyond a planet yet when someone swats a blast away, the damage is negated a lot. Its like firing a missile that can level a whole city but if it goes off course it can only blow up a car at best.

[Sandubadear]

The Solar System is just a star, 8 planets and a few planetoids, I think it's possible that a SSJ2-tier to destroy it.

Vegeta says he can destroy Earth - Doesn't - People accept that he could have.

Vegeta destroys Arlia in the anime, so that might be why.

[Draconic]

I don't know. Of course, feats come over statements when arguing someone's power, but when the feats are not there, it leaves only the statement. And the best reasoning I have for him being able to destroy a solar system is an out-of-universe one. No writer who respects himself would just throw out lines like this around and are used pretty much as exposition.

[Lord Beerus]

I'll just repeat my definite view on this opinion:

If Toriyama writes for Cell to believe he is strong enough to destroy the Solar System in one blast, he can damn well do it. There have been crazier feats thrown around in Dragon Ball which have later turned out to be true. But Toriyama doesn't really focus so much on attention to detail, so there's every chance that Cell statement was hyperbole for the sole purpose of scaring the shit out of the cast.

[Cetra]

Cell does not do anything to make me doubt it, which is why I do not doubt it. Other than statements from other characters that fans take as definitely true.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Because a lot of people wanna nerf DBZ characters. Heck I see people say Roshi isn't a city buster because "destroying the moon was just a gag scene" I'm sorry but it's still a feet even if it was during the lighter days of dragonball.....and it was kinda serious too even if they made it a little funny with the reactions.

I'd even call cell a universe buster....yep. That's how I feel. I think the Z fighters don't get enough credit and the excuse that Goku can't blow up a galaxy because he never has is kind of lame, I mean WHY would Goku EVER do that?! XD

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

I don't get it either. If Toriyama says that Cell says he can, then he can.

[Khin]

I don't get it either. If Toriyama says that Cell says he can, then he can.

Exactly,every fictional characters are as strong as the creator wants them to be,If Akira Toriyama says that Yamcha can destroy the 12 Universes with his sneeze,then he can do it,wether it doesnt make sense or not.

[nickzambuto]

People get too caught up in "feats" over the character's actual capabilities. I like the example with Bob the stick figure; if an author creates a character with an intended level of strength, then that's how strong the character is. Since this is fiction, an author can have his character be as powerful as he wants, it means nothing.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Because *long, convoluted argument that stretches on for 50 threads with 500 pages each*

Seriously, if I never see this argument again it will be too soon.

[AvatarReiko]

Good responses here. So do any of you guys think that it might have been better had AT made one of the Z-senshu, say Piccolo, make the statment instead?

Piccolo: "His Ki...It's enoguh to blow away the solar system"

or would debaters still find away to argue against this?

[nickzambuto]

Good responses here. So do any of you guys think that it might have been better had AT made one of the Z-senshu, say Piccolo, make the statment instead?

Piccolo: "His Ki...It's enoguh to blow away the solar system"

or would debaters still find away to argue against this?

I don't think it would make a difference. Cell's exact sentence is about as clear-cut as you can get -- "I have gathered enough power to destroy the entire solar system!" If somebody isn't gonna roll with that, than, well, that's what those guidebooks specifically stating SSJ2 can destroy the solar system are for.

[DragonBallLove]

Destroying the solar system as in destroying Sol and therefore ending the system itself? SURE he can do.

Destroying the solar system as in creating a system-wide explosion that obliterates the very planets? No, sorry, I don't think he can.


Two very different things. Think about how different also are Vegeta destroying Arlia's core in the DBZ filler, Freezer destroying Vegeta in Bardock's and Freezer destroying Earth in FnF. Really, its not about the final effect, but how the feat is acomplished.

[Hellspawn28]

I don't believe Vegeta was going to blow up the Earth completely in the Saiyan saga. He would have destroy his space pod along with the Planet. He would have died in space since there won't be much time for him to breath or any food or water for him to use. Why would Vegeta destroy his only way to escape and go to Namek to become immortal. Vegeta need to be immortal so that he can kill Freeza and become a SSj. People say shit that they don't always mean when they get angry.

As for Cell destroying the solar system, I think it's a big debate because other characters feats never show that level of power. Kid Buu's death ball only blow up the Earth and nothing else. It was stronger then Cell's kamehameha since neither SSj2 Goku and SSj2 Vegeta was powerful enough to stop the attack. Both Goku and Vegeta where too scared of the attack. I believe post-Buu saga characters can blow up a solar system since Whis stated that Beerus can. Anything above Solar System busting is fan wank if you ask me. Goku's punches with Beerus seem like it would have destroy the universe with a chain reaction where it can destroy it over time, not raw power. DBZ characters are still below cosmic begins from Marvel or god like characters such as Unicron and Primus.

[Dbzk1999]

Anything above Solar System busting is fan wank if you ask me.

How? Beerus was able to nullify the energy that him and goku created (the one elder kaioshin states, for sure, will be the end) with 100% of his power