The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Lord Beerus]

Umm... what? You do know that the difference in power between SBG Goku and SSJG Goku is minimal at best. And the power of SSJG Goku is far above anything that Super Vegetto could ever dish out. And besides, Majin Boo regenration can literally stop working if he beaten very badly . SSJ3 Gotenks vs Super Boo is proof of this.

I don't think it was implied that the difference in power between SBG Goku and SSJG Goku is minimal, so what would be SSGSS multiplier if most people say here that SSGSS is not too far above SSJG?

I think Saiyan Beyond God is Goku that got pretty strong at Base, but not as strong as SSJG and then for him draw this power out, he needs to use SSGSS

Saiyan Beyond God Goku is literally the power of Super Saiyan God retained with Goku's base form. Beerus comments in Resurrection F that the difference in strength between SBG Goku and SSJG Goku is barely noticeable.

[Captain Space]

I don't think it was implied that the difference in power between SBG Goku and SSJG Goku is minimal, so what would be SSGSS multiplier if most people say here that SSGSS is not too far above SSJG?

I think Saiyan Beyond God is Goku that got pretty strong at Base, but not as strong as SSJG and then for him draw this power out, he needs to use SSGSS

In BoG Beerus says Goku didn't get much weaker when he reverted to base. His base in RF should be at least as strong as that. (I have it as SSJG 6, base in BoG 4, SSJ in BoG 5, base in RF 5, SSGSS 8.)

Super may be changing that with Goku reverting from SSJG straight to SSJ, so that version of events may leave room for his base to still be much, much weaker than SSJG, but as far as the movies go, there's not a huge difference or multiplier or whatever.

I know that probably would make no diffence against Vegetto, But my main question is:

How much would affect in Super Boo power having both SSJ3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan absorbed?

Well, Gotenks wasn't too far ahead of Super Buu so becoming Buutenks probably increased his power by a little more than 2x. The gap between Gohan and Super Buu was bigger than the gap between Buutenks and Gohan, so Gohan's closer to Buutenks.

So a hypothetical Buu-tenks-han would be...something like 4x base Super Buu's power at most, I guess? Which is maybe 25% to 50% stronger than Buuhan?

[Hugo Boss]

Saiyan Beyond God Goku x Super Boo-han

I guess you mean Goku's regular state from Freeza's movie. If so, I think he has a tough challenge against Majin Boo. He may lack the kind of advantage that could prevent Boo from regenerating himself as the fight progress though. I bet on Boo.

Umm... what? You do know that the difference in power between SBG Goku and SSJG Goku is minimal at best. And the power of SSJG Goku is far above anything that Super Vegetto could ever dish out. And besides, Majin Boo regenration can literally stop working if he beaten very badly . SSJ3 Gotenks vs Super Boo is proof of this.

We can't confirm if Boo really would be defeated by Gotenks' last unused attack. Boo did regenerate quite quickly after the pummel Gotenks gave to him. Besides, I don't see why regular Goku should be even remotely close to SSGSS. The difference between normal form and Super Saiyan is consistently significant to be called minimal. They belong to different dimensions. I suppose regular SS and SSG are the forms being comparable in DBZ: BoG and DBSuper.

[Angelus]

Kibito VS Androids Saga Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, Chiaotzu -- No Kienzan/Paralysis/Magic materialization/Instantaneous Movement

(Match starts with Tien shooting a barrage of Tribeams at Kibito, with Kibito not blocking or dodging, until Tien goes unconscious. Afterwards, the humans mob Kibito)

[Captain Space]

Besides, I don't see why regular Goku should be even remotely close to SSGSS.

Because Beerus explicitly said Goku's power "didn't drop that much" when he lost SSJG and reverted to base. And SSGSS isn't too far from SSJG, it's still significantly less than 100% Beerus' power (when SSJG was 60% of it). So, that's why.

The difference between normal form and Super Saiyan is consistently significant to be called minimal. They belong to different dimensions. I suppose regular SS and SSG are the forms being comparable in DBZ: BoG and DBSuper.

The difference between base and SSJ was indeed huge all throughout the series...until BoG when Goku gained god power and absorbed it, after which it was very definitely stated (and shown) to now be a much smaller gap.

[Lord Beerus]

Kibito VS Androids Saga Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha, Chiaotzu (Match starts with Tenshinhan shooting a barrage of Tribeams at Kibito, with Kibito not blocking or dodging, until Tenshinhan goes unconscious. Afterwards, the humans mob Kibito) -- No Kienzan/Paralysis/Magic materialization/Instantaneous Movement

Kibito quickly recovers from the barrage of Kikoho's from Tien and stomps the Earthlings.

[Hugo Boss]

Besides, I don't see why regular Goku should be even remotely close to SSGSS.

Because Beerus explicitly said Goku's power "didn't drop that much" when he lost SSJG and reverted to base. And SSGSS isn't too far from SSJG, it's still significantly less than 100% Beerus' power (when SSJG was 60% of it). So, that's why.

The difference between normal form and Super Saiyan is consistently significant to be called minimal. They belong to different dimensions. I suppose regular SS and SSG are the forms being comparable in DBZ: BoG and DBSuper.

The difference between base and SSJ was indeed huge all throughout the series...until BoG when Goku gained god power and absorbed it, after which it was very definitely stated (and shown) to now be a much smaller gap.

Base Goku being there during the battle is something that doesn't help to understand what Beerus implied to Goku, thus it shouldn't have been added in the first place. The apparent difference that you talk about is not only minimal but practically non-existent. If you watch the 13th episode of Dragon Ball Super, you will see Goku reverting directly to Super Saiyan and that is the form I believe Beerus is comparing to Super Saiyan God in the movie as well.

[nickzambuto]

Babidi's mind control runs the gauntlet. Assuming each of these characters has some evil in their hearts, who does he fail to control?

• 1. Master Roshi
  2. Freeza
  3. Future Trunks
  4. Tenshinhan
  5. Piccolo
  6. Omega Shenron
  7. Krillin
  8. Yamcha
  9. Beerus

Note: List is not in any particular order, just a list of characters who I think would be interesting to see their reactions. Just list who would be controlled and who wouldn't.

[Khin]

Babidi's mind control runs the gauntlet. Assuming each of these characters has some evil in their hearts, who does he fail to control?

• 1. Master Roshi
  2. Freeza
  3. Future Trunks
  4. Tenshinhan
  5. Piccolo
  6. Omega Shenron
  7. Krillin
  8. Yamcha
  9. Beerus

Note: List is not in any particular order, just a list of characters who I think would be interesting to see their reactions. Just list who would be controlled and who wouldn't.

Babidi managed to control Dabra who is stronger than anyone in this list except for Omega and Beerus,He only failed to control Vegeta because of his ''Pride''.I'd say he controlls everyone,But if we count Xenoverse as an official source,even Demigra's magic who is superior to Babidi's cant control Beerus and Goku because they have ''Godly'' ki,So everyone on this list got controlled except for Beerus.

[nickzambuto]

Babidi's mind control runs the gauntlet. Assuming each of these characters has some evil in their hearts, who does he fail to control?

• 1. Master Roshi
  2. Freeza
  3. Future Trunks
  4. Tenshinhan
  5. Piccolo
  6. Omega Shenron
  7. Krillin
  8. Yamcha
  9. Beerus

Note: List is not in any particular order, just a list of characters who I think would be interesting to see their reactions. Just list who would be controlled and who wouldn't.

Babidi managed to control Dabra who is stronger than anyone in this list except for Omega and Beerus,He only failed to control Vegeta because of his ''Pride''.I'd say he controlls everyone,But if we count Xenoverse as an official source,even Demigra's magic who is superior to Babidi's cant control Beerus and Goku because they have ''Godly'' ki,So everyone on this list got controlled except for Beerus.

Don't you think you're kind of underselling everybody? Everything isn't about strength, Vegeta had too much willpower to be controlled. So the question is, do these characters also have enough willpower?

[Battousai]

Babidi's mind control runs the gauntlet. Assuming each of these characters has some evil in their hearts, who does he fail to control?

• 1. Master Roshi
  2. Freeza
  3. Future Trunks
  4. Tenshinhan
  5. Piccolo
  6. Omega Shenron
  7. Krillin
  8. Yamcha
  9. Beerus

Note: List is not in any particular order, just a list of characters who I think would be interesting to see their reactions. Just list who would be controlled and who wouldn't.

Beerus and Piccolo wouldn't be mind controlled.

[Captain Space]

Base Goku being there during the battle is something that doesn't help to understand what Beerus implied to Goku, thus it shouldn't have been added in the first place. The apparent difference that you talk about is not only minimal but practically non-existent. If you watch the 13th episode of Dragon Ball Super, you will see Goku reverting directly to Super Saiyan and that is the form I believe Beerus is comparing to Super Saiyan God in the movie as well.

It's certainly simpler in the show and helps keep a sizeable gap between base and SSJ. This is a good thing. But it only applies to the Super version, which is an entirely different sequence of events to the movie.

In the movie I do think he was talking about Goku's base form, since:

1. Goku was able to land multiple good hits on Beerus in base. If the difference between them was as huge as the difference between base and SSJ, even with clever use of Shunkan-Idou, that definitely wouldn't have happened.
2. Beerus says words to the effect of "when you lost SSJG, your power didn't go down much", and "when Goku lost SSJG" he reverted to base, for a significant amount of time.
3. Goku wasn't conscious of any of his form changes, up or down--he didn't realise he wasn't in SSJG anymore until Beerus pointed it out to him. This means he didn't notice losing SSJG or going SSJ. If the power difference was as huge as the normal difference between base and SSJ, I think it'd be impossible not to notice.

Now, like I said, this only applies to the movie. In Super, he reverts straight to SSJ, and that's where he basically still has all of SSJG's power. So it's reasonable to assume that his base is still as proportionally weak compared to SSJ as it used to be...but only in the Super version of events.

[Khin]

Babidi's mind control runs the gauntlet. Assuming each of these characters has some evil in their hearts, who does he fail to control?

• 1. Master Roshi
  2. Freeza
  3. Future Trunks
  4. Tenshinhan
  5. Piccolo
  6. Omega Shenron
  7. Krillin
  8. Yamcha
  9. Beerus

Note: List is not in any particular order, just a list of characters who I think would be interesting to see their reactions. Just list who would be controlled and who wouldn't.

Babidi managed to control Dabra who is stronger than anyone in this list except for Omega and Beerus,He only failed to control Vegeta because of his ''Pride''.I'd say he controlls everyone,But if we count Xenoverse as an official source,even Demigra's magic who is superior to Babidi's cant control Beerus and Goku because they have ''Godly'' ki,So everyone on this list got controlled except for Beerus.

Don't you think you're kind of underselling everybody? Everything isn't about strength, Vegeta had too much willpower to be controlled. So the question is, do these characters also have enough willpower?

Maybe Piccolo and Roshi but i dont see Kuririn,Ten and Yamcha and the others having enough ''willpower''.

[Captain Space]

Maybe Piccolo and Roshi but i dont see Kuririn,Ten and Yamcha and the others having enough ''willpower''.

Tenshinhan's stand against Cell demonstrates the same kind of resolve as Roshi's against Piccolo, doesn't it? (Though Ten might have more evil in his heart for Babidi to work with, on the other hand.)

[Noah]

New Matches:

- Android 17 x Tapion

- Akumman (Devilmite Beam) x Perfect Cell

- Hirudegarn x Kid Boo

- Third Form Freeza (RoF) x Hirudegarn


- Super Boogetto (SSJ3 Vegetto absorbed) x Beerus


Note: Plus Ultimate Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks and Piccolo inside him

[Captain Space]

- Akumman (Devilmite Beam) x Perfect Cell

- Hirudegarn x Kid Boo

- Super Boogetto (SSJ3 Vegetto absorbed) x Beerus

Note: Plus Ultimate Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks and Piccolo inside him

-Assuming you mean "could Cell survive a hit from the Beam", I think he'd die.

-Hirudegarn swatted mystic Gohan and could only be fought by haxed Toei Goku. It trashes regular Kid Buu. Haxed Toei Kid Buu beats it though.

-So Super Buu plus Gohan plus Gotenks plus Piccolo is probably at most, what, one or two times Super Vegetto's power (if it's even close)? So this is basically SSJ3 Vegetto with Buu's abilities plus a little bit extra power vs. Beerus.

And Beerus has 10 times the power available to him that he would've been able to beat Vegetto alone with. So I'm gonna say Beerus wins with ridiculous ease.

[nickzambuto]

Babidi's mind control runs the gauntlet. Assuming each of these characters has some evil in their hearts, who does he fail to control?

• 1. Master Roshi
  2. Freeza
  3. Future Trunks
  4. Tenshinhan
  5. Piccolo
  6. Omega Shenron
  7. Krillin
  8. Yamcha
  9. Beerus

Note: List is not in any particular order, just a list of characters who I think would be interesting to see their reactions. Just list who would be controlled and who wouldn't.

Talk about my interesting question dammit.

[Captain Space]

Talk about my interesting question dammit.

We did.

[Angelus]

New Matches:

- Android 17 x Tapion

- Akumman (Devilmite Beam) x Perfect Cell

- Hirudegarn x Kid Boo

- Third Form Freeza (RoF) x Hirudegarn


- Super Boogetto (SSJ3 Vegetto absorbed) x Beerus


Note: Plus Ultimate Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks and Piccolo inside him

Cell doesn't have a human heart that Akkuman can explode. Cell has a different physiology.

[Noah]

And Beerus has 10 times the power available to him that he would've been able to beat Vegetto alone with. So I'm gonna say Beerus wins with ridiculous ease.

I was just wondering if Majin Boo broken regeneration could have some effect in this battle and him having absorbed full power Vegetto, Gohan, Gotenks and Piccolo I wouldn't say that is "plus a little bit extra power" Beerus one shotted SSJ3 Goku (that was no match for Super Boo) without effort using less than 1% of his full power... How much power would Beerus need to defeat this Ultimate Boo?


New matches:

Note: Since Toriyama stated that the androids could get stronger if they train, what if:

- Android 17 (1 day spent on RoSaT) x Perfect Cell

- Android 18 (1 day spent on RoSaT) x SSJ Goku (Cell Games)

- Android 17 (2 days spent on RoSaT) x SSJ2 Gohan (Boo Arc)

- Android 18 (2 days spent on RoSaT) x SSJ Vegeta (Boo Arc)