Did Goku turn into a SSJ2 in the beam struggle against Broly

[AvatarReiko]

A lot of debaters say that Goku turned in a SSJ2 in the final push.

[KKSwag]

Goku didn't go Super Saiyan 2 during the beam struggle. If he did, his hair would have become spikier and he would have had a lightening aura. Goten, Gohan, and Goku were all Super Saiyans during the beam struggle.

[Lord Beerus]

Goku didn't become a Super Saiyan 2 in the beat struggle against Broly.

[Kaboom]

The best answer is "maybe." Even if Goku's Super Saiyan 2 hadn't made its debut in the main story yet, it'd be fairly safe to assume that he would have it, and it's not beyond Toei to guess what someone will look like with a new form.. See "Super Saiyan" Goku against Slug.

Basically if you, in a general sense, want to assume Goku went Super Saiyan 2 during that final push for the sake of your own theories or power level lists or whatever, then more power to you. As far as I'm aware, there's nothing specifically saying that he did or didn't.

[Darkprince410]

There's no indicator that he did. What we see in the scene is the typical swept back look that his hair has whenever he's firing a Kamehameha, which always pulls a few of the bigger "chunks" of hair away from his forehead.

Spoiler:

While timeline wise, it'd be safe to say he was capable of it, since the events of movie 10 are just about a month before the 25th Budoukai, given that the release date of the movie was only about a month after the chapter where Goku's definitive Ssj2 design is first shown (when he starts the fight with Vegeta), chances are it probably wasn't introduced into the movie.

[Friezacooler]

If not he might have still absorbed his ssj2 power within his ssj1 form seem with the other saiyan's.

[Hellspawn28]

It depends if you think Goku was there or not like what happen with the beam struggle against Gohan and Cell.

[oreos-splash]

Sadly no. I would have loved it if Goku did become ssj2 though :/

[Khin]

He never turned SSJ2 because he were never there to begin with,He was just assisting both of the kids through mind like how he assisted Gohan against Cell,Thats what i think.

[TKB21]

There's no indicator that he did. What we see in the scene is the typical swept back look that his hair has whenever he's firing a Kamehameha, which always pulls a few of the bigger "chunks" of hair away from his forehead.

Spoiler:

While timeline wise, it'd be safe to say he was capable of it, since the events of movie 10 are just about a month before the 25th Budoukai, given that the release date of the movie was only about a month after the chapter where Goku's definitive Ssj2 design is first shown (when he starts the fight with Vegeta), chances are it probably wasn't introduced into the movie.

If we were to entertain this idea would we have to assume that it only took a month following this transformation to attain SS3?

[Darkprince410]

Well, I'm simply saying it's a situation of, by the time that Toei had potentially learned of Goku reaching Super Saiya-jin 2, it was already too late for them to add that into the movie. It's the same general reason that the Super Saiya-jin appearance Goku had in movie 4 didn't match his appearance when he first transformed during his fight with Freeza, because Toei didn't have Toriyama's design for the Ssj appearance when they made the movie, so they went with their own take on things.

[oreos-splash]

Well, I'm simply saying it's a situation of, by the time that Toei had potentially learned of Goku reaching Super Saiya-jin 2, it was already too late for them to add that into the movie. It's the same general reason that the Super Saiya-jin appearance Goku had in movie 4 didn't match his appearance when he first transformed during his fight with Freeza, because Toei didn't have Toriyama's design for the Ssj appearance when they made the movie, so they went with their own take on things.

i guess. its a shame they didnt correct it with a blue ray version showing Goku and Gohan in ssj2 form. Or a kai version

[Darkprince410]

Well, I'm simply saying it's a situation of, by the time that Toei had potentially learned of Goku reaching Super Saiya-jin 2, it was already too late for them to add that into the movie. It's the same general reason that the Super Saiya-jin appearance Goku had in movie 4 didn't match his appearance when he first transformed during his fight with Freeza, because Toei didn't have Toriyama's design for the Ssj appearance when they made the movie, so they went with their own take on things.

i guess. its a shame they didnt correct it with a blue ray version showing Goku and Gohan in ssj2 form. Or a kai version

There's no real reason they'd need to do it, since it's not even definitively certain whether he was actually contributing or not.

[Hellspawn28]

How do we still know if Goku was there or not in Movie 10? Is it any different from the end of the Cell games with the beam struggle against Cell and Gohan?

[oreos-splash]

Well, I'm simply saying it's a situation of, by the time that Toei had potentially learned of Goku reaching Super Saiya-jin 2, it was already too late for them to add that into the movie. It's the same general reason that the Super Saiya-jin appearance Goku had in movie 4 didn't match his appearance when he first transformed during his fight with Freeza, because Toei didn't have Toriyama's design for the Ssj appearance when they made the movie, so they went with their own take on things.

i guess. its a shame they didnt correct it with a blue ray version showing Goku and Gohan in ssj2 form. Or a kai version

There's no real reason they'd need to do it, since it's not even definitively certain whether he was actually contributing or not.

I know, I personally believe they were both in ssj. But i really really wanted them to be in ssj2, and I was sort of hoping that was their intention and they just goofed xD

But i doubt it

How do we still know if Goku was there or not in Movie 10? Is it any different from the end of the Cell games with the beam struggle against Cell and Gohan?

In the dub, while Goten and Gohan are struggling against the beam, Goten is thinking he wished his dad were here. I guess.bevause its a movie Shenron granted it, but sort of half-done it so Goku's spirit was there to assist in the beam struggle. We even see them strady push it back.

Now whether Goku as a t ttc s see ra rrrda spirit in this movie made his blast weaker or not I'm not sure,

[Son_Gohan]

They do the same thing when Goku is training with Gohan in the RoSaT...



...and this is obviously long before Goku was ever established to have surpassed Super Saiyan and even before Gohan's SSJ2 debut in the manga.

So it is not even a question, in my opinion, it's only coincidental.

[MangaReader123]

Considering Broly is beyond any comprehension of a Normal SSJ, and Gohan was likely SSJ2. It would make the most sense for him to be a SSJ2. I don't see 3 regular SSJ's being able to defeat someone in a beam struggle who was able to fairly easily beat someone surpassing the SSJ Wall. Though, Goku didnt look like a SSJ2 for me

[dbzfan7]

Here's the images that spark the debate.

Notice how despite Goku and Goten having the same SSJ hair style, Goku's is different. Not saying that's conclusive evidence of SSJ2, but that's where I see a lot of people getting the idea from.

Spoiler:

[Darkprince410]

Considering Broly is beyond any comprehension of a Normal SSJ, and Gohan was likely SSJ2. It would make the most sense for him to be a SSJ2. I don't see 3 regular SSJ's being able to defeat someone in a beam struggle who was able to fairly easily beat someone surpassing the SSJ Wall. Though, Goku didnt look like a SSJ2 for me

Gohan's hair actually changes its during the actual Kamehameha to where he has more strands over his head, indicative of his regular Ssj appearance at the time of the movie.

Notice how despite Goku and Goten having the same SSJ hair style, Goku's is different. Not saying that's conclusive evidence of SSJ2, but that's where I see a lot of people getting the idea from.

Problem with those though is that even those don't fit Goku's Ssj2 hair style. Both in the manga and anime, Goku's depicted with about three "spikes" of hair over his forehead in some manner.

Spoiler:

He's just got the one large strand over his forehead in those earlier pictures, whereas the confirmed Ssj2 in the anime and manga from what I linked show the additional spikes along the sides near his ears.

[AvatarReiko]

What I do not get is, if we was SSJ2, why would toei make it so inconcpicious? Whenever are character transform, they usually make a specticle of it, especially if it is new form. Here, you literally have to pause it. And even then, it is not definitive. Besides,had Goku's SSJ2 form even been revealed in the anime/manga yet?