Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[Captain Space]

I'm not really good with power levels, but I do (think I might) have a good feel for the "god scale" (you know, the thing where Beerus is 10 and Whis is 15, etc.)

So, I thought I'd just do a quick comparison of how Battle of Gods differs from Super in terms of the Goku vs. Beerus fight (in my opinion; this has been debated a bit recently on another thread and feel free to correct any mistakes or disagree on any points, of course).

Battle of Gods

Goku starts out using 80% of his Super Saiyan God powers, and Beerus is using something less than 70% but a bit above Goku (I tend to think of this as about half his full power). Later in the fight, Goku briefly goes to full power, meanwhile Beerus goes up to 70% and maintains a slight lead. Goku then drops down to base, but absorbs his god-power and is still not too far behind and Beerus does say he didn't get much weaker by it. He then powers up to SSJ, but by the way his brief 'snap' back into SSJG later is presented, it's pretty clear he's still not quite up to where he was in Super Saiyan God form.

So, all told, that gives us something like:

Beerus (start of fight): 5
SSJG Goku (80%): 4.8
SSJG Goku (100%): 6
Beerus (70%): 7
Base Godku: 4
SSJ Godku: 5

Dragon Ball Super

The sequence of events is very different here. Goku spends a lot of the fight discovering higher and higher heights he can climb to...Beerus, meanwhile, isn't going all-out except for the brief moment he uses 100% to cancel out their attacks and prevent the universe's destruction. It seems reasonable to assume the same 6/10 and 70% stuff from BoG applies, though I will of course adjust this if later evidence in Super contradicts any of that, which it well might. The other main difference here being that Beerus says Goku didn't lose any power when he reverted to SSJ, and also that Goku went straight from SSJG to SSJ, without fighting in base for a bit. This leaves room for the gap between base and SSJ to remain as large as ever. So we end up with:

SSJG Goku (early parts of the fight): Varying a lot, less than 6
SSJG Goku (in full swing): 6
Beerus (vs. full-power SSJG Goku): 7
Beerus (100%): 10
SSJ Godku: 6
Base Godku (if you wanna use the commonly-held x50 thing which I'm still not sure about): 0.12 (Wait, does this mean that, considering that Beerus' power finishing Vegeta would be a 1 on this scale...according to a x50 multiplier, Rageta >>> Base Godku in Super? XD)

[ZombieVito]

Base Godku (if you wanna use the commonly-held x50 thing which I'm still not sure about): 0.12 (Wait, does this mean that, considering that Beerus' power finishing Vegeta would be a 1 on this scale...according to a x50 multiplier, Rageta >>> Base Godku in Super? XD)

I see no problem with this and it's actually what I'm sticking with at the moment.

[LightBing]

Based on this:

Spoiler:

Minute: 16
Context: after the universe once again rather conspicuously fails to end
Beerus: “I nullified all the energy that existed here.”
Goku: “You can…do that?”
Beerus: “Only if I put forth 100% of my power.”
Goku: “100%? Ah! So you still hadn’t gone all-out!? I can’t believe it! You were still hidin’ some power?”
Beerus: “Well, it’d look bad, wouldn’t it? I’m a god. To use my full power against a Saiyan…I’d rather die than make a fool of myself like that…Or so I had thought, anyway. But I don’t want to lose this fight, no matter what! I don’t care how bad or how stupid I look! I’ll beat the tar out of you and prove that I’m overwhelmingly stronger!”

Minute: 18
Context: As Goku and Beerus punch each other a lot
Goku: “Beerus-sama, you really are incredible! The power of your punches is completely different than what it was five minutes ago!
Beerus: “Your power’s risen too, hasn’t it?”
*more fighting*
Beerus: “This is 100%!”
Goku: “I’m at 100% too!”

SSJ Godku and SSJG in Super should be close to Beerus 100%. Something like Beerus 10 and SSJ God Goku 9. Also I think it makes no sense to apply multipliers to base Godku, if FnF is anything to go by it certainly isn't anything that big. Even if the hair is blue, Bluper is the same as SSJ just with god power.

[ZombieVito]

Episode 14 synopsis already confirmed Beerus is not at 100%.

[LightBing]

Episode 14 synopsis already confirmed Beerus is not at 100%.

Guess it's just a way to hype Beerus , "He's at 100% and Goku says he's super strong!"Cute to next episode:"Actually I wasn't at 100%", rolls non-nonchalantly Beerus while licking his paw. Audience "Oh my god! He's still stronger?!".

[Khin]

Just finished making my own Power Level List

Saiyan Saga

Spoiler:

Start of Z

Goku:
w/ weights--------334
w/o wights--------416
Super Kamehameha--910

Piccolo:
w/ weights----322
w/o weights---408
Makanpossapo--1,330

Raditz:
-1,500

Gohan:
Normal--1
Enraged-1,307

Arrival of the Saiyans

Mr.Popo:
-1,030

Kaio-sama:
-3,500

Yajirobe:
-970

Yamcha:
-1,480

Kuririn:
-1,770

Chaozu:
-610

Gohan:
-2,800

Piccolo:
-3,500

Saibamans:
-1,200

Nappa:
-4,000

Goku:
Initial----5,000
Full Power-8,000
Kaioken----16,000

Vegeta:
-18,000


Goku vs. Vegeta

Goku:
Base------8,000
Kaioken---16,000
Kaiokenx3-24,000
Kaiokenx4-32,000
Weakened-50

Vegeta:
Base---------------18,000
Weakened--------10,000
Oozaru------------100,000
Weakened Again-5,000
End of Battle-----100

Gohan:
Base---------------2,800
Weakened--------1,000
Oozaru------------10,000


Kuririn:
----------------1,770
Genki Dama--10,000
End of Battle-150

Freeza Saga

Spoiler:

Start of Namek Saga

Vegeta:
-24,000

Kewi:
-18,000

Dodoria:
-22,000

Zarbon:
-23,000


Zarbon vs. Vegeta

Vegeta:
-24,000

Zarbon:
-23,000
Monster-28,000


Zarbon vs. Vegeta - Part 2

Vegeta:
-30,000

Zarbon:
-----------22,000
Monster--28,000

Kuririn:
-13,000

Ginyu Force Saga

Gohan:
-14,000

Kuririn:
-13,000

Guldo:
-10,000

Vegeta:
-30,000

Recoome:
-40,000


Arrival of Goku

Goku:
Surpressed-5,000
Burst-------60,000
Full Power-90,000

Recoome:
-40,000

Burtur:
-40,000

Jiece:
-40,000

Goku vs. Captain Ginyu

Ginyu:
Initial----80,000
Full Power-120,000

Goku:
Base-----90,000
Kaioken-180,000

Nail:
-42,000

Goku is Ginyu and Ginyu is Goku

Goku(Ginyu's Body):
-2,500

Ginyu(Goku's Body):
-23,000

Kuririn:
-20,000

Gohan:
-25,000

Jiece:
-40,000

Vegeta:
-200,000

Freeza Arrives

Vegeta:
-------------200,000
Full Power-250,000

Freeza(1rst Form):
Initial----350,000
Full Power-530,000

Kuririn:
-75,000

Gohan:
-200,000

Piccolo:
Base--------100,000
Nail Fused-1,000,000


Freeza Tranforms

Freeza(2nd Form):
-1,000,000

Gohan:
-200,000
Enraged-800,000


Piccolo Arrives

Gohan:
-300,000

Freeza(2nd Form):
-1,000,000

Piccolo:
-1,000,000

2nd Form Freeza vs. Piccolo

Freeza(2nd Form):
Initial------1,000,000
Full Power-1,200,000

Piccolo:
Initial---------1,000,000
W/o weights-1,400,000

Freeza's 3rd Transformation

Freeza(3rd Form):
-2,400,000

Piccolo:
-1,400,000

Gohan:
Base-----300,000
Enraged-2,400,000

Freeza's Final Tranformation

Freeza(Final Form):
-5,000,000

Vegeta:
-2,500,000

Goku Arrives

Goku:
-3,000,000

Goku vs. Freeza

Goku:
Base-------3,000,000
Kaioken----6,000,000
Kaiokenx10-30,000,000
Kaiokenx20-60,000,000
Genki Dama-75,000,000

Freeza:
10%-12,000,000
50%-60,000,000

Super Saiyan Goku vs. Freeza

Freeza:
50%--------60,000,000
70%--------84,000,000
Full Power-120,000,000

Super Saiyan Goku:
-150,000,000

End of the Battle

Freeza:
Cutted---------10,000
Goku's Energy-1,000,000

Future Trunks Saga

Spoiler:

Beginning

King Cold:
-100,000,000

Mecha Freeza:
-160,000,000

Freeza and King Cold Arrives

Chaozu:
-25,000

Yamcha:
-50,000

Tenshinhan:
-90,000

Kuririn:
-150,000

Gohan:
-400,000

Piccolo:
-3,250,000

Vegeta:
-3,500,000

King Cold:
-100,000,000

Mecha Freeza:
-160,000,000

Future Trunks:
Base-4,500,000
SSJ--225,000,000

Goku:
Base-5,000,000
SSJ--250,000,000

Android Saga

Spoiler:

Beginning

Android 19:
-20,000,000

Dr.Gero:
-25,000,000

Yamcha:
-80,000

Tenshinhan:
-150,000

Kuririn:
-300,000

Gohan:
-8,000,000

Android 19 vs. Goku

Goku:
Base-10,000,000
SSJ--500,000,000
Sick-300,000,000 and Dropping

Android 19:
Pre Absorption------------20,000,000
Goku's Energy Absorbed-100,000,000

Vegeta Arrives

Vegeta:
Base-10,500,000
SSJ---525,000,000
Worn-300,000,000

Android 19:
Goku's Energy Absorbed---100,000,000
Vegeta's Energy Absorbed-250,000,000

Android 20 vs. Piccolo

Dr.Gero:
Pre Absorption--------------25,000,000
Vegeta's Blast Absorbed----50,000,000
Piccolo's Energy Absorbed-51,000,000

Vegeta:
SSJ-525,000,000

Piccolo:
Surpressed-1,000,000
Full Power-200,000,000

The activation of 17,18 and 16

Future Trunks:
Base-8,000,000
SSJ--400,000,000

Vegeta:
Base-10,500,000
SSJ--525,000,000

Piccolo:
-200,000,000

Android 18:
-600,000,000

Android 17:
-625,000,000

Cell Saga

Spoiler:

Beginning

Piccolo:
-500,000,000

Imperfect Cell:

-450,000,000

Android 17 vs. Piccolo

Piccolo:
-500,000,000
Full Power-625,000,000

Android 17:
-625,000,000

Imperfect Cell Arrives

Piccolo:
Tired-----------580,000,000
Light Grenade---650,000,000

Android 17:
-625,000,000

Imperfect Cell:
-725,000,000

Imperfect Cell vs. Android 16

Android 16:
-725,000,000

Imperfect Cell:
-725,000,000

Tenshinhan vs. Semi Perfect Cell

Semi Perfect Cell:
-1,000,000,000

Tenshinhan:
Base----------150,000
Shin Kikoho-850,000,000

Vegeta vs. Semi Perfect Cell

Semi Perfect Cell
-1,000,000,000

Vegeta:
Base----------15,000,000
SSJ-----------750,000,000
2nd Grade SSJ-1,125,000,000

Future Trunks:
Base----------13,000,000
SSJ-----------650,000,000

Perfect Cell vs. Vegeta and Trunks

Vegeta:
2nd Grade SSJ-1,125,000,000

Future Trunks:
2nd Grade SSJ-1,125,000,000
3rd Grade SSJ-1,500,000,000

Perfect Cell:
Surpressed-1,250,000

Cell vs. Goku

Goku:
Base-30,000,000
MSSJ-1,500,000,000

Perfect Cell:
-1,600,000,000

Cell vs. Gohan

Gohan:
Base-40,000,000
MSSJ-2,000,000,000

Perfect Cell:
-2,250,000

Z Fighters vs. Cell Jrs.

Yamcha:
-85,000

Tenshinhan:
-200,000

Kuririn:
-500,000

Piccolo:
-1,100,000,000

Future Trunks:
Base---24,000,000
MSSJ---1,200,000,000

Vegeta:
Base---24,000,000
MSSJ---1,200,000,000

Goku:
Tired-1,000,000,000 and Dropping

Cell Jrs.:
-1,250,000,000

Cell Jrs. vs. Gohan:

Cell Jrs.:
-1,250,000,000

Gohan:
MSSJ---------2,000,000,000
SSJ2---------4,000,000,000
Enraged SSJ2-6,000,000,000

Cell vs. Gohan

Perfect Cell:
-1,800,000,000
Full Power-3,000,000

Gohan:
Enraged SSJ2-6,000,000,000

Clash of Kamehamehas

Super Perfect Cell:
Kamehameha--4,000,000
Full Power--6,000,000,000

Gohan:
Enraged SSJ2-6,000,000,000
Injured------4,000,000

Future Trunks Returns to his timeline

Future Android 18:
-500,000,000

Future Android 17:
-525,000,000

Future Trunks:
Base-24,000,000
MSSJ-1,200,000,000

Three Years After

Future Imperfect Cell:
-450,000,000

Future Trunks:
Base-30,000,000
MSSJ--1,500,000,000

Buu Saga

Spoiler:

Beginning

Videl:
-7.2

Gohan:
Base-40,000,000
SSJ--2,000,000,000

Goten:
Base-20,000,000
SSJ--1,000,000,000

25th World Martial Arts Tournament

Killa:
-5.8

Punta:
-6.2

Jewel:
-6.8

Mr.Satan:
-7.0

Videl:
-7.5

Majin Spopovich:
-8.6

Majin Yamu:
-8.6

Gohan:
Base-42,000,000
SSJ--2,100,000,000
SSJ2-4,200,000,000

Android 18:
-650,000,000

Goten:
Base-23,000,000
SSJ--1,125,000,000

Trunks:
Base-25,500,000
SSJ--1,250,000,000

Chasing Spopivich and Yamu

Kuririn:
-600,000

Kibito:
-40,000,000

Piccolo:
-1,200,000,000

Kaioshin:
-1,500,000,000

Battle on Babidi's Spaceship

Pui Pui:
-100,000

Vegeta:
Base-50,000,000

Yakon:
-60,000,000

Goku:
Base-70,000,000
MSSJ-3,500,000,000
SSJ2 Burst-6,000,000,000

Gohan:
Base-42,000,000
MSSJ-2,100,000,000

Dabra:
-3,000,000,000

Majin Vegeta vs. Goku

Goku:
Base-70,000,000
MSSJ-3,500,000,000
SSJ2-7,000,000,000

Majin Vegeta:
Base-70,000,000
SSJ--3,500,000,000
SSJ2-7,000,000,000

Majin Buu is Hatched

Gohan:
SSJ--2,100,000,000
SSJ2-4,200,000,000

Dabra:
-3,000,000,000

Majin Buu:
Initial----2,500,000,000
Full Power-25,000,000,000

Majin Vegeta:
SSJ2-----------7,000,000,000
Suicide Attack-30,000,000,000

The Z Sword and Fusion Training

Gohan:
Base-50,000,000
SSJ--2,500,000,000
SSJ2-5,000,000,000

Goten:
Base-23,000,000
SSJ2-1,115,000,000

Trunks:
Base-25,500,000
SSJ2-1,250,000,000

Piccolo:
-1,200,000,000

Gotenks is Born

Piccolo:
-1,200,000,000

Goten:
Base-30,000,000
SSJ--1,500,000,000

Trunks:
Base-32,000,000
SSJ--1,600,000,000

Majin Buu:
-25,000,000,000

Gotenks:
Base-600,000,000
SSJ--30,000,000,000

Super Buu Saga

Good Buu:
-10,000,000,000

Grey Buu:
-15,000,000,000

Super Buu:
-250,000,000,000

Battle with Super Buu

Super Buu:
-250,000,000,000

Goten:
Base-35,000,000
SSJ--1,750,000,000

Trunks:
Base-35,000,000
SSJ--1,750,000,000

Gotenks:
Base-700,000,000
SSJ--35,000,000,000
SSJ2-72,000,000,000
SSJ3-280,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan:
-400,000,000,000

Battle with Buutenks,Buuccolo and Buuhan

Buutenks:
-530,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan:
-400,000,000,000

Buccolo:
-251,270,000,000

Goku:
SSJ2-7,000,000,000

Vegeta:
SSJ2-7,000,000,000

Buuhan:
-651,270,000,000

The Potara Warrior Vegetto

Buuhan:
-651,270,000,000

Vegetto:
Base-35,000,000,000
SSJ--1,750,000,000,000

The Battle on Majin Buu's Body and the Return of the Original Majin

Goku:
SSJ2-7,000,000,000

Vegeta:
SSJ2-7,000,000,000

Hypothetical Gogeta:
Base-1,400,000,000
SSJ--70,000,000,000
SSJ2-140,000,000,000
SSJ3-560,000,000,000

Super Buu:
-250,000,000,000

Buff Buu:
-300,000,000,000

Kid Buu:
-26,000,000,000

Kaioshin's Flashback

East Kaioshin:
-1,200,000,000

West Kaioshin:
-1,300,000,000

North Kaioshin:
-1,500,000,000

South Kaioshin:
-4,000,000,000

Kid Buu:
-26,000,000,000

Buff Buu:
-300,000,000,000

Dai Kaioshin:
-2,000,000,000

Fat Buu:
-25,000,000,000

The Battle for the Sake of the Universe

Mr.Satan:
-7

Mr.Buu:
-10,000,000,000

Vegeta:
Base-70,000,000
MSSJ-3,500,000,000
SSJ2-7,000,000,000

Goku:
Base-70,000,000
MSSJ-3,500,000,000
SSJ2-7,000,000,000
SSJ3-28,000,000,000

Kid Buu:
-26,000,000,000

Genki Dama:
-100,000,000,000

Battle of Gods Saga

Spoiler:

Showdown on Kaio's Planet

Goku:
Base-80,000,000
SSJ--4,000,000,000
SSJ2-8,000,000,000
SSJ3-32,000,000,000

Freeza:
-120,000,000

Hypothetical Vegetto:
Base-40,000,000,000
SSJ--2,000,000,000,000
SSJ2-4,000,000,000,000
SSJ3-16,000,000,000,000

Beerus:
Initial-----------2,000,000,000,000
Goku's Prediction-20,000,000,000,000

The Heart Pounding Birthday Party

Tenshinhan:
-500,000

Kuririn:
-560,000

Android 18:
-650,000,000

Piccolo:
-1,300,000,000

Goten:
Base-40,000,000
SSJ--2,000,000,000

Trunks:
Base-40,000,000
SSJ--2,000,000,000

Mr.Buu:
-10,000,000,000

Gotenks:
Base-800,000,000
SSJ--40,000,000,000
SSJ2-80,000,000,000
SSJ3-320,000,000,000

Gohan:
Base-----50,000,000
SSJ------2,500,000,000
Ultimate-400,000,000,000

Vegeta:
Base-------80,000,000
SSJ--------4,000,000,000
SSJ2-------8,000,000,000
Enraged----2,500,000,000,000
Galick Gun-5,000,000,000,000

Beerus:
Initial-2,000,000,000,000
10%-----10,000,000,000,000

God of Destruction vs. Super Saiyan God

Super Saiyan God Goku:
Episode 10-20,000,000,000,000
Episode 11-40,000,000,000,000
Episode 12-50,000,000,000,000
Full Power-60,000,000,000,000
Base-------30,000,000,000,000
SSJ--------54,000,000,000,000

Beerus:
Episode 10-25,000,000,000,000
Episode 11-45,000,000,000,000
Episode 12-50,000,000,000,000
Episode 13-70,000,000,000,000
Full Power-100,000,000,000,000

[ZombieVito]

Ozaru Gohan is way too high IMO.
I would bump Monster Zarbon a bit. Vegeta needed to cheat to beat him.
Kuririn in no way seemed weaker than Ginyu [In Goku's body]. I would bump him.
Weighted Piccolo was stated to be a bit stronger while fighting Freeza.
Mecha Freeza, SSJ Trunks and SSJ Goku in the Mecha arc are way too high and it pretty much screws up your gaps from there on so I'll stop here.

P.S. SSJ Godku = SSG Goku.

[Son Edo]

Just finished making my own Power Level List

Saiyan Saga

Spoiler:

Start of Z

Goku:
w/ weights--------334
w/o wights--------416
Super Kamehameha--910

Piccolo:
w/ weights----322
w/o weights---408
Makanpossapo--1,330

Raditz:
-1,500

Gohan:
Normal--1
Enraged-1,307

Arrival of the Saiyans

Mr.Popo:
-1,030

Kaio-sama:
-3,500

Yajirobe:
-970

Yamcha:
-1,480

Kuririn:
-1,770

Chaozu:
-610

Gohan:
-2,800

Piccolo:
-3,500

Saibamans:
-1,200

Nappa:
-4,000

Goku:
Initial----5,000
Full Power-8,000
Kaioken----16,000

Vegeta:
-18,000


Goku vs. Vegeta

Goku:
Base------8,000
Kaioken---16,000
Kaiokenx3-24,000
Kaiokenx4-32,000
Weakened-50

Vegeta:
Base---------------18,000
Weakened--------10,000
Oozaru------------100,000
Weakened Again-5,000
End of Battle-----100

Gohan:
Base---------------2,800
Weakened--------1,000
Oozaru------------10,000


Kuririn:
----------------1,770
Genki Dama--10,000
End of Battle-150

Freeza Saga

Spoiler:

Start of Namek Saga

Vegeta:
-24,000

Kewi:
-18,000

Dodoria:
-22,000

Zarbon:
-23,000


Zarbon vs. Vegeta

Vegeta:
-24,000

Zarbon:
-23,000
Monster-28,000


Zarbon vs. Vegeta - Part 2

Vegeta:
-30,000

Zarbon:
-----------22,000
Monster--28,000

Kuririn:
-13,000

Ginyu Force Saga

Gohan:
-14,000

Kuririn:
-13,000

Guldo:
-10,000

Vegeta:
-30,000

Recoome:
-40,000


Arrival of Goku

Goku:
Surpressed-5,000
Burst-------60,000
Full Power-90,000

Recoome:
-40,000

Burtur:
-40,000

Jiece:
-40,000

Goku vs. Captain Ginyu

Ginyu:
Initial----80,000
Full Power-120,000

Goku:
Base-----90,000
Kaioken-180,000

Nail:
-42,000

Goku is Ginyu and Ginyu is Goku

Goku(Ginyu's Body):
-2,500

Ginyu(Goku's Body):
-23,000

Kuririn:
-20,000

Gohan:
-25,000

Jiece:
-40,000

Vegeta:
-200,000

Freeza Arrives

Vegeta:
-------------200,000
Full Power-250,000

Freeza(1rst Form):
Initial----350,000
Full Power-530,000

Kuririn:
-75,000

Gohan:
-200,000

Piccolo:
Base--------100,000
Nail Fused-1,000,000


Freeza Tranforms

Freeza(2nd Form):
-1,000,000

Gohan:
-200,000
Enraged-800,000


Piccolo Arrives

Gohan:
-300,000

Freeza(2nd Form):
-1,000,000

Piccolo:
-1,000,000

2nd Form Freeza vs. Piccolo

Freeza(2nd Form):
Initial------1,000,000
Full Power-1,200,000

Piccolo:
Initial---------1,000,000
W/o weights-1,400,000

Freeza's 3rd Transformation

Freeza(3rd Form):
-2,400,000

Piccolo:
-1,400,000

Gohan:
Base-----300,000
Enraged-2,400,000

Freeza's Final Tranformation

Freeza(Final Form):
-5,000,000

Vegeta:
-2,500,000

Goku Arrives

Goku:
-3,000,000

Goku vs. Freeza

Goku:
Base-------3,000,000
Kaioken----6,000,000
Kaiokenx10-30,000,000
Kaiokenx20-60,000,000
Genki Dama-75,000,000

Freeza:
10%-12,000,000
50%-60,000,000

Super Saiyan Goku vs. Freeza

Freeza:
50%--------60,000,000
70%--------84,000,000
Full Power-120,000,000

Super Saiyan Goku:
-150,000,000

End of the Battle

Freeza:
Cutted---------10,000
Goku's Energy-1,000,000

Future Trunks Saga

Spoiler:

Beginning

King Cold:
-100,000,000

Mecha Freeza:
-160,000,000

Freeza and King Cold Arrives

Chaozu:
-25,000

Yamcha:
-50,000

Tenshinhan:
-90,000

Kuririn:
-150,000

Gohan:
-400,000

Piccolo:
-3,250,000

Vegeta:
-3,500,000

King Cold:
-100,000,000

Mecha Freeza:
-160,000,000

Future Trunks:
Base-4,500,000
SSJ--225,000,000

Goku:
Base-5,000,000
SSJ--250,000,000

Android Saga

Spoiler:

Beginning

Android 19:
-20,000,000

Dr.Gero:
-25,000,000

Yamcha:
-80,000

Tenshinhan:
-150,000

Kuririn:
-300,000

Gohan:
-8,000,000

Android 19 vs. Goku

Goku:
Base-10,000,000
SSJ--500,000,000
Sick-300,000,000 and Dropping

Android 19:
Pre Absorption------------20,000,000
Goku's Energy Absorbed-100,000,000

Vegeta Arrives

Vegeta:
Base-10,500,000
SSJ---525,000,000
Worn-300,000,000

Android 19:
Goku's Energy Absorbed---100,000,000
Vegeta's Energy Absorbed-250,000,000

Android 20 vs. Piccolo

Dr.Gero:
Pre Absorption--------------25,000,000
Vegeta's Blast Absorbed----50,000,000
Piccolo's Energy Absorbed-51,000,000

Vegeta:
SSJ-525,000,000

Piccolo:
Surpressed-1,000,000
Full Power-200,000,000

The activation of 17,18 and 16

Future Trunks:
Base-8,000,000
SSJ--400,000,000

Vegeta:
Base-10,500,000
SSJ--525,000,000

Piccolo:
-200,000,000

Android 18:
-600,000,000

Android 17:
-625,000,000

Cell Saga

Spoiler:

Beginning

Piccolo:
-500,000,000

Imperfect Cell:

-450,000,000

Android 17 vs. Piccolo

Piccolo:
-500,000,000
Full Power-625,000,000

Android 17:
-625,000,000

Imperfect Cell Arrives

Piccolo:
Tired-----------580,000,000
Light Grenade---650,000,000

Android 17:
-625,000,000

Imperfect Cell:
-725,000,000

Imperfect Cell vs. Android 16

Android 16:
-725,000,000

Imperfect Cell:
-725,000,000

Tenshinhan vs. Semi Perfect Cell

Semi Perfect Cell:
-1,000,000,000

Tenshinhan:
Base----------150,000
Shin Kikoho-850,000,000

Vegeta vs. Semi Perfect Cell

Semi Perfect Cell
-1,000,000,000

Vegeta:
Base----------15,000,000
SSJ-----------750,000,000
2nd Grade SSJ-1,125,000,000

Future Trunks:
Base----------13,000,000
SSJ-----------650,000,000

Perfect Cell vs. Vegeta and Trunks

Vegeta:
2nd Grade SSJ-1,125,000,000

Future Trunks:
2nd Grade SSJ-1,125,000,000
3rd Grade SSJ-1,500,000,000

Perfect Cell:
Surpressed-1,250,000

Cell vs. Goku

Goku:
Base-30,000,000
MSSJ-1,500,000,000

Perfect Cell:
-1,600,000,000

Cell vs. Gohan

Gohan:
Base-40,000,000
MSSJ-2,000,000,000

Perfect Cell:
-2,250,000

Z Fighters vs. Cell Jrs.

Yamcha:
-85,000

Tenshinhan:
-200,000

Kuririn:
-500,000

Piccolo:
-1,100,000,000

Future Trunks:
Base---24,000,000
MSSJ---1,200,000,000

Vegeta:
Base---24,000,000
MSSJ---1,200,000,000

Goku:
Tired-1,000,000,000 and Dropping

Cell Jrs.:
-1,250,000,000

Cell Jrs. vs. Gohan:

Cell Jrs.:
-1,250,000,000

Gohan:
MSSJ---------2,000,000,000
SSJ2---------4,000,000,000
Enraged SSJ2-6,000,000,000

Cell vs. Gohan

Perfect Cell:
-1,800,000,000
Full Power-3,000,000

Gohan:
Enraged SSJ2-6,000,000,000

Clash of Kamehamehas

Super Perfect Cell:
Kamehameha--4,000,000
Full Power--6,000,000,000

Gohan:
Enraged SSJ2-6,000,000,000
Injured------4,000,000

Future Trunks Returns to his timeline

Future Android 18:
-500,000,000

Future Android 17:
-525,000,000

Future Trunks:
Base-24,000,000
MSSJ-1,200,000,000

Three Years After

Future Imperfect Cell:
-450,000,000

Future Trunks:
Base-30,000,000
MSSJ--1,500,000,000

Buu Saga

Spoiler:

Beginning

Videl:
-7.2

Gohan:
Base-40,000,000
SSJ--2,000,000,000

Goten:
Base-20,000,000
SSJ--1,000,000,000

25th World Martial Arts Tournament

Killa:
-5.8

Punta:
-6.2

Jewel:
-6.8

Mr.Satan:
-7.0

Videl:
-7.5

Majin Spopovich:
-8.6

Majin Yamu:
-8.6

Gohan:
Base-42,000,000
SSJ--2,100,000,000
SSJ2-4,200,000,000

Android 18:
-650,000,000

Goten:
Base-23,000,000
SSJ--1,125,000,000

Trunks:
Base-25,500,000
SSJ--1,250,000,000

Chasing Spopivich and Yamu

Kuririn:
-600,000

Kibito:
-40,000,000

Piccolo:
-1,200,000,000

Kaioshin:
-1,500,000,000

Battle on Babidi's Spaceship

Pui Pui:
-100,000

Vegeta:
Base-50,000,000

Yakon:
-60,000,000

Goku:
Base-70,000,000
MSSJ-3,500,000,000
SSJ2 Burst-6,000,000,000

Gohan:
Base-42,000,000
MSSJ-2,100,000,000

Dabra:
-3,000,000,000

Majin Vegeta vs. Goku

Goku:
Base-70,000,000
MSSJ-3,500,000,000
SSJ2-7,000,000,000

Majin Vegeta:
Base-70,000,000
SSJ--3,500,000,000
SSJ2-7,000,000,000

Majin Buu is Hatched

Gohan:
SSJ--2,100,000,000
SSJ2-4,200,000,000

Dabra:
-3,000,000,000

Majin Buu:
Initial----2,500,000,000
Full Power-25,000,000,000

Majin Vegeta:
SSJ2-----------7,000,000,000
Suicide Attack-30,000,000,000

The Z Sword and Fusion Training

Gohan:
Base-50,000,000
SSJ--2,500,000,000
SSJ2-5,000,000,000

Goten:
Base-23,000,000
SSJ2-1,115,000,000

Trunks:
Base-25,500,000
SSJ2-1,250,000,000

Piccolo:
-1,200,000,000

Gotenks is Born

Piccolo:
-1,200,000,000

Goten:
Base-30,000,000
SSJ--1,500,000,000

Trunks:
Base-32,000,000
SSJ--1,600,000,000

Majin Buu:
-25,000,000,000

Gotenks:
Base-600,000,000
SSJ--30,000,000,000

Super Buu Saga

Good Buu:
-10,000,000,000

Grey Buu:
-15,000,000,000

Super Buu:
-250,000,000,000

Battle with Super Buu

Super Buu:
-250,000,000,000

Goten:
Base-35,000,000
SSJ--1,750,000,000

Trunks:
Base-35,000,000
SSJ--1,750,000,000

Gotenks:
Base-700,000,000
SSJ--35,000,000,000
SSJ2-72,000,000,000
SSJ3-280,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan:
-400,000,000,000

Battle with Buutenks,Buuccolo and Buuhan

Buutenks:
-530,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan:
-400,000,000,000

Buccolo:
-251,270,000,000

Goku:
SSJ2-7,000,000,000

Vegeta:
SSJ2-7,000,000,000

Buuhan:
-651,270,000,000

The Potara Warrior Vegetto

Buuhan:
-651,270,000,000

Vegetto:
Base-35,000,000,000
SSJ--1,750,000,000,000

The Battle on Majin Buu's Body and the Return of the Original Majin

Goku:
SSJ2-7,000,000,000

Vegeta:
SSJ2-7,000,000,000

Hypothetical Gogeta:
Base-1,400,000,000
SSJ--70,000,000,000
SSJ2-140,000,000,000
SSJ3-560,000,000,000

Super Buu:
-250,000,000,000

Buff Buu:
-300,000,000,000

Kid Buu:
-26,000,000,000

Kaioshin's Flashback

East Kaioshin:
-1,200,000,000

West Kaioshin:
-1,300,000,000

North Kaioshin:
-1,500,000,000

South Kaioshin:
-4,000,000,000

Kid Buu:
-26,000,000,000

Buff Buu:
-300,000,000,000

Dai Kaioshin:
-2,000,000,000

Fat Buu:
-25,000,000,000

The Battle for the Sake of the Universe

Mr.Satan:
-7

Mr.Buu:
-10,000,000,000

Vegeta:
Base-70,000,000
MSSJ-3,500,000,000
SSJ2-7,000,000,000

Goku:
Base-70,000,000
MSSJ-3,500,000,000
SSJ2-7,000,000,000
SSJ3-28,000,000,000

Kid Buu:
-26,000,000,000

Genki Dama:
-100,000,000,000

Battle of Gods Saga

Spoiler:

Showdown on Kaio's Planet

Goku:
Base-80,000,000
SSJ--4,000,000,000
SSJ2-8,000,000,000
SSJ3-32,000,000,000

Freeza:
-120,000,000

Hypothetical Vegetto:
Base-40,000,000,000
SSJ--2,000,000,000,000
SSJ2-4,000,000,000,000
SSJ3-16,000,000,000,000

Beerus:
Initial-----------2,000,000,000,000
Goku's Prediction-20,000,000,000,000

The Heart Pounding Birthday Party

Tenshinhan:
-500,000

Kuririn:
-560,000

Android 18:
-650,000,000

Piccolo:
-1,300,000,000

Goten:
Base-40,000,000
SSJ--2,000,000,000

Trunks:
Base-40,000,000
SSJ--2,000,000,000

Mr.Buu:
-10,000,000,000

Gotenks:
Base-800,000,000
SSJ--40,000,000,000
SSJ2-80,000,000,000
SSJ3-320,000,000,000

Gohan:
Base-----50,000,000
SSJ------2,500,000,000
Ultimate-400,000,000,000

Vegeta:
Base-------80,000,000
SSJ--------4,000,000,000
SSJ2-------8,000,000,000
Enraged----2,500,000,000,000
Galick Gun-5,000,000,000,000

Beerus:
Initial-2,000,000,000,000
10%-----10,000,000,000,000

God of Destruction vs. Super Saiyan God

Super Saiyan God Goku:
Episode 10-20,000,000,000,000
Episode 11-40,000,000,000,000
Episode 12-50,000,000,000,000
Full Power-60,000,000,000,000
Base-------30,000,000,000,000
SSJ--------54,000,000,000,000

Beerus:
Episode 10-25,000,000,000,000
Episode 11-45,000,000,000,000
Episode 12-50,000,000,000,000
Episode 13-70,000,000,000,000
Full Power-100,000,000,000,000

Looks good.

[Captain Space]

Context: after the universe once again rather conspicuously fails to end

Sounds like something Douglas Adams would write XD

Also I think it makes no sense to apply multipliers to base Godku, if FnF is anything to go by it certainly isn't anything that big. Even if the hair is blue, Bluper is the same as SSJ just with god power.

That's the thing, RF follows the movie version of BoG in which base was much closer to SSJ in this situation.

But honestly, even if Super's version of RF follows the movie exactly, the thing I posted still works, it just gives us:

Golden Freeza (max) > SSGSS >>>>>>> Base Godku > Final Form Freeza >>> Anything from the Buu Saga (except maybe Vegetto)

Which still works since my above list for Super has post-BoG Goku's base at over 1% of Beerus' power even before his training with Whis. There's plenty of room for it to be vastly inferior to either of his colourful god-forms and still vastly superior to whatever else.

...that or his base does rise immensely by the time of Super's second arc, making "Saiyan Beyond God" a very distinct thing from his base around the first arc's time period. I dunno, we'll see. This is why I didn't make guesses at numbers for Super's version of RF, there's a lot more leeway than there might seem based on exactly what scenes and lines they do and don't include/add in.

In any case, I'm not entirely sure what SSGSS being the same as SSJ but with god power has anything to do with what you're saying. If anything, it being more like SSJ makes it more likely to be a multiplier (as far as Super goes anyway).

[Khin]

Here's the multiplyers

Super Saiyan Multiplyers

Spoiler:

Oozaru
- 10x Base

Super Saiyan
- 50x Base

Super Saiyan Grade 2
- 75x Base

Super Saiyan Grade 3
- 150x Base
- The same speed as regular Super Saiyan

Mastered Super Saiyan
- 50x Base
- No Strain

Super Saiyan 2
- 100x Base

Super Saiyan 3
- 400x Base

Ultimate Gohan
- 8,000x Base

Super Saiyan God
- 750,000x Base

Saiyan Beyond God
- 2 / SSG

Super Saiyan Beyond God
- 1.8x SBG

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan
- 2x SBG

Fusion Multipylers

Spoiler:

Potara Fusion
- (A+B) x 50
- (A+B) x 50 x 5 if the users are rivals
- (A+B) x 2 if one of the users are way weaker than the other one(example: Kibito is way weaker than Kaioshin)

Fusion Dance
- (A+B) x 10
- If the other one is stronger,he need to surpress his power so he and the other user become equal(example: Trunks is slightly stronger than Goten)

Majin Buu's Forms

Spoiler:

Good Buu
- 40% of Fat Buu's Power

Grey Buu
- 60% of Fat Buu's Power

Super Buu
- (Good Buu + Grey Buu) x 10

Buccolo
- Super Buu + Piccolo + Base Goten + Base Trunks

Buutenks
- Super Buu + Piccolo + SSJ3 Gotenks

Buuhan
- Super Buu + Piccolo + Base Goten + Base Trunks + Ultimate Gohan

Buff Buu
- (Kid Buu + South Kaioshin) x 10

Fat Buu
- Kid Buu - Half of South Kaioshin's Power

Freeza's Forms

Spoiler:

1rst Form
- 226.4150943396226 / Final Form

2nd Form
- 2.264150943396226 x 1rst Form

3rd Form
- 2x 2nd Form

Final Form
- 50x 3rd Form

[Kaboom]

What drugs are you on and were can I get some?

While I'm pretty sure this was in jest, there's always an abnormal risk of such comments being taken personally in discussions like this, so...

[DanielSSJ]

What drugs are you on and were can I get some?

While I'm pretty sure this was in jest, there's always an abnormal risk of such comments being taken personally in discussions like this, so...

Fair enough. I'll keep that in mind.

[ahill1]

Spoiler:

Son Goku arc

Kuririn 7

Yamcha 9
~Wolf Fang Fist 10.5

Son Goku 10
~Oozaru 100

Gyumao 19

Roshi 30



21st Budokai

Orin Temple Bullies 9

Yamcha 12
~Wolf Fang Fist 14

Giran 16

Kuririn 20

Namu 29

Son Goku 30
~Oozaru 300

Roshi 30


Red Ribbon Army part 1

Colonel Silver 10

Ninja Murasaki 18.6

Sergeant Metallic 27

Son Goku 30

Android #8 40


Red Ribbon Army part 2

Kuririn 20

Pirate Robot 24

General Blue 27

Son Goku 36

Tao Pai Pai 75

Son Goku ( Post Karin Training ) 83

Karin 170


Uranai Baba arc

Dracula Man 10.6

Invisible Man 11

Yamcha 12
~Wolf Fang Fist 14

Kuririn 20

Mummy 36

Akkuman 54

Son Gohan 80

Son Goku 83


22nd Budokai

Panpoot 30

Chapa-o 83

Chaozu 95

Yamcha 97.5

Kuririn 100

Tsuru 120

Roshi 139

Tenshinhan 180

Son Goku
~initial 100
~little more serious 120
~speedup ( "full match level" ) 154
~Full Power 180


Piccolo Daimao arc

flash back

Roshi ( Young ) 155
Tsuru ( Young ) 155
Mutaito 170

Kuririn 100

Cymbal 110

Tambourine 148

Yajirobe 160

Karin 170

Tenshinhan 180

Son Goku 180

Drum 300

Piccolo Daimao Old
~40% 360
~100% 900

Piccolo Daimao Young
~initial 1,200
~Full Power 1,800

Son Goku ( Post Sacred Water ) 1,800

Mr. Popo 3,000

Kami 6,000


23rd Budokai

Chapa-o 110

Chaozu 720

Chi Chi 900

Cyborg Tao Pai Pai 1,200

Yamcha 1,440

Kuririn 1,500

Tenshinhan 2,100

Shen 5,400

Kami 6,000

Piccolo Jr.
~initial 1,600
~Vs Kuririn 1,800
~Vs Shen 6,000
~Warm up ( Vs Goku ) 6,000
~Full Power 10,000

Son Goku
~Weighted
-------------speed 1,800
-------------power 2,100
~W/o Weights ( Vs Ten ) 3,000
~Tenshinhan's estimation 4,500
~Warm up ( Vs Piccolo ) 6,000
~Full Power 10,000

Okay I have several questions. Why are your numbers already in the thousands by the King Piccolo arc? Why is almost everyone in the 23rd Budokai as strong as, if not stronger, than Raditz? Why is Kami stronger than Nappa? Goku's full power 10,000? What drugs are you on and were can I get some?

I did not use the scouter numbers for this as they seem very inconsistent with the implied gaps, especially during the Piccolo Daimao Saga.

[ahill1]

Raditz arc

Spoiler:

Roshi 139

Chaozu 145

Yamcha 177

Kuririn 206

Tenshinhan 250

Piccolo
~Weighted 322
~W/o weights 408
~Light of Death 1,330

Son Goku
~Weighted 334
~W/o weights 416
~Kamehameha 924

Son Gohan 1
~Spaceship level 710
~Enranged 1,307

Raditz 1,250

Enma 2,500

Kaio 3,500

Vegeta arc

Spoiler:

Yajirobe 800

Chaozu 1,000

Saibaiman 1,200

Son Gohan 1,307

Yamcha 1,480

Kuririn 1,640

Tenshinhan 1,750

Piccolo 2,500

Son Gohan ( Enranged + Masenko ) 2,800

Nappa
~initial 4,000
~Full Power 7,900

Son Goku
~base 8,050
~Kaioken 16,100
~Kaioken x3 24,150
~Kaioken x4 32,200

Vegeta 18,000
~Oozaru less than 180,000

Namek arc

Spoiler:

Kuririn
~Weighted 1,500
~W/o weights 1,750

Son Gohan 1,500

Nameks warriors 3,000

Cui 18,000

Dodoria 20,000

Zarbon
~normal 22,000
~monster 28,500

Vegeta
~initial 24,000
~zenkai 30,000

Ginyu arc part 1

Spoiler:

Gurd 9,000

Kuririn 13,000

Son Gohan 14,000

Vegeta 30,000

Recoome 40,000

Butta 40,000

Jheese 40,000

Ginyu
~initial 66,000
~Full Power 120,000

Son Goku
~Vs Ginyus 66,000
~Full power 90,000
~Kaioken 180,000

Ginyu arc part 2

Spoiler:

Ginyu-Goku 23,000

Kuririn 23,000

Son Gohan 26,000

Jheese 40,000

Nail 42,000

Vegeta 52,500

Freeza arc part 1

Spoiler:

Kuririn 215,000

Son Gohan 250,000

Piccolo 300,000

Vegeta 500,000

Freeza ( 1st form ) 530,000

Freeza arc part 2

Spoiler:

Son Gohan ( Enranged ) 1,000,000

Freeza ( 2nd form )
~initial 1,060,000
~Vs Gohan 1,200,000
~Full power 1,400,000

Piccolo ( After fused w/Nail )
~Weighted 1,250,000
~W/o weights 1,500,000

Son Gohan ( zenkai ) 1,000,000
~Enranged 1,730,000
~Masenko 1,945,000

Freeza ( 3rd form ) 2,000,000

Vegeta ( zenkai ) 3,000,000

Freeza ( final form )
~initial 3,312,500
~speedup ( vs Vegeta ) 5,300,000
~50% 120,000,000
~70% 168,000,000
~100% 240,000,000

Son Goku
~base 5,000,000
~Kaioken x10 50,000,000
~Kaioken x20 100,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 250,000,000

Trunks arc

Spoiler:

Yamcha 160,000

Tenshinhan 200,000

Kuririn 250,000

Son Gohan 1,000,000

Piccolo 5,600,000

Vegeta 6,000,000

King Cold 125,000,000

Mecha Freeza
~Suppressed 130,000,000
~Full power ( unseen ) 260,000,000

Future Trunks
~base 8,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 400,000,000

Son Goku
~base 10,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 500,000,000

Future arc

Spoiler:

Son Gohan ( 2 arms )
~base 5,600,000
~Super Saiyajin 280,000,000

Son Gohan ( 1 arm )
~base 7,500,000
~Super Saiyajin 375,000,000

Android 18 1,000,000,000

Android 17
~32% 340,000,000
~100% 1,040,000,000

Android arc

Spoiler:

Yamcha 7,500,000

Tenshinhan 9,375,000

Kuririn 11,250,000

Son Gohan 15,000,000

Android 19 500,000,000
~post absorptions 625,000,000

Android 20 555,555,555
~post absorptions 693,750,000

Piccolo 832,000,000

Future Trunks
~base 18,720,000
~Super Saiyajin 936,000,000

Son Goku
~base 20,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 1,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( sick ) 666,000,000

Vegeta
~base 20,800,000
~Super Saiyajin 1,040,000,000

Android 18 1,497,600,000

Android 17 1,664,000,000

Cell arc

Spoiler:

Imperfect Cell 1,248,000,000

Kamiccolo
~Weighted 1,497,600,000
~W/o weights 1,664,000,000

Android 17 1,664,000,000

Imperfect Cell ( post humans absorptions ) 3,000,000,000

Android 16 3,000,000,000

Semi Cell 6,000,000,000
~Full power 8,400,000,000

Vegeta ( Post 1 year in rosat )
~base 120,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 6,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Dain Ni Dankai 12,000,000,000

Future Trunks ( Post 1 year in rosat )
~base 112,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 5,600,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Dai Ni Dankai 11,200,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Dai San Dankai 22,500,000,000

Perfect Cell ( Warm up ) 18,000,000,000

Son Goku ( Post ~1 year in rosat )
~base 1,500,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 50% ) 37,500,000,000

Cell Games

Spoiler:

Android 16 3,000,000,000

Kamiccolo ( Post ~1 year in rosat ) 40,000,000,000

Future Trunks ( Post second year in rosat )
~base 888,888,888
~Super Saiyajin 44,444,444,444

Vegeta ( Post secnd year in rosat )
~base 900,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 45,000,000,000

Cell Jr 46,875,000,000

Son Goku
~Super Saiyajin ( Warm up ) 18,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 100% ) 75,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( Vs Cell Jr ) 30,000,000,000

Perfect Cell
~Warm up 18,000,000,000
~Vs Goku 86,250,000,000
~Vs Gohan ( Real Speed ) 105,000,000,000
~Full Power 150,000,000,000
~Zenkai 212,500,000,000

Son Gohan
~base 2,250,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 112,500,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 2 ) 225,000,000,000

Buu saga coming soon
~

[Captain Space]

I did not use the scouter numbers for this as they seem very inconsistent with the implied gaps, especially during the Piccolo Daimao Saga.

So what you're saying is you were using is an independent, separate numerical scale for rating power that isn't to do with the normal power level scale (the one based on the scouter numbers)? Fair enough, but you might want to indicate that at the start of your post so people don't get confused.

Additionally, there were no scouter numbers in the Piccolo Daimao saga, and the guidebook numbers for it you can take or leave (I choose to ignore them especially with some inconsistencies I've noticed or had pointed out to me lately).

As far as numbers given in the actual show go, they're basically all consistent, barring that one weird line in RF.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

For me, the main problem is Daimao saying he used less than half of his power against Goku. I'd have to pretty much ignore that line or assume he was lying to have everything fit.

[LightBing]

That's the thing, RF follows the movie version of BoG in which base was much closer to SSJ in this situation.

But honestly, even if Super's version of RF follows the movie exactly, the thing I posted still works, it just gives us:

Golden Freeza (max) > SSGSS >>>>>>> Base Godku > Final Form Freeza >>> Anything from the Buu Saga (except maybe Vegetto)

Which still works since my above list for Super has post-BoG Goku's base at over 1% of Beerus' power even before his training with Whis. There's plenty of room for it to be vastly inferior to either of his colourful god-forms and still vastly superior to whatever else.

...that or his base does rise immensely by the time of Super's second arc, making "Saiyan Beyond God" a very distinct thing from his base around the first arc's time period. I dunno, we'll see. This is why I didn't make guesses at numbers for Super's version of RF, there's a lot more leeway than there might seem based on exactly what scenes and lines they do and don't include/add in.

In any case, I'm not entirely sure what SSGSS being the same as SSJ but with god power has anything to do with what you're saying. If anything, it being more like SSJ makes it more likely to be a multiplier (as far as Super goes anyway).

You're right, that's plausible still better to wait and see what happens in the next arc. Regarding the SSGSS being the same as SSJ, I was thinking it works the same way as the fusions. With the base being much stronger and the multiplayer being smaller,I should have been clear. I think starting with fusion in the Boo Arc and in the new movies. The way how SSJ works will change.

For me, the main problem is Daimao saying he used less than half of his power against Goku. I'd have to pretty much ignore that line or assume he was lying to have everything fit.

Exaggerated boosting, like how Piccolo said he was thousand of time stronger than everyone else at the 23rd TB.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

There's a clear difference between the statements, they're not even remotely similar.

[ahill1]

Yeah the statements are differents; thousand times stronger is only a way to exaggerate, but I don't think Piccolo would lie saying he used less than half of his power.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

What's the multiplier for Broly's unique form?

His ssj form bleed from a kick from base form Goku, and Goku wasn't even power up. Meaning his ssj form was pretty weak next to Goku's ssj form in the film. However when he went Lssj Goku at full power with help from others he got smashed.

The only thing is this is by Toei...and what they think of the ssj multipliers and what Daizenshuus say, and Toriyama's version...well all 3 seam to be COMPELTELY different.

If they go by daizenshu it seams to be well over 50x because Goku wasn't even ssj,nor was he even powered up at all. But toei also has base vegeta doing almost as well as ssj2 vegeta vs kid buu, leading fans to think base-ssj3 isn't even a 2x multiplier in terms of the anime.