I always had the feel that #16 was a little bit stronger than Cell in their fight.
But as #16 said they're about equal, I give the two the same power level.
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What gap do you guys have between Vegeta SSJ (Androids saga) and Trunks SSJ (Androids saga)?
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I think a 20% gap is way too much...apex_pretador wrote:vegeta is 120 % of trunks i.e. 20% higher.ahill1 wrote:What gap do you guys have between Vegeta SSJ (Androids saga) and Trunks SSJ (Androids saga)?
IF vegeta is 6, trunks is 5. Vegeta can one-shot him with a galick gun or BBA.
This Gap decreases to about 5%-10% after 1st rosat, and ~0% after second rosat.
Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.3-4
Tenshinhan: “Th-this is the man who took down Freeza…And he was helpless before these androids…I’ll be frank…! No matter how strong Goku may be, he shouldn’t be that different from Trunks or Vegeta…”
Accroding to Tenshinhan, the three SSJ are on the same range of power.
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Goten stronger than Trunks?Analytic wrote:SSJ TrunksZombie wrote:Can I have numbers for these guys?
-- 25th TB: 108,000,000,000
-- Post RoSaT: 150,000,000,000
SSJ Goten
-- 25th TB: 112,500,000,000
-- Post RoSaT: 150,000,000,000
Piccolo
-- Start of the Buu arc: 30,000,000,000
-- 25th TB: 30,000,000,000
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Yea, Hugo Boss is right. Kaioken and Kaiokenx2 are the same thing.
And completely agreed with dbgtFO. While was implied that Nappa and Vegeta cannot alteir their battle power, both of them indeed did a power-up on Earth.
Vegeta said something like "It seems you have hit your limit, so let me show you something before you die... the overwhelming power of a Saiyan elite", to which Goku was like "Ohh" before saying "what ki".
Vegeta's line on Namek might suggest otherwise but it sounds like a power-up to me.
And completely agreed with dbgtFO. While was implied that Nappa and Vegeta cannot alteir their battle power, both of them indeed did a power-up on Earth.
Vegeta said something like "It seems you have hit your limit, so let me show you something before you die... the overwhelming power of a Saiyan elite", to which Goku was like "Ohh" before saying "what ki".
Vegeta's line on Namek might suggest otherwise but it sounds like a power-up to me.
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What do you think of these numbers?
Freeza (100%) : 140,000,000
Goku SSJ (Namek) : 150,000,000
Future Gohan SSJ [1 arm] : 180,000,000 (50% of future #17)
Future Trunks SSJ [Mecha saga] : 200,000,000
Son Goku [Mecha saga] : 220,000,000
Piccolo [Androids saga] : 250,000,000
Future Trunks SSJ [Androids saga] : 300,000,000
Son Goku SSJ [Androids saga] : 330,000,000
Vegeta SSJ [Androids saga] : 340,000,000
#18 : 450,000,000 (future: 330,000,000)
#17 : 500,000,000 (future: 360,000,000)
Sounds good?
Freeza (100%) : 140,000,000
Goku SSJ (Namek) : 150,000,000
Future Gohan SSJ [1 arm] : 180,000,000 (50% of future #17)
Future Trunks SSJ [Mecha saga] : 200,000,000
Son Goku [Mecha saga] : 220,000,000
Piccolo [Androids saga] : 250,000,000
Future Trunks SSJ [Androids saga] : 300,000,000
Son Goku SSJ [Androids saga] : 330,000,000
Vegeta SSJ [Androids saga] : 340,000,000
#18 : 450,000,000 (future: 330,000,000)
#17 : 500,000,000 (future: 360,000,000)
Sounds good?
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No... Here is the quote:- Future trunks (trunks arc) = Namek goku. Gohan flat-out said they ARE SAME, and Yadrat goku wasn't stated to have powered up this much from Namek. All Yadrat goku did was learning IT, and controlling SS transformation. He didn't train as much to increase power. His gains, IF ANY, must not be comparable to his 3 yr exceptionally hard training with piccolo & gohan.
Chapter: 331 (DBZ 137), P13.3
Gohan: “It’s fa-father!!! It’s the same ki as father back then!!”
Note: Gohan says it’s the ‘same ki’ (onaji ki), rather than the ‘same amount of ki’ (onaji gurai no ki).
As Herms pointed out, it doesn't have to necessarily mean that Trunks (Mecha saga) was as strong as Goku. It can means that their Ki feels the same, even more when the SSJ was just introduced in the series. Besides this, Trunks encouraged Mecha Freeza and his father to go at him at full power, something he would not do if he was not 100% sure that he could beat Mecha Freeza. Hell, he even said (at least in Viz version) he could take down Mecha Freeza in seconds. Gohan's quote doesn't have to mean Trunks = Goku.
Trunks (Mecha saga) >> Mecha Freeza >= Goku SSJ (Namek) IMO>
See the point above. Gohan's comment doesn't have to mean Trunks = Goku, even more when it's implied a big gap between Trunks and Mecha Freeza.- Future gohan should be lower due to above argument, and future trunks was said to be about equal to F gohan pre death. I think they both must be very close to Namek goku.
- Future #17 can't be 2x one-armed gohan. 1-arm gohan was confident in beating 50% #17 and #18 at the same time without his other arm.
No, like Future #17 said, he used less than half of his power in his last fight against Gohan, not half of his power. I have #17 using 40%, so Gohan is decently above him according to my numbers. Besides this, Gohan cannot be that much above ~40% #17, even more when he was not that confident and had the feel he was going to die.
Yes, he can:- Future trunks (android arc) can't be that close to future androids.
Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.5
Trunks: “They’re also somewhat different from the androids I know…They weren’t as outrageously strong as this…Even I could fight them fairly well…”
That doesn't mean Piccolo is below Freeza, though. By this logic, Captain Ginyu should be stronger than post Nail fusion Piccolo and post-Zenkai Vegeta, because Freeza was surprised that Goku base is even above Captain Ginyu.- Kami said that even super saiyans, who can destroy freeza and still couldn't fight android 17. So it is implied that piccolo must be below Freeza.
Chapter: 366 (DBZ 172), P4.5-6
Kuririn: “Goku, tell us—This thing’s even more terrible than Freeza. Are you scared by that? Or excited?”
Goku: “…Both…”
As you can see, Kuririn is still bring up Freeza in front of Goku and freaking Kamiccolo.
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apex_pretador wrote:Herms' line is validating my point. The ki is "same" which means it is not just "similar". Herms pointing that out only indicates that amount isn't the only thing that is same (like say freeza vs goku), but the feeling , the lack of evilness are also same.ahill1 wrote:No... Here is the quote:- Future trunks (trunks arc) = Namek goku. Gohan flat-out said they ARE SAME, and Yadrat goku wasn't stated to have powered up this much from Namek. All Yadrat goku did was learning IT, and controlling SS transformation. He didn't train as much to increase power. His gains, IF ANY, must not be comparable to his 3 yr exceptionally hard training with piccolo & gohan.
Chapter: 331 (DBZ 137), P13.3
Gohan: “It’s fa-father!!! It’s the same ki as father back then!!”
Note: Gohan says it’s the ‘same ki’ (onaji ki), rather than the ‘same amount of ki’ (onaji gurai no ki).
As Herms pointed out, it doesn't have to necessarily mean that Trunks (Mecha saga) was as strong as Goku. It can means that their Ki feels the same, even more when the SSJ was just introduced in the series. Besides this, Trunks encouraged Mecha Freeza and his father to go at him at full power, something he would not do if he was not 100% sure that he could beat Mecha Freeza. Hell, he even said (at least in Viz version) he could take down Mecha Freeza in seconds. Gohan's quote doesn't have to mean Trunks = Goku.
Gohan didn't say that goku became stronger since Namek, or am I missing something? No way can he ignore THAT MUCH change in goku's power. You are giving post Yadrat goku an increase in power comparable to the 3 years training where he trained exceptionally hard with piccolo and gohan. Yadrat goku lacked time to even learn techniques.Trunks (mecha saga) = Namek goku (In power, feeling of ki, arrangement of ki, lack of evilness)
Trunks (Mecha saga) >> Mecha Freeza >= Goku SSJ (Namek) IMO>Chapter: 330 (DBZ 136), P9.7See the point above. Gohan's comment doesn't have to mean Trunks = Goku, even more when it's implied a big gap between Trunks and Mecha Freeza.- Future gohan should be lower due to above argument, and future trunks was said to be about equal to F gohan pre death. I think they both must be very close to Namek goku.
Yamcha: “So this guy called ‘Fr…Freeza’ has such terrible…ab…absurdly large ki…?”
Gohan: “This isn’t it…he gets much, much stronger…!”
So, SS future trunks >>> Mecha freeza (on earth) <<< namek 100% freeza
How Namek freeza and trunks compare to each other, we have no idea.
- Future #17 can't be 2x one-armed gohan. 1-arm gohan was confident in beating 50% #17 and #18 at the same time without his other arm.
No, like Future #17 said, he used less than half of his power in his last fight against Gohan, not half of his power. I have #17 using 40%, so Gohan is decently above him according to my numbers. Besides this, Gohan cannot be that much above ~40% #17, even more when he was not that confident and had the feel he was going to die.
[/quote]OK.
And before he even knew about present androids being > Future androids, he was scared to even let vegeta fight them, who was stronger than him. He was "SHOCKED'' visibly that vegeta was doing that good against the "weaker" one of the androids even before knowing that they are stronger than future androids.Yes, he can:- Future trunks (android arc) can't be that close to future androids.
Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.5
Trunks: “They’re also somewhat different from the androids I know…They weren’t as outrageously strong as this…Even I could fight them fairly well…”
Chapter: 351 (DBZ 157), P7.1
Trunks: “We absolutely can’t win unless we have Goku’s help and everyone fights together!”
So, in other words, a super saiyan significantly stronger than trunks was implied to be weak to fight androids before trunks even knew they were stronger in this timeline.
what to say freeza said "only" goku is stronger than ginyu? He thought that ginyu was one of the strongest beings in the universe, besides himself & Cold, and he just saw four people stronger than him, so that's why he was surprised, and goku is the only one of his opponents who prefers to talk, as gohan , vegeta & piccolo prefer to get straight to point.That doesn't mean Piccolo is below Freeza, though. By this logic, Captain Ginyu should be stronger than post Nail fusion Piccolo and post-Zenkai Vegeta, because Freeza was surprised that Goku base is even above Captain Ginyu.- Kami said that even super saiyans, who can destroy freeza and still couldn't fight android 17. So it is implied that piccolo must be below Freeza.
Yeah, which means that freeza isn't absolute joke which your numbers seem to indicate.
Chapter: 366 (DBZ 172), P4.5-6
Kuririn: “Goku, tell us—This thing’s even more terrible than Freeza. Are you scared by that? Or excited?”
Goku: “…Both…”
As you can see, Kuririn is still bring up Freeza in front of Goku and freaking Kamiccolo.
See how krillin brings up vegeta for comparing suppressed first form freeza, and goku gives same reaction as above. However, he doesn't bring up nappa, why? Because he's one-shot material, a joke for goku. So, freeza still has respectable power among all powerhouse Z fighters of android arc.
but to prove himself stronger , he wouldn't hold back. He was raging mad, had to escape the planet in 5 minutes after defeating a power comparable to his own, and prove that he is stronger.DanielSSJ wrote:Goku get's more than one hit against Freeza before that point, and even after talking a beating from Freeza, Goku still says things like "I hope that's not all you have." Anyway, I assume that Goku was holding back a bit in order to extend the fight. Sure, Goku is pissed off about Kuririn's death, but, as we see later, Goku also wants to rub it in Freeza's face that he's stronger than him now.apex_pretador wrote: Before porunga's appearance, goku got one hit on freeza , while freeza got like 6-7 hits, and he did flew against KameHameHa even if it was only for a while, and not completely.
I guess you could argue that goku was holding back, but he was enraged, to avenge krillin, and he is shown screamingly with wide-open mouth several times in the battle. Also, the hit freeza landed after flying through/around KHH was supposed to get the job done.
And this is not even including the power loss from SS goku's beatdown freeza got when he was at 50% of his power.
I don't take that portion of the Boo vs. Gotenks fight all that seriously, seeing how it's a comedic gag fight.man you are putting too much stock into multipliers. Super buu can't be 8x SS gotenks, going by the performance. Gotenks SS did better against super buu than buu did against SS3 gotenks or gohan. He did MUCH better against buu than SS2 vegeta against kid buu. He did better than what cell did against SS2 gohan, better than recoome/ butta/ jeece did against goku, better than #16 did against semi-cell, and I'm sure you'd agree that none of these were even 5x gaps, let alone 8x.DanielSSJ wrote:If we're to assume that post-RoSaT SS Gotenks is stronger than Fat Boo, then Evil Boo should be about 8x stronger
[/quote]Gotenks' entire character is a gag. I don't see this fight as a full-on gag fight anyways, it feels like gotenks can give a not serious super buu a lot of trouble. SS3 gotenks vs buu is more of a gag fight than SS gotenks vs buu.
dont care about gaps? never mind then, all points are worthless.Besides, I'd assume Boo is just toying with Gotenks before he tries to kill him. Anyway, since when have I cared about power gaps?
oh wait, if you don't care about gaps, then why care about multipliers anyways?
[/quote]No, Herms doesn't validate your point in any way lol. Herms pointed out that Gohan's speech doesn't have to mean that Trunks was as strong as Goku. It could just mean their ki feel the same, even more when SSJ was just introduced.
Super Saiyans weren't common, so it's understandable as for why Gohan thought it might've been Goku. It's the only time he sensed one.
When Goku was finding a new Namek, he had to search for beings with the "same" ki as Piccolo, even though we know none of them are on his level. Again, Gohan's quote on Goku doesn't have to necessarily mean he was close to Goku.
The quote you posted only proves that the Androids are above Trunks, not that they are far above. Not to mention Trunks still did not know his father was that strong. He only realized that once he saw him fighting those Cyborgs. I think Trunks, like with Yardrat Goku, has underestimated Vegeta a little here.
He probably first thought Yardrat Goku = himself, but he ended up being > Himself
He probably first thought Vegeta was = himself, but he ended up being > Himself
But even if Trunks = future 18 and Vegeta = future 17, they would most likely still end up losing. What it does imply, however, is that they all cannot be much below the future duo (since ganging up would work), which goes hand in hand with Trunks being able to fight them fairly well.
But Freeza is actually a total joke, what makes your point moot IMO. A stronger Trunks than that which could defeat Mecha Freeza in seconds was a total joke for the present Androids, so Freeza would be nothing more than mere fodder. Kami still bringing up Freeza doesn't mean he is still relevant, unless you think Ginyu is still relevant in the Freeza vs Goku fight, when even Gohan is already way stronger than him. Hell, Tao Pai Pai's defeat was brought up in the 22nd Budokai, even so he was a total trash to the likes of Tenshinhan and Muten Roshi. What a joke.
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The Daizenshuu also stated the Cell Juniors are equal to Perfect Cell and stronger than Vegeta.Zombie wrote:Gohan seems a bit to close to FP Cell.SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:What do you guys think on my planned list for Cell Games ? Any feedbacks would be appreciated.
Perfect Cell
--- Against Goku/Gohan : 2,800,000,000
--- Full Power : 4,000,000,000
--- Super Perfect : 8,000,000,000
Gohan
--- Mastered Super Saiyan : 3,500,000,000
--- Super Saiyan 2 : 7,000,000,000
--- Enraged Super Saiyan 2 : 8,000,000,000
Goku
--- Mastered Super Saiyan : 2,500,000,000
Cell Juniors
--- 2,000,000,000
Vegeta :
--- Mastered Super Saiyan : 1,850,000,000
I also always follow D7 statement that the Juniors were equal to Vegeta and Trunks but meh.
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http://web.archive.org/web/201111031701 ... _hist#linkZombie wrote:I can't find any of that, can you give me the quotes?
http://web.archive.org/web/201111031808 ... h_cell_jrs
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The Daizenshuu is so messed up it's not even funny. Daizenshuu is a joke, seriously.
@Zombie - the same as Kaboom?
@Analytic - even them being at Cell(@Goku) is wrong. Trunks and Vegeta could hold their own, which would be impossible if they were equal to Cell(@Goku).
@Zombie - the same as Kaboom?
@Analytic - even them being at Cell(@Goku) is wrong. Trunks and Vegeta could hold their own, which would be impossible if they were equal to Cell(@Goku).
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I think Piccolo is too far away from the Cell Juniors. He was not so messed up in the end of the fight. I'd raise him to 1,500,000,000.Zombie wrote:Well when various Daizenshuu's differ in the same information then I guess I can choose which one to follow.
Kaboom's numbers for everyone not Gohan, Cell or Goku in the CG are perfect for me.
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Because he knew Cell had more power. Note that Trunks showed surprise to know that Piccolo is nothing to Cell, so he'd be at least expecting him to be somewhat relevant. Trunks' surprise shows me Piccolo discovered that Cell (warm up/vs Vegeta and Trunks) and Goku MSSJ 50% were not them at full power.Zombie wrote:He admitted inferiority to the Cell that beat Super Vegeta. There is a considerable gap.ahill1 wrote:I think Piccolo is too far away from the Cell Juniors. He was not so messed up in the end of the fight. I'd raise him to 1,500,000,000.Zombie wrote:Well when various Daizenshuu's differ in the same information then I guess I can choose which one to follow.
Kaboom's numbers for everyone not Gohan, Cell or Goku in the CG are perfect for me.
In viz, when Goku said he most likely could not beat Cell, Trunks even said:
"...That powerful? I was afraid of that..."
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@apex_pretador
Piccolo already knew the reason Trunks lost (due to him being Kamiccolo). Kamiccolo is not only able to sense their chi, but also exactly what's happening, like when he knew Kuririn broke the remote control.
Piccolo already knew the reason Trunks lost (due to him being Kamiccolo). Kamiccolo is not only able to sense their chi, but also exactly what's happening, like when he knew Kuririn broke the remote control.
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apex_pretador wrote:but then why did he say this quote only AFTER cell bulked up & trunks powered down at the same instant? Also if I'm not wrong, he said that kami will lose the ability to see into the lower world?ahill1 wrote:@apex_pretador
Piccolo already knew the reason Trunks lost (due to him being Kamiccolo). Kamiccolo is not only able to sense their chi, but also exactly what's happening, like when he knew Kuririn broke the remote control.
388 (DBZ 194), P5.4
Piccolo: “H-he’s incredible…Cell in his perfect form…”
Not said until the bulking up of cell & trunks' powering down happened in the same instant. Also , if he was able to see them, then wh didn't he comment even once about the speed issue during the entire fight? Oh this is really inconsistent
I think he saying Perfect Cell was incredible is not only referencing his pure strength, but also his smartness and cunning (Cell even said he would be complete in "everything", what includes more than strength IMO).
Kami would lose the ability because Piccolo would be the predominant part in the fusion. Kami would no longer "exist", I'd say. Only Piccolo would enjoy this hobby.
How strong do you think MSSJ Goku (50%) is? Stronger than SSJG3 Trunks? Or equal to warm up Perfect Cell?
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Here's the problem with Goku MSSJ (50%) being equal to warm up Perfect Cell:
When Goku left the Rosat, Vegeta asked him if he could beat Cell. After Goku witnessed Cell in his Perfect Cell, he said "I probably cannot win". So, we have:
Perfect Cell >= MSSJ Goku
Trunks was surprised with Goku saying he could not beat Cell and said:
Perfect Cell (estimated true power) >= MSSJ Goku (estimated true power) >>> Perfect Cell (vs Vegeta and Trunks)
Even so, the power Goku showed in Karin's tower (his 50%) did really surprised Trunks. At no time, Trunks thought that was not Goku's full power, until he heard Piccolo (post Rosat) being labeled by trash by Son Goku. So, we finally have:
Perfect Cell (estimated true power) >= MSSJ Goku (estimated true power) = MSSJ Goku (50%) >>> Perfect Cell (vs Vegeta and Trunks)
This is at the very least. Goku MSSJ (50%) could be even more powerful than Trunks' estimations of Goku's full power.
When Goku left the Rosat, Vegeta asked him if he could beat Cell. After Goku witnessed Cell in his Perfect Cell, he said "I probably cannot win". So, we have:
Perfect Cell >= MSSJ Goku
Trunks was surprised with Goku saying he could not beat Cell and said:
So, Trunks was expecting Cell's true power to be a good deal stronger than that power Cell displayed against him and Vegeta:Trunks: It's...that powerful?...I was afraid of that...
Perfect Cell (estimated true power) >= MSSJ Goku (estimated true power) >>> Perfect Cell (vs Vegeta and Trunks)
Even so, the power Goku showed in Karin's tower (his 50%) did really surprised Trunks. At no time, Trunks thought that was not Goku's full power, until he heard Piccolo (post Rosat) being labeled by trash by Son Goku. So, we finally have:
Perfect Cell (estimated true power) >= MSSJ Goku (estimated true power) = MSSJ Goku (50%) >>> Perfect Cell (vs Vegeta and Trunks)
This is at the very least. Goku MSSJ (50%) could be even more powerful than Trunks' estimations of Goku's full power.
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That's not the point though. The point is that the Z warriors were expecting Cell to be a bit stronger than Goku.However, Goku saying that doesn't mean that he himself believed that he can't beat cell. He still tried his best till he really lost. He also didn't want to get everyone's hopes up.
Trunks did say that according to Viz. I don't have Viz's scan, but was in this moment:When was that? I don't remember.
Spoiler:
"One step ahead" doesn't have to mean 50% Goku was only slightly stronger than Vegeta. Vegeta was basically saying Goku is stronger than him, the "one step ahead" is just a way to illustrate the Goku > Vegeta scenario IMO. Even if you believe 50% Goku = warm up Cell, that doesn't work, since warm up Cell was way stronger than Vegeta. The gap between Vegeta and warm up Cell was incredible.He's one step ahead of vegeta, and cell was like one step ahead of him too. "one step ahead" never used to depict incredible gaps.
And this is not even including the fact that vegeta might have known that it wasn't goku's full power. (Note: Ki sensors generally can tell if someone is at FP or not , in most cases, and vegeta is too good at ki sensing to not know that, compared to trunks.
Vegeta was a bit surprised. Look at the image again:Vegeta wasn't surprised that goku can't beat cell, neither was krillin (who sensed the power of PC in one hit from him).
Spoiler:
Yeah, because Goku said he probably could not beat Cell. It has nothing to do with Cell's warm up power being > 50% Goku.During the entire time, trunks was like "does goku have a plan or what?" "Why is he so calm?"
IMO it really cannot, because Trunks did not suspect 50% Goku was not 100% Goku until he witnessed Goku and Piccolo's conversation. Trunks was surprised with 50% Goku and did not know that Goku was hiding more power.On the points you showed, it may be interpreted in a different way as well (If trunks did say that)
If anything, I'd say 50% Goku should be > Goku (Trunks' estimation), who already should be >> warm up Cell, based on his line earlier.
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I disagree about power levels being as meaningless as you say, otherwise why to have a thread specifically aimed to power levels with more than 300 pages?Kaboom wrote:1) With or without the meaningless "no offense" modifier, can we please NOT do the "laughable" thing for something as subjective and ultimately meaningless as power level numbers? This isn't the type of community where they're unduly treated as serious business and opinions of them are worthy of derision.apex_pretador wrote:Also, did you really put CG SUPER SAIYAN gohan above full power perfect cell? No disrespect man (seriously, don't mind) but this is laughable.
2) Based on where DBZGTKOSDH placed Goku, that may not even be "full-power" Cell, just the power Cell used to fight Goku and Gohan before the latter went Super Saiyan 2.
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Gohan fights Dabra on par the whole time; there's no way you can look at the fight and suggests Drabra's much stronger. Dabra's blast does almost no damage to him, he uses spits early on, he fells the need to bring out his sword (which doesn't help him).
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Freeza
Cell
Boo
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