Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[ahill1]

Look at the reaction of all; I doubt they would be so impressed with the power of Gotenks if he were weaker than the boys in Super Saiyan. You have Gotenks base to weaker than 18 !!! What is the logic in that?

[ahill1]

Goten - 10
Trunks - 11

Gotenks - 21
SSJ Goten - 500
SSJ Trunks - 550
SSJ Gotenks - 1050

Why exactly would Gotenks in his base form be stronger?

Too big the gap between Goten and Trunks; they must be really close.

Is ridiculous the fusion be just an addition; it would mean SSJ2 (boost) = Fusion (boost); neither should it be a multiplication, because if so Roshi/Roshi fusion > Vegeta(saiyan saga) - which is retarded.

What's your fusion theory?

Cannot be AxB - Roshi/Roshi > Vegeta????
Cannot be A+B - for obvious reasons

There are 3 fusions and it's important to find a formula that coincide with is implied in the history.

[ahill1]

Return of Freeza
Son Gohan – 1,000,000
Kuririn – 85,000
Yamucha – 8,200
Tenshinhan – 32,000
Vegeta – 2,800,000
Piccolo – 2,400,000
Planet Trade Empire soldiers – ~1,000
Cyborg Freeza – 40,500,000
(Unseen full power) – 135,000,000
Trunks – 3,000,000
(Super Saiyan) – 150,000,000
King Cold – 45,000,000
(Unseen third form) – 75,000,000
(Unseen final form) – 145,000,000
Son Gokuu – 3,100,000
(Super Saiyan) – 155,000,000

Kuririn only 85,000? He was considered helpful against Freeza(530,000) - place him at least 150,000.

Why Ten and Yamcha are so low? Right, they did not have the potential unlocked, but give a little credit to their training.

Cyborg Freeza must be at least equal to SSJ Goku(namek). He said that perhaps he could go alone - I advise you put him at least at 155,000,000.

The gap between Trunks and Mecha Freeza is way too small - Truks suggests he could take Freeza in seconds - I guess it's implied at least 1,33x gap.

Son Goku > Son Goku(trunks estimation) > Trunks - so you have the gap between then way too small.

Kuririn – 145,000
Yamucha – 22,500
Yajirobe – 650
Tenshinhan – 115,000
Son Gohan – 3,250,000
Son Gokuu – 3,400,000
(Super Saiyan) – 170,000,000

Kuririn was considered helpful aginst Freeza and trained his ass for 3 years and even so is only 145,000? Come on man.

Yamcha is ridiculously low; he trained for 3 years man; give more credit for the humans.

Goku was 155 to 170? He trained with Gohan and Piccolo for 3 years - give a greater increase.

(Super Saiyan) – 170,000,000
(Sick) – 35,000,000

Goku SSJ Sick is stronger than Goku SSJ(trunks saga) - Look at the reaction of Ten.

#19 – 20,000,000

19 is too low; if he was so weak the Z warriors would quickly notice that they were not the real androids; the same goes for 20.

Piccolo – 100,000,000
(without weights) – 135,000,000

Piccolo was confident against androids far stronger than Trunks SSJ and is only Mecha Freeza level? No way! place him stronger than Goku SSJ(yardrat saga).

#18 – 180,000,000

Too small the gap between 18 and Vegeta; since 18 get seriously she treated Vegeta as a child.

Imperfect Cell – 150,000,000

Imperfect Cell must be stronger than Vegeta SSJ; Vegeta himself admitted to have been surpassed.

17 – 190,000,000
Imperfect Cell – 150,000,000
(humans absorbed) – 210,000,000

Seriously you have only a 10% gap between 17 and Imperfect Cell/16??? The Piccolo amplified attack didn't do crap... The fight suggests at least 1.5x gap.

16 – 210,000,000
Semi-Perfect Cell – 240,000,000

Semi Perfect Cell destroyed 16 instantly and you have 16 being 87.5% of Semi Cell? no way.


Seriously you have MSSJ Goku below 1 billion? this is ridiculous.



There are many things on your list that need urgent repair man; sorry.

[ahill1]

IMO Gogeta SSJ4 >>>>> Whiss

Piccolo >> Yakon >> East Kaioshin.

[ahill1]

Gogeta SSJ4 GT would one - shot Whiss IMO

[ahill1]

To Kaboom:

Why do you think Gotenks SSJ3 stronger than Super Buu?

Golden Freeza is stronger than Goku SSJGS ? It's stated?

Also i don't think 2 warriors at 70 could fight evenly with a warrior at 100.

Overall great list!

[ahill1]

Gogeta SSJ4 GT would one - shot Whiss IMO

It's extremely unlikely that this speculation holds any truth.

-We know Beerus was worlds above SSJ Vegetto, who's merely been stated to be on par with SSJ4 Goku.

-While Omega Shenron stood leagues above SSJ Goku, the latter still endured quite a beating from the former without immediately keeling over. This likely shows that the gap between the two is not nearly as wide as Beerus and SSJ Vegetto / SSJ4 Goku.

-Even with the usage of his Big Bang Kamehameha, SSJ4 Gogeta was unable to secure his victory against Omega Shenron. Whis outclassed this moment of failure when he rendered Beerus unconscious with an effortless chop. Based on the implied gap between the destroyer and Vegetto (who's on par with SSJ4), he sits a few notches above the Shadow Dragon, who again didn't perform so impressively against a duo of SSJ4's. Therefore, nonchalantly taking down Beerus holds far more value than simply kicking Omega Shenron around.

Who said Vegetto SSJ = Goku SSJ4? Like SSJ2FutureGohan said, it could be a comparison between Vegetto and SSJ4 in general, like the "boosts" provided by each. Hell IMO even Goku SSJ4(vs Baby) would win against Whiss swimmingly.

[ahill1]

IMO Goku compared Rildo to Buuhan, so Goku base(GT) > Buuhan.

Buuhan 1

Rildo 1,2

Goku base 1,3
~SSJ 65
~SSJ2 130
~SSJ3 520
~SSJ4 5,200

So Goku SSJ4 is 5,200x stronger than Buuhan.

Beerus used ~5% of his power to defeat Goku SSJ3(BoG), which is way, way, way weaker than Goku SSJ3(GT); Therefore Goku SSJ4(GT vs Baby) is way stronger than Beerus. Unless Vegeta SSJ2 Enranged >>>>>>> Goku SSJ3.

[ahill1]

SSJ Vegetto mada a solid proof that Goku compared Rildo to Buuhan.

[ahill1]

As I said in another topic...Rild's initial display of power is enough for Goku to tell his ki is larger than Majin Boo's. It could be any Majin Boo, really. We could try to rationalize this in many possible ways, like Trunks not knowing any forms of Majin Boo besides Evil Boo and Fat Boo, Pan only knowing Fat Boo, or as I believe Pure Boo. But there is no problem with people assuming Gohan Boo and Gotenks Boo are Majin Boo. It's still inside his capabilities to power-up by absorbing powerful people and Rildo seems to have a similar ability when absorbing fluid metal.

Right, but he was claiming there was solid proof he meant Gohan Buu...while I was saying there wasn't any definitive proof for any particular form of Buu.

SSJ Vegetto is a debater lol. I should have specified better - my bad. Here he's called by SSJ2FutureGohan.

[ahill1]

Gohan Boo is extremely weak compared to Beerus, so I don't know how that's proof of anything.

Hell, BoG arc Vegetto is extremely weak compared to Beerus.

Vegeta forced Beerus to use 10% of their strength, unless furious Vegeta is stronger than Buuhan.

[ahill1]

Gohan Boo is extremely weak compared to Beerus, so I don't know how that's proof of anything.

Hell, BoG arc Vegetto is extremely weak compared to Beerus.

Vegeta forced Beerus to use 10% of their strength, unless furious Vegeta is stronger than Buuhan.

He is. Enraged Vegeta is at the very least as strong as SS Vegetto.

Yeah I really don't know.

[ahill1]

Well, why use a weaker Boo as an example of why he is excited to fight Rild? And if Gohan were stronger than the form of Boo Goku is referencing, why even reference Boo instead of Gohan?

Agreed, well put, Goku is compared Rild to Gohan Buu IMO.

If Rild is stronger than Buuhan so Goku SSJ4 would be way, way stronger than SSJ Vegetto(buu saga), right?

Where do you guys have Base Vegetto(buu saga)? Dai Kaioshin said that if Goku and Gohan fused through Potara they would be able to beat Gotenks Buu in base. This means Vegetto base can beat Gotenks Buu as well? Unless Gokan(potara fusion) >>>> Vegetto(potara fusion).

[ahill1]

Kibito = Goku SSJ(yardrat saga)
East Kaioshin = Vegeta SSJ(android arc)
South Kaioshin = Kid Trunks SSJ(buu saga)

What do you guys think?

Goku SSJ(yardrat saga) 280,000,000
Kibito 280,000,000
Vegeta SSJ(android arc) 500,000,000
East Kaioshin 560,000,000
Kid Trunks SSJ 37,500,000,000
South Kaioshin 37,500,000,000

[ahill1]

Kibito = Goku SSJ(yardrat saga)
East Kaioshin = Vegeta SSJ(android arc)
South Kaioshin = Kid Trunks SSJ(buu saga)

What do you guys think?

Goku SSJ(yardrat saga) 280,000,000
Kibito 280,000,000
Vegeta SSJ(android arc) 500,000,000
East Kaioshin 560,000,000
Kid Trunks SSJ 37,500,000,000
South Kaioshin 37,500,000,000

Kibito couldn't even budge the Z-Sword; I would place him no higher than a fifth Freeza's full power on Namek. As for Base Gohan, I have him somewhere around 30% of the tyrant's true power (Namek).

Do you think South Kaioshin weaker than Gohan SSJ(buu saga)?

[ahill1]

Dragon Ball power levels - ignoring scouters

Dragon balls arc

Kuririn 7

Yamcha 9

Goku 10

Gyumao 20

Roshi 30




21st Budokai

Yamcha 12

Giran 16

Kuririn 20

Namu 28.5

Goku 30

Roshi 30




Red Ribbon arc part 1

Colonel Silver 10

Ninja Murasaki 20

Sergeant Metallic 27

Goku 30

Android 8 40




Red Ribbon arc part 2

Kuririn 20

Pirate Robot 24

General Blue 27

Bora 27

Goku 36

Tao Pai Pai 75

Goku(post karin training) 83




Uranai Baba arc

Dracula Man 10.6

Invisible Man 11

Yamcha 12

Kuririn 20

Mummy 36

Akkuman 54

Son Gohan 80

Son Goku 83




22nd Budokai

Panputt 36

Chapa-o 83

Chaozu 95

Yamcha 97.5

Kuririn 100

Tsuru 120

Roshi 139

Tenshinhan 180

Goku
~initial 100
~little more serious(vs kuririn) 120
~speedup 155
~Full power 180




Piccolo Daimao arc

Roshi(young) 155
Tsuru(young) 155
Mutaito 170

Kuririn 100

Cymbal 110

Tambourine 145

Yajirobe 160

Karin 170

Tenshinhan 180

Goku 180

Drum 300

Piccolo Daimao Old
~40% 360
~100% 900

Piccolo Daimao Young
~initial 1,200
~Full power 1,800

Goku(post water) 1,800

Mr Popo 4,000

Kami-Sama 12,000




23rd Budokai

Chapa-o 110

Chaozu 800

Yajirobe 840

Chi Chi 900

Yamcha 1,440

Kuririn 1,500

Tenshinhan 2,200

Shen 12,000

Kami-Sama 12,000

Goku
~weighted
------------strength 2,200
------------speed 1,800
~unweighted(vs ten) 3,400
~tenshinhan's estimation 6,800
~vs Piccolo(warm up) 12,500
~full power 20,000

Piccolo
~initial 1,600
~little more serious 1,800
~vs Shen 13,000
~vs Goku(warm up) 13,000
~full power 20,000

[ahill1]

Freeza arc

Kuririn 215,000

Trunks arc

Yamcha 150,000

Tenshinhan 200,000

Kuririn 250,000

Android arc

Yamcha 4,000,000

Tenshinhan 5,000,000

Kuririn 6,000,000

[ahill1]

Raditz arc

Spoiler:

Roshi 139

Chaozu 145

Yamcha 177

Tenshinhan 250

Mr Popo 275

Kami 310

Piccolo
~Weighted 322
~W/o weights 408
~Makankôsappô 1,330

Son Goku
~Weighted 334
~W/o weights 416
~Kamehame-ha 924

Raditz 1,250

Enma 2,500

Kaio 3,500

Vegeta arc

Spoiler:

Yajirobe 800

Chaozu 1,000

Son Gohan 1,200

Saibaiman 1,200

Yamcha 1,350

Kuririn 1,500

Tenshinhan 1,800

Piccolo 2,250

Son Gohan ( Enranged ) 2,500
~Masenko 2,800

Nappa
~Initial 3,000
~Full power 8,000

Son Goku
~base 8,050
~Kaioken 16,100
~Kaioken x3 24,150
~Kaioken x4 32,200

Vegeta 18,000
~Oozaru - less than 180,000

Namek arc

Spoiler:

Kuririn
~Weighted 1,500
~W/o weights 1,750

Son Gohan 1,500

Nameks warriors 3,000

Cui 18,000

Dodoria 20,000

Zarbon
~Initial 22,000
~Monster 28,000

Vegeta
~Initial 24,000
~Zenkai 30,000

Ginyu arc part 1

Spoiler:

Gurd 9,000

Kuririn 13,000

Son Gohan 14,000

Vegeta 30,000

Recoome 40,000

Butta 40,000

Jheese 40,000

Ginyu
~Initial 66,000
~Full power 120,000

Son Goku
~Vs ginyus 66,000
~Full power 90,000
~Kaioken 180,000

Ginyu arc part 2

Spoiler:

Ginyu-Goku 23,000

Kuririn 23,000

Son Gohan 26,000

Jheese 40,000

Nail 42,000

Vegeta 52,500

Freeza arc part 1

Spoiler:

Kuririn 215,000

Son Gohan 250,000

Piccolo
~Weighted 275,000
~W/o weights 300,000

Vegeta 500,000

Freeza ( 1st form ) 530,000

Freeza arc part 2

Spoiler:

Son Gohan 250,000
~Enranged 1,000,000

Freeza ( 2nd form )
~Initial 1,060,000
~Vs Gohan 1,200,000
~Full power 1,400,000

Piccolo ( post fusion w/Nail )
~Weighted 1,250,000
~W/o weights 1,500,000

Son Gohan ( Zenkai ) 500,000
~Enranged 1,600,000
~Masenko 1,800,000

Freeza ( 3rd form ) 1,850,000

Vegeta ( Zenkai ) 2,400,000

Freeza ( final form )
~Initial 2,400,000
~Speedup 3,250,000
~50% 70,000,000
~70% 98,000,000
~100% 140,000,000

Son Goku
~base 3,000,000
~Kaioken x10 30,000,000
~Kaioken x20 60,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 150,000,000

Trunks arc

Spoiler:

Yamcha 150,000

Tenshinhan 200,000

Kuririn 250,000

Son Gohan 500,000

Piccolo 4,000,000

Vegeta 4,400,000

King Cold 75,000,000

Mecha Freeza
~Suppressed 80,000,000
~Full power ( unseen ) 160,000,000

Future Trunks
~base 4,800,000
~Super Saiyajin 240,000,000

Son Goku
~base 5,600,000
~Super Saiyajin 280,000,000

Android arc

Spoiler:

Yamcha 4,000,000

Tenshinhan 5,000,000

Kuririn 6,000,000

Son Gohan 8,000,000

Android 19 260,000,000
~Post absorptions 325,000,000

Android 20 290,000,000
~Post absorptions 350,000,000

Piccolo 400,000,000

Future Trunks
~base 9,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 450,000,000

Son Goku
~base 9,600,000
~Super Saiyajin 480,000,000
~Super Saiyajin sick 336,000,000

Vegeta
~base 10,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 500,000,000

Android 18 720,000,000

Android 17 800,000,000

Cell arc

Spoiler:

Imperfect Cell ( Ginger Town ) 600,000,000

Android 17 800,000,000

Kamiccolo
~Weighted 720,000,000
~W/o weights 800,000,000

Imperfect Cell ( Post absorptions ) 1,600,000,000

Semi Cell 3,250,000,000
~Full power 4,550,000,000

Vegeta
~base 65,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 3,250,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Dai Ni Dankai 6,500,000,000

Future Trunks
~base 60,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 3,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Dai Ni Dankai 6,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Dai San Dankai 12,000,000,000

Perfect Cell ( warm up ) 10,000,000,000

Son Goku
~base 720,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( "about half" ~ 52% ) 19,000,000,000

Cell Games

Spoiler:

Android 16 1,600,000,000

Kamiccolo 20,000,000,000

Future Trunks
~base 444,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 22,200,000,000

Vegeta
~base 450,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 22,500,000,000

Cell Jr 23,500,000,000

Son Goku
~Super Saiyajin ( warm up ) 10,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 100% ) 36,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( Vs Cell Jr ) 15,000,000,000

Perfect Cell
~Warm up 10,000,000,000
~Vs Goku 40,500,000,000
~Vs Gohan 54,000,000,000
~Full power 72,000,000,000
~Zenkai 102,000,000,000

Son Gohan
~base 1,080,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 54,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 2 ) 108,000,000,000

Buu saga

25th Budokai

Spoiler:

Yamcha 4,000,000

Kuririn 6,000,000

Android 18 720,000,000

Kamiccolo 22,500,000,000

Son Goten
~base 720,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 36,000,000,000

Trunks
~base 750,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 37,500,000,000

Son Gohan
~base 810,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 40,500,000,000

Babidi arc

Spoiler:

Kaioshin 500,000,000

Pui Pui 600,000,000

Yakon 1,200,000,000

Dabura 40,500,000,000

Son Gohan Super Saiyajin 40,500,000,000

Vegeta
~base 960,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 48,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 2 ) 96,000,000,000

Fat Buu arc

Spoiler:

Son Goku
~base 1,200,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 60,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 2 ) 120,000,000,000

Majin Vegeta
~Super Saiyajin 60,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 2 ) 120,000,000,000

Fat Buu 400,000,000,000

Son Goku Super Saiyajin ( 3 ) 480,000,000,000

Gotenks
~base 132,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 600,000,000,000

Fusion arc

Spoiler:

Fat Buu 400,000,000,000

Good Buu 160,000,000,000

Evil Buu 240,000,000,000

Super Buu 360,000,000,000,000

Son Goten ( Post rosat )
~base 960,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 48,000,000,000

Trunks ( Post rosat )
~base 960,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 48,000,000,000

Gotenks ( Post rosat )
~base 1,000,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 50,000,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 3 ) 400,000,000,000,000

Mystic Gohan 540,000,000,000,000

Buutenks 760,000,000,000,000

Buuhan 900,000,000,000,000

Vegetto
~base 54,000,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 2,700,000,000,000,000

Buff Buu 450,000,000,000,000

Kid Buu arc

Spoiler:

Vegeta
~base 1,200,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 60,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 2 ) 120,000,000,000

Good Buu 160,000,000,000

Kid Buu 468,000,000,000

Son Goku
~base 1,200,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 60,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 3 ) 480,000,000,000

End of Z arc

Spoiler:

Yamcha 4,000,000

Kuririn 6,000,000

Kamiccolo 27,000,000,000

Mr Buu 160,000,000,000

Uub ( Enranged ) 468,000,000,000

Vegeta
~base 448,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 22,400,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 2 ) 44,800,000,000,000

Son Goku
~base 480,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 24,000,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 2 ) 48,000,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 3 ) 192,000,000,000,000

Son Gohan 540,000,000,000,000

[ahill1]

I can't recall at the moment, but wasn't Cell talking condescendingly to Freeza and laughing when Goku was schooling him?

You think the gap between Base Rild and Hyper Mega Rild is that gargantuan? From Innocent/Pure Boo level all the way to Evil Boo+ levels?

Freeza and Cell don't have to be above Rild, it's just my opinion that they are.

You forgot Dragonball Super, Battle of Gods, Fukkatsu no F & Yo Son Goku. Because of these new movies your EOZ levels are horribly inaccurate.

My power levels?

[ahill1]

Vegeta
~Base 24,000,000
~Ssj 1,200,000,000

Trunks
~Base 24,000,000
~Ssj 1,200,000,000

Cell Junioer
~Full Power 1,300,000,000

Vegeta and Trunks vs Cell Jr was not a one sided fight. They were almost equals. I have Vegeta being 96% of Cell Jr and Trunks being 94~95% of Cell Jr.

Cell Games

Gohan SSJ 150

Goku SSJ 100

Cell Jr 62.5

Vegeta SSJ 60

Trunks SSJ 59

Kamiccolo 53