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1. Gohan was implied to be weaker than those saibaman clones 4 of which were took down by Master roshi alone. No matter how scared , saiyan saga gohan would stomp roshi easily.Bullza wrote:Power level wise. I don't see anything that could suggest Dr Wheelo is weaker than Nappa.
2. Roshi put up a fight against 3 bio warriors of dr wheelo. The same warriors could give goku hell.
3. Enraged gohan was stronger than Piccolo or goku and was implied to be stronger than KaioKen x2 or x3 (can't remember) goku.
4. Base goku and Piccolo were exactly even.
These points suggest that the power levels were almost BoZ level. While Goku knew kaioken and had trained with king kai, it is clear that his base power has been only slightly affected, if at all. Similarly, Piccolo has trained Gohan briefly, but not completely, because Gohan still needs rage to bring out his power.
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Freeza would never hold back his power against a Super Saiyan. He does say he powered up, but at the exact same time, he was said to be far beneath his real power by GOhan.DanielSSJ wrote:I do not buy this at all, considering Freeza straight-up says that he's stronger than before in the manga. Maybe Freeza never got the opportunity to power up to full, but there's no way he's weaker than before.apex_pretador wrote:Mecha freeza around 50 million (no, i do not consider mecha freeza being stronger than FP freeza at all, due to Gohan's comment, due to his battle against trunks and performance of 100% freeza against SS goku)
When he fired blast against SS Trunks, he seemed fully convinced that it "killed" trunks, despite knowing how powerful Super Saiyans are. It means one of the two things:
1. He powered up if he wasn't at full power, and not powered up if he was already at full power. Then he blasted his best shot to kill a super saiyan. If this is true, it means that either Trunks is infinitely far above Namek Goku in power, or Freeza's power is not actually anywhere near 100% from namek, where he was also damaged.
2. He thought he had powered up so much that a casual highly suppressed ki blast easily can vaporize a Super Saiyan. If this is true, it means either trunks is infinitely far above Namek goku and so is full power mecha freeza, or what mecha freeza thinks is ridiculous.
Now, we do know that Trunks is not infinitely far beyond Namek goku. How? Gohan. He mistakes Trunks for goku, and the last time he sensed goku was on namek. He even says that he has THE SAME KI as goku had on namek. Which means that trunks = damaged goku on namek.
Before you say "he said same ki, not same size of ki" , he said same ki , not similar ki which means same. And Toriyama would have never inserted such a direct quote without it being a reference to power of trunks.
And if you still disregard it, remember that Gohan does not note that goku (trunks) has gotten noticeably stronger since namek, let alone much, much stronger.
It is further strengthened by the fact that when Goku returns, he says he had extremely limited time on Yadrat, due to the fact that he used the time to master IT. He is also not noted to have become significantly stronger. This goku turns out to be superior to Future trunks. He actualy "far exceeds" what trunks thought.He even blocked trunks's sword strike with one finger.
Before you call it a day, you must also remember how "Piccolo saves Gohan" appears like a precog vision to Gohan,since this hasn't happened already.That seems like an unnecessary complicated explanation for a few power discrepancies. I find it's easier to say "Toei doesn't know/care jack about power scaling" and call it a day.
Or you could just say Toie doesn't give a shit about the movie supposed to be post king kai training and call it a day.
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The problem is, freeza powered up heavily after Gohan stopped him. Then he powered up again after piccolo stomped him, then he beat down piccolo. But piccolo still didn't take him seriously. And when freeza enters his third form, he totally humiliated him.ekrolo2 wrote:I think making the power increase between Freeza's forms 500 000 a piece makes more sense. By having third form Freeza at 1,590,000 you can make his projected PL for Vegeta at slightly above 2 million and Vegeta's Zenkai roughly 500,000 above that, thus giving him the idea that his last Zenkai can do the job.
Freeza – 530,000
Second Form – 1,060,000
Third Form – 1,590,000
True Form (according to Vegeta's projections) – 2,120,000
Actual True Form - 3,000,000
50% Power – 60,000,000
70% Power – 84,000,000
100% Power – 120,000,000
Krillin's power was also steadily rising as he fought Freeza as stated by Vegeta and equalled about 75,000 when all was said and done according to the daizenshuu.
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Buuhan - 10Noah wrote:On scales of 1 to 10, how would you put these characters:
Super Vegetto
Super Boo-han
Super Boo-tenks
Ultimate Gohan
SSJ3 Gotenks
Super Boo
Fat Boo
Grey Boo
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ2 Vegeta (after Majin Boost)
I'm mainly asking because, I don't remember much about the manga, but Super Boo is supposed to be already leagues beyond SSJ3 Goku's power, right? So why didn't SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta didn't instant died attempting to fight Boo-han? Isn't the gap just too wide?
Buutenks - 9.5
Super vegetto - Over 40
Gohan - 5.8
Gotenks - 5.3
Super buu - 4
Buff buu - 5
Kid buu - 3.5 (full power) , 3 (initial)
SS3 goku - 3 (Full power) , 2 (against fat buu)
Fat buu - 1.6
Majin vegeta - Around 1
I did it once, do you want to see my numbers?Sailor Haumea wrote:Anyone wanna do anime PLs (+ movies and specials)?
I don't list seperate powers for attacks. For me, the power rising while usnig attacks is because the said attacks bringing out more power. So, if KaioKen x20 goku is 50 million, then his kamehameha won't be 120 million or something like that.DBZ Macky wrote: On that note, what powar levuls would you people give to the following:
Enma Daio
Kuririn (Base Power)
Kuririn (Rage Boost?)
Kuririn (That-Attack-He-Used-To-Kill-The-Saibamen)
Chaozu (Base Power)
Chaozu (Pre Self Destruct)
Chaozu (Self Destruct)
Tenshinhan (Base Power)
Tenshinhan (Pre Kikoho)
Tenshinhan (Kikoho)
Kuririn (Kienzan)
Piccolo (Base Power)
Piccolo (Makankorikimaha? That attack which looks like both Bakurikimaha and Makankosappo combined)
Gohan (Base Power)
Gohan (Rage Boost / Pre Masenko)
Banan, Sui and Appule
It is because kami told them to conserve their energies.
It is the same as how KaioKen x3 goku (22000 and dropping) kamehameha (by THAT scaling should be 50,000) stalemated Vegeta's galick gun (well below 18000 due to damage)
Makankosappo is different because all that charging thing.
Anyways, assuming you mean saiyan battle, I put krillin around 1600 at full power.
Chiaotzu around 900, self destruct 2000 or higher. Possibly 2500
Tenshinhan at 1650 , with one hand 1300 and kikoho reaching 2200
Piccolo at 2600
Gohan (calm) at 1200, angry at 2800
Gohan (post zenkai) at 3000 (calm), enraged around 4000
Nappa around 5600
At 6000, with nappa at 5600Bullza wrote:What do you guys have Saiyan Saga Vegeta at after he turns back into human after having his tail chopped off?
Above Nappa? Below
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I have full power perfect cell exactly 10 times strong as full power freezaTheUltimateNinja wrote:How big would you say the gap is between 100% Frieza and Cell's various forms?
Personally I have:
Imperfect Cell (Initial): 3.33x Frieza
Imperfect Cell (Energy absorbed): 6.25x Frieza.
Semi Perfect Cell (Initial): 8.33x Frieza.
Semi Perfect Cell (Full Power): 10x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Initial): 12x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Warming up): 12.5-14x Frieza
Buff Cell: 16.66x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Vs Goku Initial): 20x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Vs Goku): 32.5x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Vs Gohan): 35.5x Frieza
FP Perfect Cell: 42.5x Frieza
Power Weighted Cell: 50x Frieza
Super Perfect Cell: 70x Frieza
And full power kid buu exactly 10 times as strong as full power cell, i.e. 12 billion.
While I don't put much stock into daizenshuu numbers, you can justify it by krillin being enraged and at full power while Zarbon instance is krillin at slightly below full power. Plus, gohan could be at 1350 or something like that, while krillin could be 1700.Bullza wrote:Does Gohan and Krillin releasing their Ki on Namek and both being around 1,500 contradict the Daizenshuu numbers that have Krillin at 1,770?
He surely got stronger after the image training with Gohan so 1,500 seems too low if you take those Daizenshuu numbers into account.
Kamehameha doesn't increase battle power. It releases full power at once.Bullza wrote:I checked. They indeed have Saibaman at 1,200 and Vegeta at 18,000, their normal power levels but then have Gohan at 2,800 which is when he does the Masenko.
For some reason Piccolo is as high as 3,500 which isn't far off Nappa even though he said he had no chance against him and that Gohan was stronger than him if he had to be.
Piccolo should be at 2,500 instead.
They don't really make much sense. At the start of Z Goku's power level was 416 and he could do Kamehameha's at over 900.
So if Goku using Kaioken x4 was at 32,000 then why is his Kamehameha not at above 70,000? The Daizenshuu shows a picture of Kaioken x4 Goku using a Kamehameha but still has that at 32,000 but then it just has a picture of Gohan and says that's 2,800 but when that was when he did a move.
If Frieza at 50% was at 60 million then why did Goku using Kaioken x20 which also put him at 60 million not kill Frieza with a Kamehameha that should have been over 100 million?
So, 924 is goku's full power level. 416 is his calm / suppressed power lvl. Kami told him to not waste movements, so if he is walking around with power level of 924, he will waste a lot of energy.
There is a reason why even an, tired injured piccolo is powerful enough to stomp fresh tien, Krillin, Kami , Yamcha and roshi at the same time.
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WHy would it make piccolo much stronger than goku?Bullza wrote:Wouldn't that make Piccolo significantly stronger than Goku then?Kamehameha doesn't increase battle power. It releases full power at once.
And what about Vegeta at 18,000 being able to match blasts with Goku using Kaioken x3 at 24,000. Vegeta couldn't suppress his Ki like that.
Makankosappo (if you are talking about it) actually increases the battle power. It charges & gathers ki. From what I remember (although I may be mistaken), when piccolo gathers ki, the reading starts increasing around 1000. This means his true BP is around 1000, like goku.
Goku was rapidly losing power due to using kaioken x3. King kai explicitly stated that his body can't hope to handle kaioken x3. This is why he was able to only barely match galick gun, which, by that point, would have been no more than around 16000-17000. This means that his kaioken x4 kamehameha at that point should have been around 23000.
It is around the same level as Namek saga vegeta was. A prolonged exposure, or a direct off guard hit from this level of attack could have taken out vegeta. He was lucky that he wasn't off-guard and he jumped out of beam's way after being hit by it.
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It exploded at 22000 from what I remember (like several scouters on namek) . Maybe 22000 was the peak of some scouters?Bullza wrote:Ehhh I don't know about any of that. Raditz said Goku's Kamehameha was at 924 and rising so wouldn't that be charging just the same?
I don't recall anything about Goku rapidly losing power. When he used Kaioken x3 Bulma was checking his power level and watched at it reached 21,000 before exploding and it was only shortly after he did the Kamehameha.
Anyways, goku did several blows at vegeta, who got angry. I think it was mentioned about goku losing power, not sure though (by goku himself)
But again, his body was all buffed up, showing he had more power than his body can handle.
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TheUltimateNinja wrote:[spoiler]How do you fit the gaps in the Cell Saga with FP Cell being so weak? Even if you lowball the Z fighters and initial Cell massively you can't make it fit.apex_pretador wrote:I have full power perfect cell exactly 10 times strong as full power freezaTheUltimateNinja wrote:How big would you say the gap is between 100% Frieza and Cell's various forms?
Personally I have:
Imperfect Cell (Initial): 3.33x Frieza
Imperfect Cell (Energy absorbed): 6.25x Frieza.
Semi Perfect Cell (Initial): 8.33x Frieza.
Semi Perfect Cell (Full Power): 10x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Initial): 12x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Warming up): 12.5-14x Frieza
Buff Cell: 16.66x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Vs Goku Initial): 20x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Vs Goku): 32.5x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Vs Gohan): 35.5x Frieza
FP Perfect Cell: 42.5x Frieza
Power Weighted Cell: 50x Frieza
Super Perfect Cell: 70x Frieza
And full power kid buu exactly 10 times as strong as full power cell, i.e. 12 billion.
Here's some lowballed powerscaling w/ BP/Freeza's.
SSJ Vegeta: 180 million/1.5 Freeza's
Imperfect Cell (Initial): 180 million/1.5 Freeza's.
18: 210 million million/1.75 Freeza's.
17: 210 million/1.75 Freeza's.
Kamiccolo: 210 million/1.75 Freeza's.
16: 280 million/2.33 Freeza's.
Cell (Energy): 280 million/2.33 Freeza's.
Semi Perfect Cell (Initial): 400 million/ 3.33 Freeza's
SSJ Vegeta: 400 million/3.33 Freeza's
Super Vegeta: 600 million/5 Freeza's
Semi Perfect Cell (Full Power): 490 million/4.08 Freeza's.
Perfect Cell (Initial): 630 million/5.25 Freeza's
Grade 3 Trunks: 720 million/ 6 Freeza's
Perfect Cell (Warmed up): 700 million/ 5.83 Freeza's
MSSJ Goku (50%): 600 million/5 Freeza's
MSSJ Goku: 1.2 billion/10 Freeza's
Cell (Vs Goku): 1.32 billion/11 Freeza's
MSSJ Gohan: 1.44 billion/ 12 Freeza's
See? Even if you greatly reduce their power at the start due to the huge gaps in the Cell Saga FP Cell has to be more than 10x Frieza.[/spoiler]
In millions
Freeza (full power) = 120 million
Super Saiyan vegeta = 150
Android 18 = 185
Android 17 = 195, Battle worn = 190
Kamiccolo = 200, Battle worn = 188
Imperfect cell = 175 , post absorption = 235
Semi perfect cell = 320, Full power = 360
SUPER vegeta = 420
SUPER trunks = 406, bulked up = 580
Suppressed perfect cell = 470, bulk up = 580
Goku (around half) = 450, FP = 800
FP perfect cell = 1200, bulked up = 1450
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Well, just like most other guidebook numbers, I disregsard 150 million number for namek SS goku, and base it solely on the battle which lasted over 9 chapters.TheUltimateNinja wrote: SSJ Vegeta can't be only 150 million, he was said to have surpassed Goku who became considerably stronger than before after the years of training, and even before then he was stronger than Trunks who was stronger than him on Namek.
Vegeta > Goku >> Yardrat Goku > Trunks > Namek Goku => Mecha Frieza > Frieza.
Imperfect Cell Post Absorption can't be that weak either, he was equal in power to 16 who far surpassed Piccolo and 17, and he easily tanked a Light Grenade from Piccolo which had enough power to destroy 17 without even flinching, he then proceeded to effortlessly thrash Piccolo, these feats are not possible with such a small advantage in power.
After training 3 years, goku and vegeta reach 150 million number.
Imperfect cell (post) is already far above battle worn piccolo, to the point he can tank his strongest attack without any damage.T he gap I have is around vegeta vs cui and bigger than vegeta vs dodoria.
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Gohan (SS2) = 2, rage boost = 2.2TheUltimateNinja wrote: Alright, but how do you get Kid Buu being 10x stronger than Cell? He was slightly weaker than SSJ3 Goku's full power, and Goku didn't get that much stronger than Gohan since the Cell Games so at best Buu would be around ~8x stronger than FP Cell.
Vegeta (SS2) = 1.9 (pre M), 2.4 (M)
Goku (SS2) = 2.4 , SS3 (Full power) = 9.6
Kid buu (initial) = 10
Kid buu (full power, revealed when he is serious while pushignagainst spirit bomb) = 12
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Show me.TheUltimateNinja wrote:But Goku says he could have won the fight if he went all out from the start.apex_pretador wrote:Gohan (SS2) = 2, rage boost = 2.2TheUltimateNinja wrote: Alright, but how do you get Kid Buu being 10x stronger than Cell? He was slightly weaker than SSJ3 Goku's full power, and Goku didn't get that much stronger than Gohan since the Cell Games so at best Buu would be around ~8x stronger than FP Cell.
Vegeta (SS2) = 1.9 (pre M), 2.4 (M)
Goku (SS2) = 2.4 , SS3 (Full power) = 9.6
Kid buu (initial) = 10
Kid buu (full power, revealed when he is serious while pushignagainst spirit bomb) = 12
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More like a supercharging thing lik piccolo did against raditz. To me, it looked like similar situations (goku & his rival fail, one has to take the beatdown while the other charges up), except that goku's power is much closer to kid buu.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Upon checking the manga, it seems that that's an anime line. But in the manga he does say he could defeat Buu if he could access his full power, but using SSJ3 in a living body is too draining and he's unable to draw out his maximum ki. It's when Goku tells Vegeta he'll need 1 minute to build up his ki, but then after powering up for a while he says he got close to full power but suddenly his energy started disappearing.apex_pretador wrote:Show me.TheUltimateNinja wrote: But Goku says he could have won the fight if he went all out from the start.
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Seems pretty balanced except the only issues I have:TheUltimateNinja wrote:Dragon Ball:
First Hunt:
Goku: 20
Bear thief: 8
Roshi: 50
Oolong: 10
Goku (Hungry & exhausted): 14
Yamcha: 16
Ox King: 30
Roshi (Max Power): 100
Oozaru Goku: 200
Kuririn: 12
21st Tenkaichi Budokai:
Goku: 80
Goku (Match level): 60-70
Kuririn: 65
Jackie Chun: 80
Orin temple bullies: 10
Bacterian: 15
Yamcha: 50
Nam: 60
Giran: 40
Goku (Exhausted): 50
Oozaru Goku: 500
Jackie Chun (Max power): 160
Red Ribbon Army:
Launch: 3
Blonde Launch: 9
Colonel Silver: 40
Major Metallitron: 70
Murasaki & bros: 35-50
Eighter: 80
Buyon: 90
General White: 15
Kuririn: 60
General Blue: 75
Pirate Robot: 65
Arale: Gag
Commander Red:
Bora: 70
Upa: 55
Goku: 85
Tao Pai Pai: 100
Korin: 120
Goku (Post Korin): 120
Black: 35
Robot suit Black: 110
Uranai Baba Arc:
Goku: 120
Kuririn: 65
Fangs the vampire: 75
Invisible man: 50
Yamcha: 57.5
Bandages: 90
Spike the Devilman: 85
Gohan: 100
22nd Tenkaichi Budokai:
Goku: 180
Goku (Match level): 125-160
Kuririn: 125
Yamcha: 110
Chiaotzu: 95
Roshi: 120
Roshi (Buff): 160
Tenshinhan: 175
Tenshinhan (Match level): 130-170
Tsuru Sennin: 100
King Chappa: 100
Man-Wolf: 16
Pamput: 30
Piccolo Daimao:
Tambourine: 140
Kuririn (Exhausted): 100
Goku (Hungry & Exhausted): 120
Mutaito: 115
Cymbal: 110
Piano: 90
Yajirobe: 180
Goku (Full strength): 195
Piccolo Daimao (Old): 220
Goku (Post Daimao): 210
Tenshinhan (Post Mafuba training): 190
Drum: 215
Piccolo Daimao (Young): 275
Goku (Divine Water): 280
23rd Tenkaichi Budokai:
Popo: 320
Kami: 350
Goku: 320
Piccolo Jr.: 320
Kuririn: 280[*]
Yamcha: 220
Tenshinhan: 320
Chiaotzu: 170
Cyborg Tao: 220
King Chappa: 180
Hero (Suppressed): 200
Hero (Serious): 280
Goku (Full power, weights off): 400
Piccolo (Full power, weights off): 390
- Krillin should be significantly weaker than "bullies" were
- Upa was a ssmall kid, who was implied to be nothing special. Him being above BoDB goku is extremely far fetched, let alone 21st TB yamcha
- Oolong was pretty weak for a human, he shouldn't be above a 30 ft tall superpowerful bear.
- Also, Baba's fighters before Bandage / mummy man were pretty underwhelming, nowhere near budokai level.
- Akkuman should be stronger than bandage man.
- King chappa is too high. He's nothing to highly suppressed goku, and krillin stalemated a more powerful / less suppressed goku, before he said "I'll go even more all out"
- Less than half power old piccolo?
- Yamcha followed Tien (piccolo daimao speed) movements, Cyborg tao couldn;t keep up with incredibly suppressed Tien's movements.
- Also, their BoZ levels contradict this list.
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Their BoZ levels are most likely suppressed and I therefore elect to ignore them. Also, Piccolo's half power thing is probably referring to his attack as if he was really using less than half power even Kuririn could take him.[/quote]TheUltimateNinja wrote:Seems pretty balanced except the only issues I have:apex_pretador wrote:
- Krillin should be significantly weaker than "bullies" were
- Upa was a ssmall kid, who was implied to be nothing special. Him being above BoDB goku is extremely far fetched, let alone 21st TB yamcha
- Oolong was pretty weak for a human, he shouldn't be above a 30 ft tall superpowerful bear.
- Also, Baba's fighters before Bandage / mummy man were pretty underwhelming, nowhere near budokai level.
- Akkuman should be stronger than bandage man.
- King chappa is too high. He's nothing to highly suppressed goku, and krillin stalemated a more powerful / less suppressed goku, before he said "I'll go even more all out"
- Less than half power old piccolo?
- Yamcha followed Tien (piccolo daimao speed) movements, Cyborg tao couldn;t keep up with incredibly suppressed Tien's movements.
- Also, their BoZ levels contradict this list.
What about other points? Also, Shen (Kami) was said by tenshinhan to be incredibly far above his level at 23rd TB, so let's not act like tenshinhan was superior to him.
Half power doesn't necessarily mean half power level literally. But it still means heavily suppressed.
BoZ levels were not suppressed ones. They didn't even knew to suppress most likely. Krillin said that "Piccolo is 329, he;d slaughter us all" and no indication of suppresed power level is made.
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I think he said something like goku reached the power of SSG again (when he turned blue) without help.DanielSSJ wrote:What wording is that? My watching of Super has been sporadic at best, especially the Battle of Gods and Resurrection F retelling stuff.ZombieVito wrote:I will never understand why people still think SSJ Goku after BoG is equal to SSG.
He's obviously not based on Kaio's wording on episode 24, among other examples.
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I think finally, Anime power levels from DBS have started making sense. I can make a power level list based solely on Anime, with no issues and only minor inconsistencies.
Anyone wants me to do a power level list based on Anime? I'll use Base goten as a scale.
Anyone wants me to do a power level list based on Anime? I'll use Base goten as a scale.
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TheUltimateNinja wrote:Why Base Goten? He's totally irrelevant.apex_pretador wrote:I think finally, Anime power levels from DBS have started making sense. I can make a power level list based solely on Anime, with no issues and only minor inconsistencies.
Anyone wants me to do a power level list based on Anime? I'll use Base goten as a scale.
DBZ Macky wrote:Yep! But how about using Namek Freeza as scale instead? Or just putting up his level as a reference?apex_pretador wrote:I think finally, Anime power levels from DBS have started making sense. I can make a power level list based solely on Anime, with no issues and only minor inconsistencies.
Anyone wants me to do a power level list based on Anime? I'll use Base goten as a scale.
Congratulations on making your list!
I will do this list after this week's episode airs. I hope you all review it.emperior wrote:apex_pretador wrote:I think finally, Anime power levels from DBS have started making sense. I can make a power level list based solely on Anime, with no issues and only minor inconsistencies.
Anyone wants me to do a power level list based on Anime? I'll use Base goten as a scale.
Yeah I would like to see yours, I will also do one myself
I am using base goten because it will be easy to use and using namek freeza would make it difficult (like Goku = 0.34, vegeta = 0.35 etc)
Don't worry, the 3 big bads would not be forgotten.
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It is not impossible.Sailor Haumea wrote:Here's a challenge:
Incorporate power scaling with GT being post-Super.
After the death of everyone in the multiverse, Goku is the only person remaining. He uses super dragon-balls to restore everyone back in time to BoG and make it such that beerus meeting never happened and everyone (including him) has no memories.
Since Goku is on earth, they detect Sorbet trying to wake up freeza, and defeat him, Tagoma and shisami.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
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Okay, here it comes:
Dragon ball super anime power level list, reviews and feedback appreciated
References:
- Base goten = 1 (buu arc, pre WMAT training)
- Kid buu (unrestrained full power) = 2000
- Perfect cell = 200
- Freeza = 20 (100%, uninjured)
- Multiplier (unfused saiyans) = 50x , 100x , 400x base for (mastered) SS1, SS2, SS3 respectively
- Super buu = fat buu + Kid buu
- Buff buu = South Kaioshin + Kid buu
Part 1: Buu arc
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Part 2: Battle of gods:
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Part 3: Revival of freeza
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Part 4: Inter-universal tournament
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** Future trunks with super spirit bomb was able to bisect Merged Zamasu because he became incredibly unstable and the pure good power of spirit bomb, not because he was actually farstronger[/spoiler]
[/spoiler]apex_pretador wrote:TheUltimateNinja wrote:Why Base Goten? He's totally irrelevant.apex_pretador wrote:I think finally, Anime power levels from DBS have started making sense. I can make a power level list based solely on Anime, with no issues and only minor inconsistencies.
Anyone wants me to do a power level list based on Anime? I'll use Base goten as a scale.DBZ Macky wrote:Yep! But how about using Namek Freeza as scale instead? Or just putting up his level as a reference?apex_pretador wrote:I think finally, Anime power levels from DBS have started making sense. I can make a power level list based solely on Anime, with no issues and only minor inconsistencies.
Anyone wants me to do a power level list based on Anime? I'll use Base goten as a scale.
Congratulations on making your list!I will do this list after this week's episode airs. I hope you all review it.emperior wrote:apex_pretador wrote:I think finally, Anime power levels from DBS have started making sense. I can make a power level list based solely on Anime, with no issues and only minor inconsistencies.
Anyone wants me to do a power level list based on Anime? I'll use Base goten as a scale.
Yeah I would like to see yours, I will also do one myself
I am using base goten because it will be easy to use and using namek freeza would make it difficult (like Goku = 0.34, vegeta = 0.35 etc)
Don't worry, the 3 big bads would not be forgotten.
Okay, here it comes:
Dragon ball super anime power level list, reviews and feedback appreciated
References:
- Base goten = 1 (buu arc, pre WMAT training)
- Kid buu (unrestrained full power) = 2000
- Perfect cell = 200
- Freeza = 20 (100%, uninjured)
- Multiplier (unfused saiyans) = 50x , 100x , 400x base for (mastered) SS1, SS2, SS3 respectively
- Super buu = fat buu + Kid buu
- Buff buu = South Kaioshin + Kid buu
Part 1: Buu arc
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- Piccolo = 120
- SS goku = 200 , SS2 = 400 , SS3 = 1200 (against fat buu)
- Skinny buu = 1000
- Fat buu = 650 (vs vegeta), 1000 (max angry), 650 (post split)
- Super buu = 2650 , 2770 (piccolo absorbed)
- SS Gotenks = 750
- SS Gotenks (post ROSAT) = 1500 , SS3 gotenks = 3300
- Buutenks = 6070
- Mystic Gohan = 3600
- Buuhan = 6372
- SUPER vegetto = 15000 (Suppressed) , Full power = 20,000
- Kid buu = 1600 (initially formed) , 1700 (fighting) , 2000 (full power, pushing spirit bomb)
- SS3 goku = 1600 (full power) , over 1800 (supercharged)
Part 2: Battle of gods:
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- Goku SS3 = 4000, base = 10 (half of FP freeza)
- Vegeta SS2 = 1000 (greater than fat buu)
- Piccolo = 122 (little improvement)
- Raging vegeta = 10,000
- Beerus (heavily suppreseed) = 25,000
- Goku (everyone's ki) = 22,000
- SSG Goku (initial) = 10,000,000
- SSG Goku = 40,000,000, full power = 55,700,000
- Beerus (suppressed) = 40,000,000 and increasing according to battle needs
- Beerus 100% = 60,000,000 (lying), potentially close to 10%
Part 3: Revival of freeza
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- Piccolo = 124
- Tagoma = 250, Ginyu = 280
- SS Gotenks = 1400 (a bit weaker than before)
- SS Gohan = 1200, exhausted after moments = 940
- First form freeza = 1600
- Final form freeza (suppressed) = 14,000, hypothetical full power* = 1,000,000
- Goku (base) = 15,000
- Blue Goku = 57,000,000
- Golden freeza = 65,000,000
Part 4: Inter-universal tournament
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- Botamo and Magetta = Hard to place
- Frost (first form) = 3000, assault form = 9600, final form = 25,000, tired = 18,000
- Piccolo = 2200, Special Beam canon = 20,000
- Goku (base) = 7000 (suppressed) , Super Saiyan (heavily suppressed) = 90,000
- Cabba (base) = 4000 , Unmastered Super Saiyan = 100,000
- Hit = 1,000,000 (suppressed) , 53,000,000 (unsuppressed) , 66,000,000 (fully improved)
- SSB Goku = 60,000,000 , battle worn = 55,000,000
- KK x10 SSB Goku = 550,000,000 , post Kamehameha = 400,000,000 and rapidly dropping (Hit was really lucky to have survived that kamehameha)
- Beerus and Champa = Above 550,000,000[/spoiler]
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- SS3 gotenks = 3100
- Copy vegeta = 28,000
- Base goku* = 28,000 (full power)
- Heaily suppressed Beerus (monaka costume) = 25,000*
Goku vs trunks: - Super Saiyan 2 goku = 1,800,000
- Super Saiyan 3 goku = 3,800,000
- Future trunks = 300,000 (SS2) , 3,000 (base)
Goku vs Zamasu: - Unsuppressed SS2 goku = 2,800,000
- Goku Black = 3,400,000, in future = 4,000,000
- Zamasu = 2,000,000
In future: - Goku Black (full power) = 4,200,000
- Super Saiyan (Rose) = 210,000,000
- Super Saiyan blue = 120,000,000
- Future Zamasu = 20,000,000
- Future trunks = 35,000 (base) , 3,500,000 (SS2) , 7,000,000 (mastered SS2) , 140,000,000 (that weird form)
- Vegeta (trained) = 180,000,000
- Merged Zamasu (initial) = 460,000,000
- Merged Zamasu (powered up after goku and vegetrunks did damage him = 1,000,000,000
- Super Vegetto blue = 2,400,000,000
- Merged Zamasu (after vegetto damaged him) = 400,000,000
- Future trunks = 140,000,000 , Super Spirit bomb sword** = 480,000,000
- Zeno = 1970,000,000,000,000,000,000
** Future trunks with super spirit bomb was able to bisect Merged Zamasu because he became incredibly unstable and the pure good power of spirit bomb, not because he was actually farstronger[/spoiler]
