Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

[Bussani]

I fail to see where that contradicts anything I said. I accounted for their momentum, as well as the only force that could possibly be acting on them aside from Supes, stellar gravity.

Acceleration = Force / Mass. The more mass something has, the more force you need to accelerate it. This doesn't change in a vacuum. You can't move a planet with a small amount of force.

[Xyex]

I fail to see where that contradicts anything I said. I accounted for their momentum, as well as the only force that could possibly be acting on them aside from Supes, stellar gravity.

Acceleration = Force / Mass. The more mass something has, the more force you need to accelerate it. This doesn't change in a vacuum. You can't move a planet with a small amount of force.

Again, I accounted for this when I brought up momentum. And also when I said that I'd expect any planet buster to be able to exert that much force. So once more, I don't see where the problem is. I already addressed this stuff.

[Bussani]

I fail to see where that contradicts anything I said. I accounted for their momentum, as well as the only force that could possibly be acting on them aside from Supes, stellar gravity.

Acceleration = Force / Mass. The more mass something has, the more force you need to accelerate it. This doesn't change in a vacuum. You can't move a planet with a small amount of force.

Again, I accounted for this when I brought up momentum. And also when I said that I'd expect any planet buster to be able to exert that much force. So once more, I don't see where the problem is. I already addressed this stuff.

It's the "moving planets is a small feat because their weight is zip in space" and "a space shuttle could pull the Earth" that I take issue with. Getting one planet to a "sufficient speed" would take an enormous amount of force, let alone half a dozen or more planets chained together. And I don't see how Roshi could provide that much force when a) he thought moving a big rock was impressive and b) Goku had trouble lifting 40 tons in the Buu saga. If you can barely provide enough force to lift 40 tons, you're going to have trouble moving a planet any time soon.

And I hope nobody says something like, "But 40 tons would be weightless in space," because that would be missing the point.

[Goten Forever]

What about Doctor Gero vs. The Doctor from DW. How much prep will take for The Doctor to win?

Well the Doctor can just use a flick of his sonic to disable him. Doctor Gero is basically a robot with an old man's personality and DW can manipulate tech.

[Goten Forever]

What about Doctor Gero vs. The Doctor from DW. How much prep will take for The Doctor to win?

Well the Doctor can just use a flick of his sonic to disable him. Doctor Gero is basically a robot with an old man's personality and DW can manipulate tech.

[Xyex]

It's the "moving planets is a small feat because their weight is zip in space" and "a space shuttle could pull the Earth" that I take issue with. Getting one planet to a "sufficient speed" would take an enormous amount of force, let alone half a dozen or more planets chained together. And I don't see how Roshi could provide that much force when a) he thought moving a big rock was impressive and b) Goku had trouble lifting 40 tons in the Buu saga. If you can barely provide enough force to lift 40 tons, you're going to have trouble moving a planet any time soon.

And I hope nobody says something like, "But 40 tons would be weightless in space," because that would be missing the point.

Less force is needed to move something when there are no other forces acting to hold it, though. An object would require less force to move in space than in gravity. Also, with an already moving object, such as a planet, smaller amounts of force can be used to slowly redirect as opposed to put into motion. As for the space shuttle, I was merely replacing Superman with a space shuttle in that image. Once the planets are moving the shuttle could easily take Superman's spot at the lead and continue to pull the planets.

Roshi generated enough power to completely destroy the moon, which requires more force than moving the rock. If he can blow up the moon he can pull a few planets along. As for the 40 ton weight thing, it's a plot hole in the first place. Raditz lifted up a truck at the start of Z that weighed a few tons, with one hand. With the strength gains made between then and the weight training scene 40 tons shouldn't even remotely be an issue.

Let's not forget that Vegeta was training in something around 300g for the Androids, also. He likely weighs at least 150 pounds. In 300g that ups him to 45,000 pounds. About 22.5 tons. He's far weaker at that point than Goku is later during the weight thing, which also supports that 40 tons shouldn't be an issue for Goku. So yeah, the weight thing is just a plot hole. Toriyama likely forgot a zero.

Or three.

[Rocketman]

Less force is needed to move something when there are no other forces acting to hold it, though.

Did you forget that the planets pull on each other?

[Xyex]

Less force is needed to move something when there are no other forces acting to hold it, though.

Did you forget that the planets pull on each other?

I don't really think it's that large of a factor. One planet pulling one back is negated by that one also pulling it forward. It ends up as a stalemate in the end, with the only variance being caused by different gravity levels. You put the highest gravity planet first and the lowest one last and they'll actually help you move the chain rather than hinder.

[Bussani]

Less force is needed to move something when there are no other forces acting to hold it, though.

Yes, but that doesn't mean the force needed to move a planet is small. The energy required to change a planet's velocity (that is, its speed and/or direction) is ridiculous. A planet, even at rest and with no forces acting upon it, has huge inertia to overcome.

Also, with an already moving object, such as a planet, smaller amounts of force can be used to slowly redirect as opposed to put into motion.

Changing a planet's trajectory is the same as accelerating the planet perpendicular to the direction it's moving in. It would take just as much energy, just like it would take just as much energy to stop the planet from moving once you've got it going.

As for the space shuttle, I was merely replacing Superman with a space shuttle in that image. Once the planets are moving the shuttle could easily take Superman's spot at the lead and continue to pull the planets.

Once something's moving in space you don't need to continue to pull it. Are you saying that that's what your point was all along?

Roshi generated enough power to completely destroy the moon, which requires more force than moving the rock. If he can blow up the moon he can pull a few planets along. As for the 40 ton weight thing, it's a plot hole in the first place. Raditz lifted up a truck at the start of Z that weighed a few tons, with one hand. With the strength gains made between then and the weight training scene 40 tons shouldn't even remotely be an issue.

Let's not forget that Vegeta was training in something around 300g for the Androids, also. He likely weighs at least 150 pounds. In 300g that ups him to 45,000 pounds. About 22.5 tons. He's far weaker at that point than Goku is later during the weight thing, which also supports that 40 tons shouldn't be an issue for Goku. So yeah, the weight thing is just a plot hole. Toriyama likely forgot a zero.

Or three.

According to the SEGs, Goku's training with 40 tons was harder because he was using bukujutsu while doing it. But even so...none of this even puts them close to being able to accelerate a planet up to the point where you could go, "hey, look, that planet's moving," in a decent amount of time.

[jjgp1112]

Yew got yer real-life science in mah Dragon Ball!

[caejones]

can form friendship circles to fire beams of light.

The Carebears vs. Majin Vegeta!

You know it would be awesome.

I... started to write this several years ago.
Well, no, it was actually a whole storyline that involved the son of Dark Heart showing up at a tournament, and at one point Grumpy and Vegeta spar, and.... XD


Umm. So... How would Magneto in his prime fair against DBZ characters?

[goku the krump dancer]

How about
1.Saiyan saga Goku post Kaio training vs end of series Yusuke.

2. Mirai Trunks vs Kenshin vs Link in a sword fight no punching, kicking, ki blast, arrows, bombs etc.

3. Vegetto vs Dark Schneider(not sure if I spelled his name right) but if no one knows him he is an anime character but I don't know witch series either I picked this from a comic forum that I came across. Apparently this guy destroyed galaxies just by flying past them. If no seems to recognize him then don't bother with the fight.

[Hellspawn28]

Apparently this guy destroyed galaxies just by flying past them. If no seems to recognize him then don't bother with the fight.

That was Satan in Bastard!! that can destroy a galaxy by flying past it. DS in his Majin Form is pretty powerful though seeing how beat Fallen Uirel, who was stated that can destroy galaxies. And that he can summon Dragon Knight Lucifer with the Judas Pain, which is a Mecha that is even more powerful.

And Majin DS is too much for any DBZGT character even SSj4 Gogeta.

[Goten Forever]

Try this:
1. Pre-Saiyan saga Goku vs Iron Man

2. Videl Satan vs Dick Graison/ Robin (teen titans)

3. Kuririn vs Starfire (also teen titans)

[Piccolo Daimao]

Rather than complain about how stupid and pointless a thread debating about whether two characters from completely different fictional universes would fare against each other, I'm going to join in and propose this question:

Who would win? Goku vs. Dr. Manhattan? Pick any era Goku you like.

[Hellspawn28]

DM would destroy all of the atom's in Goku's body and obliterate him completely with no difficulty whatsoever. Any form of Goku would lose seeing how DM was able to rsurvive complete bodily destruction.

[Makaioshin]

Rather than complain about how stupid and pointless a thread debating about whether two characters from completely different fictional universes would fare against each other, I'm going to join in and propose this question:

Who would win? Goku vs. Dr. Manhattan? Pick any era Goku you like.

Manhattan quite easily.

[Rocketman]

Apparently this guy destroyed galaxies just by flying past them.

Suspension of disbelief = snapped in half.

[Blue]

Apparently this guy destroyed galaxies just by flying past them.

Suspension of disbelief = snapped in half.

You'd think that ability would get highly inconvenient after awhile.

[goku the krump dancer]

CORRECTION it was Dark Shneider's daddy Satan who destroyed a galaxy just by flying past them and thats only because he was big as shit. And I couldnt find a proper website with Shneiders exact powers but I did fins a list of some on this forum http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles ... vel/29061/ he basically has abilities that match some of those retarted Marvel/DC characters. But I still might give Bastard a read. Heres another forum going into more detail on the series http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-forum/r ... ard-77264/ .