Fan Confessions?

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Re: Fan Confessions?

Post by caejones » Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:36 pm

I once came close to convincing my school's DBZ guru (this was seventh grade) that my fanfics were part of a new anime. The only clue I got that he doubted at all came when I slipped up about where I'd gotten them from (I had forgotten I'd told him one place, and then said a different one...). This does not make me clever, just an ass. :(

Late 199/early 2000, I was hearing quite vague rumors, like there were characters called Trunks and Cell, and Vegeta had a son. Consequently, my conclusions were that these were three separate characters who would all be villains, Vegeta just kinda came back from space with a son somehow, and Cell was the only one that really mattered, being some manner of final boss.

I favored using Dragonball X as the title for my fanfiction, until I googled it (or Yahoo!ed... I think that's what we were using at the time...). I was around 13/14 at said time, but honestly the never-ending pile of alert boxes in Spanish and me having to ctrl alt del to escape made the only real clue as to what I'd narrowly avoided being the word "pornigraphico" in one of those alerts.

I like UB22 enough that, after my ps1 that could handle imports stopped working, I went for the US version. Even with my vision crappy, I was well aware of the horrible quality of the graphis, but really, watching Recoome's out-of-sync mouthflaps was hilarious enough to make up for it.

My first copy of Legends for the PS1 came with a slip of paper that declared "this is not a bootleg". Considering that it tended to freeze during the intro and none of the menu/story BGM played, and it eventually just started freezing all the time, I am not convinced that yon slip of paper was being particularly honest with me.
I think I wound up with two copies of the Saturn version, though, which do not appear to be bootlegs. Whew.

I like Bulma and the crab, and kinda wish it wasn't filler on the grounds that Bulma weaponizing giant crabs has potential in areas that tend to disregard filler.
Oh, and Space Orphans / Fake Namek. I like those, too.

Gohan/Goten/Trunks being left on Earth as Kid Buu blows it up is something I am willing to grasp at straws to make non-lethal. Piccolo retaining some Kami power and coming to enough to BAMF them to the afterlife? Chaozu hijacking Popo's magic carpet and magicking them into space, protected by a telekinetic bubble until the Earth is restored? The blast ripping a hole in reality that sends them into Emperor Palpatine's throne room? All fine by me!
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Re: Fan Confessions?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:40 pm

I rather watch DBE over the Dragon Ball: The Magic Begins. It's funny how the Ultimate Edition came out in 2007 and it has CG that looks like it came out in the early 90's (Before Jurassic Park). At least DBE didn't made my brain hurt with the bad dubbing and the terrible CG (DBE had shitty effects but the special effects are Transformers compare to the CG in The Magic Begins). I think the live-action Korean film adaptation is the best Dragon Ball live action movie which is not saying a whole lot.
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Re: Fan Confessions?

Post by Makaioshin » Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:12 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:I rather watch DBE over the Dragon Ball: The Magic Begins. It's funny how the Ultimate Edition came out in 2007 and it has CG that looks like it came out in the early 90's (Before Jurassic Park). At least DBE didn't made my brain hurt with the bad dubbing and the terrible CG (DBE had shitty effects but the special effects are Transformers compare to the CG in The Magic Begins). I think the live-action Korean film adaptation is the best Dragon Ball live action movie which is not saying a whole lot.
I didn't care much for either. DBE was just a bland quasi-superhero movie that wasn't bad enough to be memorable. The Magic Begins certainly felt like a Dragon Ball movie since it was just a slightly altered live action version of the first DB movie but it isn't something I would watch more than once. I did remember liking the Monkey Boy and Yamucha-like guy fight. I didn't get to watch the dub of it or version with special effects...maybe I'll watch it again. I've never seen the Korean adaptation, sadly. It looks pretty ridiculous from the screencaps I've seen.

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Re: Fan Confessions?

Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:32 pm

I suppose the "confession" that I don't think I've made sufficiently well known is my enjoyment of the dub for mainly nostlagic reasons. While it does have its merits, if I had no nostlagia for the dub, I probably wouldn't watch it at all, even though I do prefer dubs on the whole because evidently I'm illiterate and can't read subtitles. The acting and the script are generally better in the original version. But when nostalgia takes root in your brain, it does influence your judgment. Unfortunately, I am going to hell for the sins I've committed against Dragon Ball, even though I'm making this confession, for my sins are just too great and I'm unwilling to repent.



I think it's important for this to be absolutely clear because of all the debates or arguments we have on the subject and apologies if I've already talked about it. I am biased, of course (aren't we all, though?), but I do think some of the criticism is unfair. I think, at this point, it's fairly stupid and pointless to be prattling on about how bad the dub is and how uncultured those who watch it are. I would say that the original version is more refined and subtle, but a show about flying monkey-tailed aliens can't be all that refined and subtle anyway. I'm fine with the dub being the butt of a joke -- it's been the butt of countless jokes since "Over 9000" exploded onto the scene and probably before then, and so I don't get my panties in a twist when I hear one. However, if you're going to make a sweeping criticism of the dub without even mentioning the context in which it was produced, then you're going to hear from me.

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Re: Fan Confessions?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:03 am

Get ready to hate me: I like GT and Ultimate Blast. I also don't find DBE as horrible as others say. There, I said it! :oops:
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Fan Confessions?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:36 pm

^I have to agree. As a Dragon Ball film, its "bad" but as its own movie, it's cheesy fun. I wonder if people would like DBE better if it was not based off of Dragon Ball? If they called the movie something else and the characters didn't share the same name as the characters in Dragon Ball.
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Re: Fan Confessions?

Post by SpacePie8 » Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:38 pm

I believe Vegeta would've been the winner in the Saiyan saga if his dodging skills had been represented more realistically.
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Re: Fan Confessions?

Post by DBZnut » Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:37 pm

I like Dragon ball A Lot more then Dragon ball z, the adventure, the friendship, even the fighting is better IMO

Goten and Trunks should have been born, but should have worked TONS harder to be Super Saiyans, Ruined the whole idea of training, plus Trucks annoys me a lot

I didn't mind GT, i thought he had it's moments, it gets more hate then it deverses
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:09 am

DBZnut wrote:I like Dragon ball A Lot more then Dragon ball z, the adventure, the friendship, even the fighting is better IMO
That's not really much of a confession since a decent amount of people think so. I also think the story is better written.

Anyways, my other confessions:

- After the Freeza Saga, my interest in Kai died down and after the Yamamoto lawsuit, I've actively stopped watching altogether because Kikuchi's soundtrack is handled badly (how many times can we hear Piccolo's theme, and they took out Son Gohan and Piccolo's Training Theme :evil: ).

- If it wasn't for Goku, I think Chi-Chi should have went with Kuririn (with Yamcha as a secondary option). Just watch Episode 30 of DBZ, and you'll see why.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Fan Confessions?

Post by DBZnut » Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:29 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
DBZnut wrote:I like Dragon ball A Lot more then Dragon ball z, the adventure, the friendship, even the fighting is better IMO
That's not really much of a confession since a decent amount of people think so. I also think the story is better written.
DBZ is still the most liked though, but I beg to differ!
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Re: Fan Confessions?

Post by soulnova » Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:14 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote: - If it wasn't for Goku, I think Chi-Chi should have went with Kuririn (with Yamcha as a secondary option). Just watch Episode 30 of DBZ, and you'll see why.
Episode 30 of the original Japanese run? or the Dub?
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:15 pm

soulnova wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote: - If it wasn't for Goku, I think Chi-Chi should have went with Kuririn (with Yamcha as a secondary option). Just watch Episode 30 of DBZ, and you'll see why.
Episode 30 of the original Japanese run? or the Dub?
Japanese.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Fan Confessions?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:28 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
DBZnut wrote:I like Dragon ball A Lot more then Dragon ball z, the adventure, the friendship, even the fighting is better IMO
That's not really much of a confession since a decent amount of people think so. I also think the story is better written.
Even my art teacher does well. He likes the Dragon Ball manga but he can't stand the DBZ anime. He thought the DBZ manga was okay but he feel like Dragon Ball should have ended when Goku fought Piccolo at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:55 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:
DBZnut wrote:I like Dragon ball A Lot more then Dragon ball z, the adventure, the friendship, even the fighting is better IMO
That's not really much of a confession since a decent amount of people think so. I also think the story is better written.
Even my art teacher does well. He likes the Dragon Ball manga but he can't stand the DBZ anime. He thought the DBZ manga was okay but he feel like Dragon Ball should have ended when Goku fought Piccolo at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.
How does he feel about the Dragon Ball anime?
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:08 pm

I ask him about it and he said it was good. He said that he never saw Kai but he would like to one day. He hated how DBZ anime had so much filler and wasted most of the story on powering up.
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Post by funrush » Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:58 pm

caejones wrote: My first copy of Legends for the PS1 came with a slip of paper that declared "this is not a bootleg". Considering that it tended to freeze during the intro and none of the menu/story BGM played, and it eventually just started freezing all the time, I am not convinced that yon slip of paper was being particularly honest with me.
I think I wound up with two copies of the Saturn version, though, which do not appear to be bootlegs. Whew.
Where'd you get the bootleg?

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Post by Super Gazellian » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:39 pm

When I was 15 my friend and I tried to fuse, I can't remember whether I genuinely thought it could work if we did it right.
He still wont let me talk about it to people :lol: . We even named ourself! :lol:

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Re: Fan Confessions?

Post by sonikku956 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:14 am

When I was young, the first things Dragon Ball related that I watched were a fan video and Dragon Ball GT. I didn't even know that Goku and Vegeta were aliens at the time. I thought they were weirdly named humans called Saijins. Yep, that was what I heard.

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Post by sonikku956 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:18 am

When I was young, the first things Dragon Ball related that I watched were a fan video and Dragon Ball GT. I didn't even know that Goku and Vegeta were aliens at the time. I thought they were weirdly named humans called Saijins. Yep, that was what I heard.

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Post by SilverPlaqueVII » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:37 am

Despite watching the series in 2000s and acknowledge the entire series years later, i've carried my antics with me in real life even high school! Everyone knows that I made a replica of the Saiyan Armor for my school project years ago and made a Capsule-Corp like logo for the student council I was part in.

That's my true story on how I crossed the line between Dragon Ball and real life.
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