The general American fanbase really annoys me.

[ABED]

Aside from weeaboo sounding stupid, it's an attempt to silence opposition instead of discussing things or thinking there's perfectly valid reasons to enjoy the original beyond it being the original. I like dubs as well as subs. Sometimes, even with Dragon Ball, I'd rather listen to it in English just because it's one of those kind of days.

[Zephyr]

Aside from weeaboo sounding stupid, it's an attempt to silence opposition instead of discussing things or thinking there's perfectly valid reasons to enjoy the original beyond it being the original. I like dubs as well as subs. Sometimes, even with Dragon Ball, I'd rather listen to it in English just because it's one of those kind of days.

I personally take less issue with the fact that they're trying to "poison the well", than with the fact that they're not even using the term correctly. Preferring subs to dubs with the intent of viewing the product as it was created isn't sufficient for qualifying as a "weeaboo". Preferring subs to dubs because that means you're watching it in Japanese would first need to be the motivation behind it, in addition to having a strong bias/obsession for Japan, it's culture, and it's products.

That's not to say that it's "nice" to even have a derogatory term for people who do happen to obsess over Japanese culture in the first place, but if you're going to use an insult, at least use it in the correct context.

[Smochi]

Aside from weeaboo sounding stupid, it's an attempt to silence opposition instead of discussing things or thinking there's perfectly valid reasons to enjoy the original beyond it being the original. I like dubs as well as subs. Sometimes, even with Dragon Ball, I'd rather listen to it in English just because it's one of those kind of days.

I personally take less issue with the fact that they're trying to "poison the well", than with the fact that they're not even using the term correctly. Preferring subs to dubs with the intent of viewing the product as it was created isn't sufficient for qualifying as a "weeaboo". Preferring subs to dubs because that means you're watching it in Japanese would first need to be the motivation behind it, in addition to having a strong bias/obsession for Japan, it's culture, and it's products.

That's not to say that it's "nice" to even have a derogatory term for people who do happen to obsess over Japanese culture in the first place, but if you're going to use an insult, at least use it in the correct context.

Actully, I think when people use it, they understand what the correct context is, and hopes that by calling someone a weeaboo, people will subconsciously transfer the true qualifying properties to the victim in the future, thus invalidating ANY of their likes or hobbies. Let's say I like the DBZ subbed rather than dubbed. You call me a weeaboo. Now I'M ostracized because everyone starts to assume I prefer ALL anime subbed, think I'm Japanese, cosplay, and eat rice with every meal, and stop thinking what I have to say is important because my opinion is obviously a biased one because I view everything through my "weeaboo filter."


Also, I watch most anime subbed, cosplay, and eat rice with most meals (ulcers). XD I tried sticking with things I actually do to let you guys know I actually have NO problem with any of that. But I would hope it illustrates why I think namecalling ins dangerous.

[JulieYBM]

I'm reminded of a certain conversation in an old thread by this discussion of the aforementioned internet slur...

Tanooki Kuribo: Maybe I'm old, out of the loop, or just not hip anymore. But what's "weeaboos" ?!
Herms: It's a term used by a certain breed of internet half-wit against those with the audacity to point out that the Japanese show said half-wit likes happens to be Japanese.

Words to live by.

[penguintruth]

Funimation just did a poor job the first time.

Yeah, they just did a poor job for over a decade, no big deal.

Also, technically they screwed it up twice. Kai is their third try, not their second.

[Duo]

A story.

That was a really awesome post to read, and I generally agree with everything you've said. A lot of younger western fans are very difficult to relate to in regards to Dragon Ball fandom, and generally the marketing has pushed things in that direction because Z has always had more popularity. It's a shame to take in half of the series, grind it down to a bunch of numbers, and then argue with people you don't know about it until you hate them.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Funimation just did a poor job the first time.

Yeah, they just did a poor job for over a decade, no big deal.

Also, technically they screwed it up twice. Kai is their third try, not their second.

You know what I mean . Kai is certainly redemption for them because it's miles better than their fist and second dubbing of DB.

[Duo]

You know what I mean . Kai is certainly redemption for them because it's miles better than their fist and second dubbing of DBZ.

I can understand why where are still some frustrations over the effects of a dub that's still being sold to people today. FUNImation waited far too long to start fixing this, but I'll admit that they handled the opportunity with Kai pretty well. I have grown used to recommending it over the original anime for any fan who views the series in English exclusively.

[matt0044]

I can understand why where are still some frustrations over the effects of a dub that's still being sold to people today.

Sadly for those who like the dub, they figure "if it ain't broke, why fix it?" One reason that Kai's dub isn't always well received.

[Duo]

Sadly for those who like the dub, they figure "if it ain't broke, why fix it?" One reason that Kai's dub isn't always well received.

Has there been any poor reception toward Kai over the dub? One of my friends had purchased the first Orange Brick and watched it (planning to get the entire series) and I recommended he start over with Kai. I've been receiving nothing but thanks ever since.

[ABED]

I think Kai has gotten a positive response, but there are pockets of people who don't like some of the new voices (including the Chris Ayres as Freeza), the music and I've talked to a few that don't like the "new" dialog.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Sadly for those who like the dub, they figure "if it ain't broke, why fix it?" One reason that Kai's dub isn't always well received.

Has there been any poor reception toward Kai over the dub? One of my friends had purchased the first Orange Brick and watched it (planning to get the entire series) and I recommended he start over with Kai. I've been receiving nothing but thanks ever since.

Well it's despised by the YouTube community but I don't know how big that community is.

[Duo]

The Youtube community hates existence. Doesn't mean anything what happens over there.

[TheMightyOzaru]

The Youtube community hates existence. Doesn't mean anything what happens over there.

IK. I was just answering where the hate comes from.

[matt0044]

Sadly for those who like the dub, they figure "if it ain't broke, why fix it?" One reason that Kai's dub isn't always well received.

Has there been any poor reception toward Kai over the dub? One of my friends had purchased the first Orange Brick and watched it (planning to get the entire series) and I recommended he start over with Kai. I've been receiving nothing but thanks ever since.

Mostly on Youtube due to stubborn nostalgic fans. But like everyone else said, Youtube's full of those. Aside from the guy here who have accounts there.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Sadly for those who like the dub, they figure "if it ain't broke, why fix it?" One reason that Kai's dub isn't always well received.

Has there been any poor reception toward Kai over the dub? One of my friends had purchased the first Orange Brick and watched it (planning to get the entire series) and I recommended he start over with Kai. I've been receiving nothing but thanks ever since.

Mostly on Youtube due to stubborn nostalgic fans. But like everyone else said, Youtube's full of those. Aside from the guy here who have accounts there.

On a site with fans that believe off shoots / fan work like Hoshi are real shows, you can expect no less.

And another thing that annoys me about the youtube community is that you can never finish a decent conversation without it turning into a threatening argument. Happens all the time.

[Beji]

I get annoyed at people who think because I want to watch something in my native language or I like the English dub that I am not a true fan.

It's sort of hard to believe that somebody who enjoys a version of the show that heavily rewrites dialogue and characters is a fan of the show. If the dub doesn't accurately reflect the intention of the original production, then it's a pretty crappy dub. If that's the thing you're a fan of, it's basically like being a fan of a different show.

Why can't they like both ?
I've always loved watching both (English and Japanese) I think I've referenced the show on here being the same show interpreted in two different ways. And seeing both versions can be enjoyable. "You like this different take on the show? You must not be a true fan". Doesn't sound right

Knew this thread would blow up :/

[ABED]

There is only one Dragon Ball. The changes FUNi made (eg Goku's father being a brilliant scientists, "mondo cool", etc) aren't valid changes.

It's okay to like it, but it's not okay what FUNi did to it.

[Beji]

There is only one Dragon Ball. The changes FUNi made (eg Goku's father being a brilliant scientists, "mondo cool", etc) aren't valid changes.

It's okay to like it, but it's not okay what FUNi did to it.

I realize it's okay to like it but you could also focus on the positive changes instead of the negative ones. Also watching it in Japanese and then in English can be enjoyable. But I guess that's just me.

[ABED]

There is only one Dragon Ball. The changes FUNi made (eg Goku's father being a brilliant scientists, "mondo cool", etc) aren't valid changes.

It's okay to like it, but it's not okay what FUNi did to it.

I realize it's okay to like it but you could also focus on the positive changes instead of the negative ones. Also watching it in Japanese and then in English can be enjoyable. But I guess that's just me.

Positive changes, such as?

I enjoy the english dub, and even think Kai's dub is better than the japanese version.