Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
TheGmGoken wrote:Because it was stated that Birsu > Vegetto and Whis > Birsu. Baby can't be above Vegetto(Super Bebi that is) because SSJ4 is perhaps weaker than Vegetto(Guidebook statement which was made around Shenlong arc I think)
I'm still waiting on a translation of the second volume of the Perfect Files to actually serve judgment on this tidbit other than it doesn't seem to align with what Toei clearly intended with the statements they put into the show.
It is Toei and would't be the first time they contradicted.
Remember the whole
Goku > Pure Boo > Vegetto > Buuhan > Buutenks > Gohan > Gotenks > Super Boo > Goku
Perhaps the same thing happen to Vegetto
Vegetto > Bebi > Vegetto > Bebi
Herms said that GT Perfect Files #2 say nothing about Super Vegetto & Super Saiyan 4 Goku.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Herms said that GT Perfect Files #2 say nothing about Super Vegetto & Super Saiyan 4 Goku.
There wouldn't have to be a statement directly comparing the two. I was more referring to information on the powers of the characters themselves.
CatouttaHell wrote:I guess he's just impossibly powerful and he now gets thrills from letting things go as much to hell as possible before busting out his ultimate power and ending the villain or some shit.
I think BOG is not canon to GT since Pilaf is super old in GT and Gohan can turn into Mystic Gohan when he never transform in that form once in GT. I only view BOG canon to the manga since nothing from the movie was never seen or mention again in GT. I know GT came out first, but I'm looking things in a universe stand point of view.
Hellspawn28 wrote:I think BOG is not canon to GT since Pilaf is super old in GT and Gohan can turn into Mystic Gohan when he never transform in that form once in GT. I only view BOG canon to the manga since nothing from the movie was never seen or mention again in GT. I know GT came out first, but I'm looking things in a universe stand point of view.
If Pilaf can be wished to young then he can wish to be older again but become to old.
Gohan being a ssj
Goku being haxed without a single explanation
17 suddenly being the ultimate android when it was stated several times that cell was the strongest android
Pilaf knowing about black star dragon balls when mr popo who has lived with kami for many years didn't knew what they were
Kibito Kai running away from dende and mr popo
And many other ones
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Herms said that GT Perfect Files #2 say nothing about Super Vegetto & Super Saiyan 4 Goku.
There wouldn't have to be a statement directly comparing the two. I was more referring to information on the powers of the characters themselves.
Well, I imagine the general "SS4 Goku is super strong!" for Goku, and I don't think anything would be said about Vegetto because there is no reason for Vegetto to be mentioned, since this is a GT guidebook, and Vegetto is not in GT.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Saiyan Tails somehow becoming important again even though they are described as a hindrance and stopped growing back after SSJ was achieved. Yet somehow they are important again even though biologically they don't grow back anymore.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:Saiyan Tails somehow becoming important again even though they are described as a hindrance and stopped growing back after SSJ was achieved. Yet somehow they are important again even though biologically they don't grow back anymore.
Wait I have a question. In matter of fact it's an issue. Say Raditz somehow turns SSJ4. Since Raditz didn't train his tail does that mean when you pull it would it affect him or revert him?
dbzfan7 wrote:Saiyan Tails somehow becoming important again even though they are described as a hindrance and stopped growing back after SSJ was achieved. Yet somehow they are important again even though biologically they don't grow back anymore.
Wait I have a question. In matter of fact it's an issue. Say Raditz somehow turns SSJ4. Since Raditz didn't train his tail does that mean when you pull it would it affect him or revert him?
Edit: This was originally posted on BOZ topic
IDK. I wonder if you cut off the SSJ4 tail, would they revert back to normal.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:I wonder if you cut off the SSJ4 tail, would they revert back to normal.
I guess that's what will happen, since Vegeta (doesn't have a tail) can't turn into a SS4 on his own, while Goku can do it on his own (has a tail).
Hellspawn28 wrote:I also remember that the Elder Kaioshin knew nothing about the SSj transformation but he had the knowledge of becoming a SSj4.
Gods have access to books that contain all biological information about every race. According to my fanon.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
