Battle of Gods canon?

[Barunks]

Though I haven't watched the movie from what I gather in terms of lore the whole thing seems to rock the boat way too much for me to add it into my own personal canon unless it the stuff introduced that movie get expanded upon in some future movie or something. I mean come on, a dude on par with the villains from GT existing all this time and no mention of him whatsoever up until this point? I mean at least Bojack and Buu were trapped for eons allowing them to be largely forgotten but Bills apperantly just took a cat nap for a few decades! And what's with this 12 universes business?! Don't even get me started on that SSJ God BS! It makes me confused and angry all at once!

[valfranx]

Here a kind of canon interesting, I think that fits better with when defining the canon dragon ball:


Canon Immigrant
The Expanded Universe is a wonderful place, where new ideas can frolic without having to worry about fitting into the canon. However, sometimes an idea is so interesting that the people who create the canon decide it deserves to become real.
Thus, we have the Canon Immigrant, who is a character created and nurtured in another medium and, eventually, imported back into the original. Note that, often, surface details are brought in to play off a new movie or TV series; this isn't that. Rather, it's usually a completely new character, who over time becomes more and more popular with the fandom, often filling some niche that was never quite complete before. As a recurring trend, these tend to be female characters (likely to be "spunky") who serve to break up an otherwise male Rogues Gallery or ally contingent.
If they're successful enough, they'll be included in new entries in the Expanded Universe, cross-pollinating concepts. Canon Immigrants are often part of an Adaptation Distillation, and new, canonical version usually has extra details to tie them into the more complex backstory of the original.
One should always be aware of the Canon Rule of Cherrypicking and Broad Strokes: the fact that one or two elements from an Alternate Continuity or Expanded Universe have made their way into canon does not make the rest of the Alternate Continuity or Expanded Universe canon, as a whole.
A character is more likely to become a Canon Immigrant, and be embraced as such, if s/he is God Created Canon Foreigner.
This trope applies exclusively to entire characters or concepts who make the move from adaptation to original material. When dealing with alterations to existing canon that ends up changing the original material, see Ret Canon.
This is what every Canon Foreigner strives to be.

God-Created Canon Foreigner

Occasionally you have a character designed by the creator, but for whatever reason, isn't included in the original work, but instead turns up in an adaptation of the original work. This can at times make the fan task of establishing canon difficult. The character might not fit in the old chronology, but the Word Of God implies they have a sort of elevated 'legitimacy'. Mostly though, this is a case of the creator feeling they had a good idea after their work was released, and finding a new chance to use it. It may also be that the character was created for the original work and then removed for whatever reason, and the adaptation is a chance for their place to be restored.
Compare with Canon Immigrant, where the original character is made by someone else.

[Zephyr]

↑ I think he meant that since there's no official canon, we don't know the canon rules. That is, we don't know whether the source material is canon, or canon is whatever is newer (the anime). Basically you can tell whatever way is the most logical, but you'll never know for sure, thus neither way is better than another. We know that one media contradicts the other, but we don't know which one overrides the other.

Makes sense I guess.

You'd think though, that in the absence of an officially outlined canon, wouldn't it make the most sense to assume that the source material is the only thing that would by default have to be "canon", since anything and everything that would ever be regarded as canon would have to built off of it?

But whatever, my Dragon Ball canon has nothing. The manga didn't happen, and thus nothing else happened. Dragon Ball doesn't exist and didn't happen, even in its own universe.

[aarondirebear]

I approve this film.
As far as I am concerned it is canon.