Unpopular/controversial power level/strength opinions?

[RandomGuy96]

The creator himself called it "a silly little scene".

[Vice]

Oh well. It was played straight in the movie.

[TheMightyOzaru]

People often forget that Gohan was supposed to be a Ssj. I just rationalize Gohan's inability to do better than Vegeta by assuming Gohan was still intoxicated.

[TheGmGoken]

People often forget that Gohan was supposed to be a Ssj. I just rationalize Gohan's inability to do better than Vegeta by assuming Gohan was still intoxicated.

In universe I say he was drunk. When its not. I just say Gohan a ssj

[Vice]

Man, he should've just made the form temporary and a lot of this mess could have been fixed.

[TheGmGoken]

1. Gohan is also a Saiyan. While Yajoribe is 100% human. And Gohan had rage boost.

Irrelevant. We're talking potential here, not why it exists.

2. It was treated as such. Once I get off my phone and onto Pc. I will show you interviews of workers saying it was a rather funny scene

Sure, they were teasing Vegeta with it after the fact, but it was taken very much seriously at the time it occurred.

Sorry for double post. On phone. Its not irrelevant. Yajoribe has more potential but is limit due to human. Look at how Gohan potential was increasingly thoughout the series.

Once again interviews point Vegeta being a gag power up

[Vice]

Sorry for double post. On phone. Its not irrelevant. Yajoribe has more potential but is limit due to human. Look at how Gohan potential was increasingly thoughout the series.

Uh, no dude. Stop. Yajirobe's potential was to be a decently strong little human. Hell, he ain't even impressive for them as Krillin and the others have such potential that he looks like trash next to them, and they're trash in this series.

I'm not trying to be an asshole but this opinion isn't controversial, it's ridiculous.

Once again interviews point Vegeta being a gag power up

And the canon movie plays it straight. Face it, it's not up to you to decide.

[TheGmGoken]

Sorry for double post. On phone. Its not irrelevant. Yajoribe has more potential but is limit due to human. Look at how Gohan potential was increasingly thoughout the series.

Uh, no dude. Stop. Yajirobe's potential was to be a decently strong little human. Hell, he ain't even impressive for them as Krillin and the others have such potential that he looks like trash next to them, and they're trash in this series.

I'm not trying to be an asshole but this opinion isn't controversial, it's ridiculous.

Once again interviews point Vegeta being a gag power up

And the canon movie plays it straight. Face it, it's not up to you to decide.

1. Yajoribe didn't train that much either. So his power is high for someone who lacks constant training.

2. I didn't decide it. The creator said it wad a gag. Not me.

[Vice]

1. Yajoribe didn't train that much either. So his power is high for someone who lacks constant training.

Irrelevant. Gohan hadn't trained any and he was near ko-ing aliens.

Come on, dude.

2. I didn't decide it. The creator said it wad a gag. Not me.

He said it was silly, not a gag and then played it straight in canon. This isn't Mr. Satan running around karate chopping Cell.

[TheGmGoken]

1. Yajoribe didn't train that much either. So his power is high for someone who lacks constant training.

Irrelevant. Gohan hadn't trained any and he was near ko-ing aliens.

Come on, dude.

2. I didn't decide it. The creator said it wad a gag. Not me.

He said it was silly, not a gag and then played it straight in canon. This isn't Mr. Satan running around karate chopping Cell.

1. Gohn also wad pissed off. Please tell me how strong he was after training with Piccolo with no rage. Yajoribe is more impressive and shown a large amount of potential. He is lazy yet and barely train yet he shown lots of power

2. Gags are more or less silly. So whats your point?

[Vice]

1. Gohn also wad pissed off.

And? What difference does it make?

Please tell me how strong he was after training with Piccolo with no rage.

Almost 1,000. And then eventually well over a billion. Did Yajirobe ever even break 300 in his life?

Yajoribe is more impressive

Ridiculous. Gohan's entire role in the plot revolves around his potential.

and shown a large amount of potential. He is lazy yet and barely train yet he shown lots of power

Compared to your average, run of the mill, power level around 5 human.

Compared to Gohan? Calling him a speck of dust would be a compliment.

2. Gags are more or less silly. So whats your point?

Something silly doesn't necessarily means it's a gag. Vegeta is usurping Gohan's plot significance in the story. It's just what it is.

I'm done arguing about this by the way.

[TheGmGoken]

Umm Yajoribe did not do hardcore training yet increase so much. Yajoribe > Gohan potential. Gohan just had hidden power.

Gag are silly. Its a silly scene therefore its a gag

[Kid Buu]

The entire series is a gag though.

[TheMightyOzaru]

The movie was also made with the intent for Gohan to fight Beerus as a SSJ. Vegeta was directly implied to be stronger than SSJ Gohan with a little bit of black hair dye. It's perfectly reasonable to assume he was intoxicated to get rid of an out-of-universe mistake.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

This is explicitly shown to be untrue. Whether fans like it or not, Toriyama appears to be pushing the series to revolve around Goku and Vegeta.

Vegeta caught Beers off-guard, and after that, Beers allowed Vegeta to hit him, hoping he will power-up again, but this time into a Super Saiyan God. Vegeta is also stated to have surpassed Goku, but not Gotenks or Gohan.

Yajoirbe was on Goku level without training and just living in woods. Then he surpass God and we know his lazy ass barely did anything.

How do you know that Yajirobe never trained? And who said that he didn't do anything and surpassed Kami?

[rereboy]

Yajoribe's potential is perhaps the highest among the humans.

Just by hanging out in the mountains, he was basically as strong as 22nd tournament Goku, who was stronger than Roshi (who had blown up the moon).

The only real training we ever see him do is in preparation for the Saiyan's arrival and, even then, it was shown that he wasn't taking it nearly as seriously as the others. Even with that, he became around Radditz level. And then he never trained again.

[Vice]

Yajoribe's potential is perhaps the highest among the humans.

No it isn't. Like I said, Krillin and the others make him look like trash.

Just by hanging out in the mountains, he was basically as strong as 22nd tournament Goku, who was stronger than Roshi (who had blown up the moon).

And then was almost immediately irrelevant within the power structure thereafter.

Even with that, he became around Radditz level.

What? No he wasn't, not even close.

[TheGmGoken]

Yajoirbe was on Goku level without training and just living in woods. Then he surpass God and we know his lazy ass barely did anything.

How do you know that Yajirobe never trained? And who said that he didn't do anything and surpassed Kami?[/quote]

I'm inferring due to how serious he took God training

[rereboy]

Yajoribe's potential is perhaps the highest among the humans.

No it isn't. Like I said, Krillin and the others make him look like trash.

Krillin trained his whole life, first in a Shaolin temple, then as Roshi's student (one of the best masters in the world) and then worked his ass off training for the 21st, 22nd and 23rd tournament, and finally he was trained by Kami himself to fight the saiyans.

In the meantime, Yajirobe just hung in the mountains by himself, and then was trained by Kami in order to fight the Saiyans, but he put a lot less effort into it than Krillin or the others.

And, despite all that training, Krillin only ended up being a bit stronger than Yajirobe. Are you sure its Yajirobe's potential which looks bad here?

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And then was almost immediately irrelevant within the power structure thereafter.

Because he never trained, except for the saiyans where he trained less than any of the others and still manage to be close to Radditz. We are talking about potential here.

What? No he wasn't, not even close.

There's an official power level for him somewhere in the saiyan saga. I don't remember exactly what it was but I remember thinking that it was close enough to Radditz. If I find it, I'll post it.

EDIT: I think this is it. From V-Jump, I believe:



There's more of a difference between him and Krillin than I thought, but the fact remains that Krillin had to train a LOT more to get there. The only training Yajirobe got was Kami's training, which he didn't take as seriously as the others, and he still managed to be about as strong as Goku's maximum power when he fought Raditz.

You may want to debate the accuracy of the power levels but its still an official one I believe, and there's really nothing contradicting it in the manga. And even looking just at the manga, Kami stated at the end of their training that all of them had surpassed him. So, he surpassed god just by being trained by him for a while, without any other training. All the others humans had to traing a lot more.

[freezamite]

I don't know if it's "impopular" because it's what is written/draw on the manga, but Freezer has the same brute power than Perfect Cell at around 12 million units more or less.

PS: This guide contradicts the manga in nearly every character it had to make a guess. 1500 Raditz? 4000 Nappa? King Piccolo above God? Please....