Why the Broly hate?

[Gyt Kaliba]

Another weird thing that always bugged me about Broly is that he's supposed to be the "legendary super Saiyan" but it was stated before that that Saiyan lived and died thousands of years ago, but Broly is only the same age as Goku.

I'm pretty sure for that part, they meant that he was the Legendary Super Saiyan of this era, not that he was literally the same guy who existed ages ago. That's how I took it anyway, but I could be wrong.

[Herms]

Another weird thing that always bugged me about Broly is that he's supposed to be the "legendary super Saiyan" but it was stated before that that Saiyan lived and died thousands of years ago

Well, one thousand years ago. Or at least, Vegeta says that one Super Saiyan is supposed to appear once every thousand years. Keep in mind that just about anything specific you hear on the internet about the Super Saiyan before Goku or the "original Super Saiyan" or whatever was made up either by the Funi dub or random fans (mostly fans).

[Xell]

Personally I find Broly rather dull. There's nothing much to his character other than "I'm going to break stuff".

[Polyphase Avatron]

I just watched the movie again, the ending was even worse than I thought. Goku had already gotten the power from the injured Gohan, Trunks, and Piccolo and was still no match for Broly, but then Vegeta (who had previously lost to Broly in like 3 or 4 hits and could barely move) added his power, and suddenly he's stronger than Broly?

[RandomGuy96]

I liked his defeat in Movie 10 better. No BS, he just gets straight up overpowered in a moment of distraction by (enraged?) SS2 Gohan + SS Goten.

Though of course NOTHING beats his defeat in Movie 11.

Speaking of which, why is Bio-Broly considered "not really Broly"? He's a clone of Broly, he's literally the exact same dude except he looks dumber due to getting that slime on him. He doesn't even act any different from LSS Broly in the last movies, his fights are pretty much the same, his abilities are the same, and his power seems to line up to his Movie 8 LSS incarnation (as the SS kids give him trouble and might have been able to beat him if not for external factors).

[Flame Dragon]

I liked his defeat in Movie 10 better. No BS, he just gets straight up overpowered in a moment of distraction by (enraged?) SS2 Gohan + SS Goten.

Though of course NOTHING beats his defeat in Movie 11.

Speaking of which, why is Bio-Broly considered "not really Broly"? He's a clone of Broly, he's literally the exact same dude except he looks dumber due to getting that slime on him. He doesn't even act any different from LSS Broly in the last movies, his fights are pretty much the same, his abilities are the same, and his power seems to line up to his Movie 8 LSS incarnation (as the SS kids give him trouble and might have been able to beat him if not for external factors).

I don't think the real Broly is weak to water through.

[RandomGuy96]

Does he have feats putting him stronger than water in Movie 8 or Movie 10?

[rereboy]

Same reason why Cooler had a flashback of Goku when he died. To show how Goku is connected to the main bad guy. Seems a little complex for a DB movie or something that's simple for at least most fans. I honestly got that Broly hated Goku for crying was another gag...but was a serious gag.

That flashback with Cooler was also used to transmit to the viewer a very particular idea. In that case, the point was that Cooler let Goku escape planet Vegeta because he thought it was Freeza's problem and that if Freeza did such a bad job taking care of his business, if that loose end ended up hurting him in the future, it would be his own fault. However, the ironic part is that the same can be said about Cooler himself. He let Goku go, so its Cooler's fault that Goku ended up hurting him, according to Cooler's own logic at that time.

As you see, that flashback had a point. So does the one with Broly. And the point is not being a gag. That makes zero sense.

Speaking of which, why is Bio-Broly considered "not really Broly"?

The same reason a identical twin is not considered the same person as his twin.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Oh, and another thing I found amusing:

Broly to Goku: You should give up

Goku: Sorry, I never learned how!

Beerus to (a much much stronger) Goku: You should give up

Goku:

[Flame Dragon]

How does Vegeta even know that Broly is the legendary SSJ and just a regular SSJ?
What? Green aura means legendary?

[ABED]

I just watched the movie again, the ending was even worse than I thought. Goku had already gotten the power from the injured Gohan, Trunks, and Piccolo and was still no match for Broly, but then Vegeta (who had previously lost to Broly in like 3 or 4 hits and could barely move) added his power, and suddenly he's stronger than Broly?

No eyeroll, it makes sense. It's the combined power, and Vegeta's just pushes Goku over the threshold (for lack of a better word).

[rereboy]

I just watched the movie again, the ending was even worse than I thought. Goku had already gotten the power from the injured Gohan, Trunks, and Piccolo and was still no match for Broly, but then Vegeta (who had previously lost to Broly in like 3 or 4 hits and could barely move) added his power, and suddenly he's stronger than Broly?

No eyeroll, it makes sense. It's the combined power, and Vegeta's just pushes Goku over the threshold (for lack of a better word).

No to mention that Vegeta was the fighter that had lost the least amount of power.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Speaking of which, why is Bio-Broly considered "not really Broly"?

The same reason a identical twin is not considered the same person as his twin.

But the twin doesn't have the memories & skills of the other twin.

[rereboy]

Speaking of which, why is Bio-Broly considered "not really Broly"?

The same reason a identical twin is not considered the same person as his twin.

But the twin doesn't have the memories & skills of the other twin.

Even if you took an identical twin and gave him the memories and skills of his twin, he wouldn't be the same person. In Dragon Ball this is even more evident given the fact that we know that everyone has a unique soul (in real life we don't know for sure if souls actually exist).

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Yeah, but he is still technically Broli.

[rereboy]

Yeah, but he is still technically Broli.

I pretty much already explained why he's a different person... Technicaly he was made of Broly's DNA and seems to have at least some of his memories, but he is another person. And we don't even know exactly how he compares to the real Broly in terms of power, abilities, full range of memories, etc.

[crisis]

I always felt, in my own head, another reason why Goku triumphed over Broly at the last second, was the fact that Goku punched through the stab wound that he had since he was an infant, exposing his one & only Achille's Heel.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I always felt, in my own head, another reason why Goku triumphed over Broly at the last second, was the fact that Goku punched through the stab wound that he had since he was an infant, exposing his one & only Achille's Heel.

That still doesn't explain how Goku getting the powerup from Vegeta allowed him to block Broly's punch and push him back before that.

[ABED]

I always felt, in my own head, another reason why Goku triumphed over Broly at the last second, was the fact that Goku punched through the stab wound that he had since he was an infant, exposing his one & only Achille's Heel.

That still doesn't explain how Goku getting the powerup from Vegeta allowed him to block Broly's punch and push him back before that.

Of course it does, it increased his battle power enough to win.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

You could always go the simple path of saying that since Super Saiyan is a multiplier, and all of Gohan, Trunks, Vegeta and Piccolo's power went to Goku's base before being increased by the transformation.