So what exactly is this SSGSS?

[Low Tone G]

But Freeza cause a problem to Goku in the Golden form... Does that mean Freeza normal Ki can compete a Godly one?

That would seem to be the case, which throws off how I understood Godly Ki to function. Oh well.

But... Freeza seemed to know how powerful Goku was against him. I understood he is able to sense both normal and God Ki.

[ekrolo2]

Well, Vegeta did manage to make Beerus bleed and somewhat hurt him during his fit in BoG but Beerus must've dropped his power to a ridiculous degree for that to even happen. So yeah, Freeza attaining enough God Ki-less power to hurt someone capable of taking on Beerus at 70% power in FOUR MONTHS can be chalked up as another fuck up.

[Barunks]

I really wouldn't make more of a big deal about this "god ki" business. Sure it can't be sensed and was more powerful than anything that preceded it in Z but that's exactly how you can describe the androids back in the android saga, and none of us assume that androids are inherently superior to biological beings. "God ki" is more of a cool sounding style than anything.

[Bullza]

The Supreme Kai had Godly Ki and he was far surpassed by those who had normal Ki so I don't see why Frieza can't still be a match for Goku.

I do wonder what's the purpose of having Godly Ki though if the only difference there seems to be is that normal people supposedly can't sense them.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I like to imagine that it's just a more pure energy and thus better and easier on the body. It' would effectively the same thing as using a higher grade of gasoline in your car and getting a bit better gas milage.

[Lord Beerus]

Well, Vegeta did manage to make Beerus bleed and somewhat hurt him during his fit in BoG but Beerus must've dropped his power to a ridiculous degree for that to even happen. So yeah, Freeza attaining enough God Ki-less power to hurt someone capable of taking on Beerus at 70% power in FOUR MONTHS can be chalked up as another fuck up.

Vegeta did not make Beerus bleed. There was not a scratch on Beerus after Vegeta has finished his "Rage Boost" combo on him.

[Kamiccolo9]

Well, Vegeta did manage to make Beerus bleed and somewhat hurt him during his fit in BoG but Beerus must've dropped his power to a ridiculous degree for that to even happen. So yeah, Freeza attaining enough God Ki-less power to hurt someone capable of taking on Beerus at 70% power in FOUR MONTHS can be chalked up as another fuck up.

Vegeta did not make Beerus bleed. There was not a scratch on Beerus after Vegeta has finished his "Rage Boost" combo on him.

When Vegeta hits Beerus in the chin, you see blood fly out of his mouth.

[Lord Beerus]

Well, Vegeta did manage to make Beerus bleed and somewhat hurt him during his fit in BoG but Beerus must've dropped his power to a ridiculous degree for that to even happen. So yeah, Freeza attaining enough God Ki-less power to hurt someone capable of taking on Beerus at 70% power in FOUR MONTHS can be chalked up as another fuck up.

Vegeta did not make Beerus bleed. There was not a scratch on Beerus after Vegeta has finished his "Rage Boost" combo on him.

When Vegeta hits Beerus in the chin, you see blood fly out of his mouth.

Just re-watched the fight. And your right. I guess I must have mistook it as dirt or dust flying in the air. But it's literally a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment.

[Bullza]

To be honest I think the only thought behind the Godly Ki was to explain away why there just happened be two immensely powerful beings out there in the universe and nobody happened to notice.

That's probably all there is to it.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

That could have easily been explained by ki control, which Beerus at least has already displayed by only using 70% of his power in the film. I mean, Beerus was sleeping 98% of the time anyone of our heroes would have had a reason to sense him, and Whis was presumably not doing anything special during that period either. No reason for them to power up and be sensed.

[Bullza]

Maybe it was also so it could fit in with the events prior to the series as well. Master Roshi is supposed to be hundreds of years old, surely in that time Beerus would have powered up to either train with Whis or blow up planets and he would have sensed it.

Then also so the Ginyu Force and Frieza's men and Frieza himself depending on their age can continue to believe that Frieza is truly the strongest in the universe.

If the Super Saiyan legend was getting around then you'd think Beerus powering up every century or so and it being felt across the universe would be common knowledge.

I don't see what other purpose it being introduced into the film would have otherwise.

[Dyno]

Speaking of it, I would like to know Bills' thoughts/comments on the Legendary Super Saiyan (Saiyans version), other than "Oh, so he was that strong? Maybe I should pay him a visit and get him into a fight".

And I ask, would/could "Original Super Saiyan God" possibly have any sort of connection with Bills' dream?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Maybe he would would have been felt, by the aliens that can sense ki, Sensing ki and manipulating your battle power are supposed to be rare skills as described in the Saiyan Arc. Also, if toriyama is including the Tsufruian and Saiyan history within the manga now, then Freeza's organization shouldn't have had scouters for ver long. Beerus may not have been awake within that time period other than the right before he went to sleep for the strong rival in Battle of Gods.

I mean, it's true those could all be reasons why god ki was used and they just didn't really think about these possible explanations, but there can be some for most of the points at least.

[Herms]

I really wouldn't make more of a big deal about this "god ki" business. Sure it can't be sensed and was more powerful than anything that preceded it in Z but that's exactly how you can describe the androids back in the android saga, and none of us assume that androids are inherently superior to biological beings. "God ki" is more of a cool sounding style than anything.

Heck, "God ki" isn't even a name used in the movie itself or secondary material; it's purely a fan term (unless the Funi subs do something weird).

[Bullza]

Oh yeah that's right, all they actually said was something like he couldn't feel a God's presence? Even though King Kai is supposed to be a God but Goku could sense him.

They could have elaborated on this more than they did.

[Berserker1921]

Spoilers!!!!!!!

This is the form for goku



Jusr color swapping. Akria was like genius haha. Saves me time creating an original and creative form.

[Bullza]

It is a little lazy but Goku never had the most creative forms anyway. Super Saiyan was just Goku with blond hair that stood up, Super Saiyan 2 was pretty much the exact same sometimes with additional sparks, Super Saiyan 3 had a big difference but he started to look over the top.

Even things like the Ascended Super Saiyan was just the same but with bigger muscles and the Super Saiyan 4 design was completely different and that looked horrible. Simpler is better when it comes to the Saiyans.

I don't dislike the BSSJG form but I'm not wowed by it either. When I see the film is when I'll properly be able to tell.

[dbgtFO]

I prefer the color his hair has, when he's grabbing Freeza.
Otherwise it's a pretty boring color, lacking the vibrancy of the gold and red. I understand now what Toriyama means, when he says blue is a cold colour.

[Bullza]

And apparently the form is called SSGSS (Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan) now too. That's particularly bad if that's actually it, what a mouthful.

[Lord Beerus]

Spoilers!!!!!!!

This is the form for goku



Jusr color swapping. Akria was like genius haha. Saves me time creating an original and creative form.

Yes, because fans never re-colour transformations themselves and pass them off as unique. Many people wanted this to be SSJ God:

Spoiler:

Now tell me, what's the difference between that and SSJ4?