So, about the Broly hate...

[DemonRin]

If you want to believe that the carefully placed scenes of their interaction together as children (especially when Goku defeats him) and all the coincidences and parallels between the two of them are completely random, including the elements in his design that eco parts of the Sun Wukong mythology that Goku is also based on, and that Broly is mad because he simply heard crying as a baby, you are free to do so. To me, that's completely ridiculous and shows a lack of ability to grasp subtle parallels in storytelling, which aren't even that subtle, they are just subtle for DB's standards.

You are literally the only person I've ever seen put forth this theory as to why Broli hates Goku. At no point in the movie is it stated or even implied that Broli can sense anything from Goku other than "He's the one I'm mad at".

Even the Wikipedia article for the movie states plainly that Broli wants to kill him because of the crying:

Paragus then realises that it is Broly's connection to Goku that has made him angry: Broly and Goku were born on the same day and were in neighboring pods, and Goku's constant crying agitated Broly so much that it made him resent Goku for many years afterwards, and now, having come face to face with him, old wounds have begun to surface.

Both Dragon Ball Wikis say this:

Goku and Broly were born on the same day. Broly was born with a fighting power of 10,000 while Goku was born with power level of 2. It is said that Goku cried constantly, keeping Broly awake for days on end. From then on Broly would constantly hold a grudge against Goku, and Goku's arrival was most likely the reason he was resisting his control.

Obviously citing user-written Wiki articles isn't in any way proof, but it shows the apparent general consensus as to Broli's motivations in the film, as it appears there haven't been any edit wars or discussions on changing this particular piece of content at any of the 3 encyclopedia sites.

Where is the scene where it is stated, or even implied, that his motivations are rival based? That he sensed something in Goku that was able to make Goku disrupt or beat him in any way? If you say the movie used a ton of coincidences and parallels, then tell me, what scenes imply this other than the crying scenes?

[rereboy]

That just paints a bleak picture of the fans of this franchise. To think that most of the fans who watch this movie actually think that Broly went mad because of crying (???) and that the careful planned and placed scenes of their relationship and their parallels (which the people behind the movie actually produced since they didn't fall out of the sky into the movie), and even the choices for Broly's design and such, are random and meaningless, is just frightening.

And it's one thing to not pick on it when we watch the movie... But after having all this pointed out to us and still believe that Broly went mad because of crying (like that makes any sense...) and that the rest is meaningless, is incomprehensible to me.

[batistabus]

Where is the scene where it is stated, or even implied, that his motivations are rival based? That he sensed something in Goku that was able to make Goku disrupt or beat him in any way? If you say the movie used a ton of coincidences and parallels, then tell me, what scenes imply this other than the crying scenes?

This. The parallels with Wukong are cool, but I'm more inclined to give that credit to Toriyama since he designed Broli's appearance. As for Broli's motivations intended by Koyama, I'd say it's something closer to this:

"Wow, Broli is so emotionally stunted, so overwhelmed with power, so insane, and so terrifying, that when Goku did something as insignificant as make him cry as a baby, he incurred all of his wrath. We're really dealing with a maniac over here, aren't we?"

[Gonstead]

Broly went mad because of crying

That is what we are shown in the movie. Nothing else matters.

[voltlunok]

This. The parallels with Wukong are cool, but I'm more inclined to give that credit to Toriyama since he designed Broli's appearance.

A design is only one aspect of a character. The writer gave the mind control band purpose, the writer made Broly into the dark mirror of Goku that he is, the writer is just as responsible, if not more for the Wukong parallels then Toriyama. Giving all credit to Toriyama just cause he DREW Broly is just disrespectful to everyone who worked on that movie and honestly shows a very heavy bias on your part. Toriyama may have given Broly Appearance but it was Koyama who gave him life, emotions, personality, traits and all that jazz.

[Eire]

Broly went mad because of crying

That is what we are shown in the movie. Nothing else matters.

This is what is suspected by Paragus, nothing stated by reliable narrator.

[Gonstead]

Broly went mad because of crying

That is what we are shown in the movie. Nothing else matters.

This is what is suspected by Paragus, nothing stated by reliable narrator.

And the fact that he generally only started acting out when Goku arrived.

[Eire]

That actually supports to "birth rivals" theory even more.

[Gonstead]

That actually supports to "birth rivals" theory even more.

It really doesn't. Hell, it's hardly even a theory because the observations behind it are trying to reach and show what is obviously not there.

[Eire]

Because?
Everything we have about crying is one sentence told by his clearly insane father who at that point haven't even seen Goku's transformation and tries to find any kind of rationalisation. Unreliable narrator is not an edgy and new concept.

[dbzfan7]

I don't see a difference between crying which probably lead to insomnia, and pudding being the start of a conflict.

[jcogginsa]

My personal theory is that Broly just scapegoats every problem in his (Very shitty) life onto Goku because he blames the crying for it.

Note, Broly is really, really insane

[rereboy]

Where is the scene where it is stated, or even implied, that his motivations are rival based? That he sensed something in Goku that was able to make Goku disrupt or beat him in any way? If you say the movie used a ton of coincidences and parallels, then tell me, what scenes imply this other than the crying scenes?

This. The parallels with Wukong are cool, but I'm more inclined to give that credit to Toriyama since he designed Broli's appearance. As for Broli's motivations intended by Koyama, I'd say it's something closer to this:

"Wow, Broli is so emotionally stunted, so overwhelmed with power, so insane, and so terrifying, that when Goku did something as insignificant as make him cry as a baby, he incurred all of his wrath. We're really dealing with a maniac over here, aren't we?"

Broly was designed under the directions for what they intended for him in the movie. That's why Toriyama's design includes his headband that is an essential plot point.

Also, besides the cry scene, you have the fact that Broly and Goku were born in exactly the same day, Broly's special attitude towards Goku which clearly tells us that he thinks of Goku as someone different and Broly's design echoing Sun Wukong. The interpretation that suggests that Broly is mad because he heard crying, besides being ridiculous, implies that we consider all this plus the placement of the scenes, that obviously had an intent, to be random... Also, it ignores the fact that Broly only went crazy when he used his power, which demonstrates that its his power that drives him crazy, due to how extreme it is, which is pretty clear in the scene where he takes his father's eye out.

Broly went mad because of crying

That is what we are shown in the movie. Nothing else matters.

Except we are also shown in the movie all the careful placed scenes and the parallels between the two, including the flashback of them crying as Broly is defeated. There's an obvious intent and purpose in all that. Ignoring that fact is pointless.

The movie itself is not that smart, but I seriously don't get the fans who insist in dumbing it down more than it actually is. Broly going mad because he heard crying as a baby is probably the most ridiculous and dumbed down interpretation of a movie that I've ever heard.

[Cursed Lemon]

And Broly instinctively recognizes Goku as his rival, as his counterpart. This goes beyond being powerful or being a SSJ or what they did to him in the past. He realizes that Goku has the ability to overcome the difference in their powers and ultimately overcome him. He feels it on instinct, so he recognizes him as his personal rival.

Uh, yeah, maybe if Broly is some kind of super genre-savvy 4th-wall-breaking meta saiyan.

[rereboy]

And Broly instinctively recognizes Goku as his rival, as his counterpart. This goes beyond being powerful or being a SSJ or what they did to him in the past. He realizes that Goku has the ability to overcome the difference in their powers and ultimately overcome him. He feels it on instinct, so he recognizes him as his personal rival.

Uh, yeah, maybe if Broly is some kind of super genre-savvy 4th-wall-breaking meta saiyan.

Yeah, he is crazy because he heard Goku cry as a baby and that's why he focuses on him. And that's also why there's all that planned and placed scenes of their parallels, including the flashback when Broly is defeated. Obviously there's no intent or meaning there... it's just random and Broly is crazy because of crying. Yeah, that makes sense.

Also, talking about fated rivals is crazy in a story that deals with the fated legendary SSJ, fated to appear once every 1000 years. Yup. And, consequently, in such a story is crazy to talk about how Broly, who basically does everything on instinct, also instinctively recognizes Goku, since obviously he just recognizes him from that time as a baby when he annoyed him and Broly went crazy bananas due to that annoyance.

[Cursed Lemon]

Yeah, he is crazy because he heard Goku cry as a baby and that's why he focuses on him. And that's also why there's all that planned and placed scenes of their parallels, including the flashback when Broly is defeated. Obviously there's no intent or meaning there... it's just random and Broly is crazy because of crying. Yeah, that makes sense.

Also, talking about fated rivals is crazy in a story that deals with the fated legendary SSJ, fated to appear once every 1000 years. Yup.

Broly is crazy because he's crazy.

He fixates on Goku because of the crying.

Or does he also feel an intense rivalry to the other saiyan we don't see sleeping peacefully to his right side?

[rereboy]

Broly is crazy because he's crazy.

Pretty good example of dumbing down the story. Don't think about the intent of the guys who made the movie in having those scenes of Goku crying in there and their placement in the movie and their possible meaning. Just think about the most superficial possible explanation for them: Broly is crazy because of crying or because he just is. Perfect. Also, don't consider the fact that Broly only goes crazy when his power kicks in, which tells us that its his power that drives him mad, not anything else, as its clear in the scene where he hurts his father's eye.

He fixates on Goku because of the crying.

Or does he also feel an intense rivalry to the other saiyan we don't see sleeping peacefully to his right side?

This continues to ignore the meaning of the scene, including the difference of their power levels, the fact that they were born in the same day, and how it all connects in terms of meaning to the rest of the movie. It dumbs down their subtle parallels into a ridiculous and illogical fixation of Broly towards someone he heard crying as a baby for no reason, while considering everything else as meaningless or random.

[Cursed Lemon]

Pretty good example of dumbing down the story. Don't think about the intent of the guys who made the movie in having those scenes of Goku crying in there and their placement in the movie and their possible meaning. Just think about the most superficial possible explanation for them: Broly is crazy because of crying or because he just is. Perfect. Also, don't consider the fact that Broly only goes crazy when his power kicks in, which tells us that its his power that drives him mad, not anything else, as its clear in the scene where he hurts his father's eye.

This continues to ignore the meaning of the scene, including the difference of their power levels, the fact that they were born in the same day, and how it all connects in terms of meaning to the rest of the movie. It dumbs down their subtle parallels into a ridiculous and illogical fixation of Broly towards someone he heard crying as a baby for no reason, while considering everything else as meaningless or random.

The theme of the scene =/= the actual mechanics of the plot.

[rereboy]

The theme of the scene =/= the actual mechanics of the plot.

There's nothing that I stated that goes agaisnt what happened in the plot. The only difference is that I see meaning in those scenes and in those parallels and you don't, choosing to believe that Broly is crazy just because or because he heard crying.

[Cursed Lemon]

There's nothing I stated that goes agaisnt what happened in the plot.

There's also nothing wrong with stating that Broly's power is what causes him to be crazy, but that would still fall under the idea that he is crazy just because of what he is.

That has nothing to do with Goku except for the interaction they had as infants.